What system produces the most vapor?

[caged]

I'm ready to get in to a big battery system. Overall, I'm happy with vapor production and flavor from Bloog's MaxxFusion cartos, but I wouldn't mind more.

My order of preference for the three factors in vaping are:

1) Vapor production. I don't want to be able to see the room I'm sitting in when I exhale.
2) Flavor.
3) Throat hit. Actually, I don't want a strong throat hit. I don't know if it's PG or what, but I really can't stand the throat hit from electronic cigs.

The only rules are no dripping (and I'm perfectly fine going 100% VG to get tons of vapor as long as I don't have to drip), the system needs to be reliable, and I don't want a funky looking mod.

I also wanted to mention I've been looking at that new Epower system (combined with GotVapes Vortex cartomizers). I really like how you can just buy a cheap battery when it dies.

 

[donnah]

I think vapor has more to do with juice than any other thing.. and that means vg. also heat.. when my ego batts are on the weak side.. they don't produce as much heat or vapor. Theres lots of ppl on here who use 100% vg but I don't like the taste of 100%vg.. I like a blend of 60% pg and 40%vg

 

[amrnation]

Its a combination of voltage Liquid and Ohm's

if you have a 3.7 battery the lower the ohms on your set up and density of the liquid is high you will get massive vapor.

right now i'm either on my 3.7v leo with leo to 510 adapter or my ego 3.2v both with 1.5 ohm attys which give massive vapor even with 100% PG however i normally at 20-40% VG mixxed with my PG just because i like it that way.

low resistance atomizers make a world of difference in getting your attys hot enough to produce more vapor.

in all honesty your set up for massive vapor and less throat hit would look good to me if you got a

3.7 riva with a 901 adapter and a 1.5ohm 901 atty. (can even pick up a drip shield from empire mods which will cut your 901's leaking issues. You wont turn back

 

[Kent C]

I'm just trying my first Bloog today - it's been a while since I've vaped a carto and this one is superior in vapor and flavor than any I've tried. That said - I'm so used to eGos - either the tanks or the mega eGo attys that the vapor production of the Bloog isn't up to that level. Still a good vape, imo. But I'll be autopsying it when it dies. The reason I stepped away from cartos was the burnt innards of almost everyone I cut open. (CE2's being the exception, of course).

As far as vapor and ejuice goes VG will produce the most and the bigger portion of VG in a mix, the more vapor.

As far as flavor goes - that can vary - most people think PG carries flavor better but there are some fellow vet Kurt and I, just for example get better flavor from VG based ejuices. I DIY mine and I think Kurt does too.

And regardless of what base you use - wattage is the biggest factor in vapor production - same wattage - VG wins.
However, too much wattage will kill flavor - so there's a balance there - I find that anything much above 8.5 Watts will start to affect my flavors - 10Watts - lots of vapor and little flavor and in some flavors - no flavor. You can use doublers to try to pump of the flavor for higher wattage but there is a point of no return.

So.... you need to know the voltage and the ohms to figure out what the best wattage is for you. Many will tell you to go to a High voltage 6 volt or greater mod, but you can get 9+ Watts with a 3.7 volt mod using a 1.5Ω atty - not recommended -1.8-2.5 is more recommended - and you can get 9 watts on a 6 volt mod by using a 4Ω atty - also bordering on 'not recommended' - 4.8-5.2Ω are closer to the recommendations for a 6 volt.

And if you're interested in an E-power kit - PM me... I was about to put it on classifieds.

 

[caged]

So with these high wattage systems (maybe I should look in to a variable volt mod?), can you effectively use carts with the atomizers? I really have no intention of dripping (unless I can find a unit that looks like a pipe where I just drip in to the opening where you used to put the tobacco in the old fashioned system).

What's the difference between high voltage with high resistance vs lower voltage with lower resistance?

 

[hairball]

ProVari and the Buzz out do any device I own.

 

[brandon555]

So with these high wattage systems (maybe I should look in to a variable volt mod?), can you effectively use carts with the atomizers? I really have no intention of dripping (unless I can find a unit that looks like a pipe where I just drip in to the opening where you used to put the tobacco in the old fashioned system).

What's the difference between high voltage with high resistance vs lower voltage with lower resistance?

Lower voltage plus LR attys makes more sense to me. But it comes down to the wattage. VoltsxVolts/resistance=wattage

A 6 volt device with 4.5 ohm atty is pretty much the same as a 3.7 volt with a 2 ohm atty.

 

[BiancaMontgomery]

I suggest something vv and Boge cartos with a high % VG eliquid at 12mg nic or less. That way you can set your voltage to the perfect "sweet spot" for the flavor, get massive vapor and little throat hit. In my personal experience, the Buzz and the ProVari rock, but are a bit heavy so be prepared for that if you get either. The only other VV I've tried has been the VV Tekk, and though it's a nice mod and light, it looks (as you said) "funky" . Best wishes on your upgrade.

 

[caged]

And if you're interested in an E-power kit - PM me... I was about to put it on classifieds.

For the price, I'd rather just buy it new, but now you've got me wondering what didn't you like about the E-power...

 

[bobalex]

The Go-go blew my mind.

Check out some of the 140 pages and see that I am not alone.:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/163146-ego-t-vs-go-go.html

 

[Kent C]

So with these high wattage systems (maybe I should look in to a variable volt mod?), can you effectively use carts with the atomizers? I really have no intention of dripping (unless I can find a unit that looks like a pipe where I just drip in to the opening where you used to put the tobacco in the old fashioned system).

What's the difference between high voltage with high resistance vs lower voltage with lower resistance?

The variable voltage mods are nice - I have one, but.. they were more important when there weren't as many different ohm'd atomizers and cartomizers available. When you only had a few attys that were nailed to a particular ohm setting - to be able to vary the volts for different wattages is a good idea. But now there are attys and cartos that scan the range of ohms from 1.5 to 5.2 and everything in between to where even if you have a fixed volt mod - you can find the wattage you want by buying a $5 atty rather than a $100 mod (in some cases).

So if you only have the Bloog now and no mods - variable should be a choice but if there are other fixed volt mods that fits other considerations you have - size, feel, looks, etc. know that you can always get the desired wattage with attys or cartos.

As for the difference between HV+HR and LV+LR - you can blow out attys in each. Some will say that the lower resistance attys are more susceptible to blowing out but I've seen no evidence of that. I've blown out both types Many times the difference in resistance isn't the size of the wire but the number or wraps the same size wire makes around the wicking. So it's more a thing of two much heat in both cases that blows out atomizers/cartomizers. And you get that with wattage where voltage is only one part of the equation.

 

[Kent C]

For the price, I'd rather just buy it new, but now you've got me wondering what didn't you like about the E-power...

I used it once - if that helps... PM me and I'll go into the details why it wasn't right for me and may be what you're looking for.

 

[Kent C]

The Go-go blew my mind.

Check out some of the 140 pages and see that I am not alone.:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/163146-ego-t-vs-go-go.html

greyrat had 10 posts when he started that thread. Now he's up to 112!

 

[SMKNOMOR]

Lower voltage plus LR attys makes more sense to me. But it comes down to the wattage. VoltsxVolts/resistance=wattage

A 6 volt device with 4.5 ohm atty is pretty much the same as a 3.7 volt with a 2 ohm atty.

I agree. I run a 2 oHm Boge cartomizer on my Bloog MF and The vapor ( not that I have any complaints about the Bloog cartos) is double. that with a mostly VG mix should be a great inexpensive solution.

 

[caged]

I agree. I run a 2 oHm Boge cartomizer on my Bloog MF and The vapor ( not that I have any complaints about the Bloog cartos) is double. that with a mostly VG mix should be a great inexpensive solution.

Just so we're clear, you tried the Bloog MaxxFusion cartos, not the regular Fusion cartos, correct?

 

[SMKNOMOR]

Just so we're clear, you tried the Bloog MaxxFusion cartos, not the regular Fusion cartos, correct?

Correct. I have never tied the reg bloog cartos.Just the max fusion.I think they are the best "stock" cartos I've tried but you can Upgrade.

 

[BuzzKill]

FYI higher voltage and Higher resistance means LOWER current draw hence longer battery charge time !

It is easier and much more user friendly to vary the voltage to tune to the atomizer rather than change resistance of the atomizer to match the voltage .

 

[caged]

Correct. I have never tied the reg bloog cartos.Just the max fusion.I think they are the best "stock" cartos I've tried but you can Upgrade.

So you have to tinker with the Boge cartos to get them to perform? Just trying to get my head wrapped around the details....

 

[SMKNOMOR]

So you have to tinker with the Boge cartos to get them to perform? Just trying to get my head wrapped around the details....

Tinker? Im not sure what you mean.They come blank In most cases if thats what you mean.you have to fill them from a bottle of e juice(can be found at most of the same places that sell boge 2 oHm cartos).Other than that just screw it on like any other cartomizer.

BuzzkKill Is right about there being more of a draw on the battery.The battery will deplete slightly quicker. The lower resistance means more watts( energy traveling faster) thats what gives you more vapor."user friendly"However is a relative term in this case so you will have to weigh out the Cost/benefit ratio for yourself depending on How many batteries you go through in a day or if you have a PCC to charge on the go.(I use two batteries per carto this metod, that's a moderate vaping day for me when I use 808's)If it turns out you wish you had more batt life at least you only spent $20 or so for the cartos and liquid.

My suggestion is from the spending less and getting more out of what you have point of view.You have Options though.

 

[caged]

Tinker? Im not sure what you mean.They come blank In most cases if thats what you mean.you have to fill them from a bottle of e juice(can be found at most of the same places that sell boge 2 oHm cartos).Other than that just screw it on like any other cartomizer.

Buzz kill Is right about there being more of a draw on the battery. The lower resistance means more watts( energy traveling faster) thats what gives you more vapor."user friendly" is a relative term in this case so you will have to weigh out the Cost/benefit ratio for your self depending on How many batteries you go through in a day or I you have a PCC to charge on the go.

My suggestion is from the spending less and getting more out of what you have point of view.You have Options

When you say the best "stock" cartos, are you talking about the Bloog or the Boge? If you were talking about Bloog cartos, that would indicate a little modding was needed to make the Boge perform since you said it produces more vapor.....