What we need is a good artist!

[Boston George]

This is kinda off the wall but...

Basically, I am here to argue that e-smoking is a form of self-expression. It's a personal choice and a reflection of ones identity. It shows yet another integration of technology in our day to day lives.

Unlike traditional cigarettes the only person who is affected by my choice to e-smoke is me. My right to express myself through e-smoking is consistent with the rights of others to enjoy a smoke free environment.

So long as marketers of e-cigarettes do not use deceptive marketing practices. E-cigarettes should be allowed. As long as the user is aware they use an e-cig at their own risk.

What we need is the creation of e-cig art: photographs, live installations etc. If you have any friends who are professional artists especially if they smoke, show them your e-cig and suggest it could be a new media.

Its not a medical device, its a paint brush.

 

[North Shore]

It's my birthday and all I ask is that you sign this petition I found through alien Vision and pass it along.

E-Cigarettes Save Lives - A Petition for Policy Change

 

[Thulium]

This is kinda off the wall but...

Basically, I am here to argue that e-smoking is a form of self-expression. It's a personal choice and a reflection of ones identity. It shows yet another integration of technology in our day to day lives.

Unlike traditional cigarettes the only person who is affected by my choice to e-smoke is me. My right to express myself through e-smoking is consistent with the rights of others to enjoy a smoke free environment.

So long as marketers of e-cigarettes do not use deceptive marketing practices. E-cigarettes should be allowed. As long as the user is aware they use an e-cig at their own risk.

What we need is the creation of e-cig art: photographs, live installations etc. If you have any friends who are professional artists especially if they smoke, show them your e-cig and suggest it could be a new media.

Its not a medical device, its a paint brush.

You bring up an interesting point, but I am afraid that 1st Amendment Freedom of Expression would not extend to the permission of "media" that is otherwise prohibited. A dose of "acid" that is in the form of an artistic smiley face or other "artwork" is still not legal, after all.

Your point could possibly be given as a reason (among many) for the continued sale and use of personal vaporizers that look like cigarettes that do not contain nicotine as a form of artistic expression since, barring nicotine or other tobacco products, all the components are otherwise legal...but if you want nicotine in your e-cigarette, it will likely have to be from a source that is either classified as a "tobacco product", a pharmaceutical drug, or acquired from an unregulated "grey" market ("personal use" provisions, etc.)

 

[Unperson]

You bring up an interesting point, but I am afraid that 1st Amendment Freedom of Expression would not extend to the permission of "media" that is otherwise prohibited. A dose of "acid" that is in the form of an artistic smiley face or other "artwork" is still not legal, after all.

Your point could possibly be given as a reason (among many) for the continued sale and use of personal vaporizers that look like cigarettes that do not contain nicotine as a form of artistic expression since, barring nicotine or other tobacco products, all the components are otherwise legal...but if you want nicotine in your e-cigarette, it will likely have to be from a source that is either classified as a "tobacco product", a pharmaceutical drug, or acquired from an unregulated "grey" market ("personal use" provisions, etc.)

I think you need to gain a better understanding of the word art. Artists have an incredibly wide berth when it comes to the freedom to express thoughts and opinions through various mediums.

How the created material is used.. ..well, that's a different can o' worms.

 

[Thulium]

I think you need to gain a better understanding of the word art. Artists have an incredibly wide berth when it comes to the freedom to express thoughts and opinions through various mediums.

I'm reasonably certain I have a sufficient understanding of the word. I imagine that you are referring to exceptions that have been made for specific artistic renderings...and while it may be true that otherwise illegal items have been included in a rendering, that liberty does nothing to protect the availability of products that have been legally prohibited. For example, no matter how many artists have used paint containing lead or asbestos, that doesn't mean that art supply stores can sell it.

Your "freedom of expression" can be used as a legal defense for your continued use of the PV's you already own, but it doesn't hold water for allowing the importation or sale of new products.

 

[Bobnoxious]

I have it covered...

 

[Janetda]

No Bob, I'm seeing some side-stream action going on there.

 

[Bobnoxious]

I know. That was just knee-jerk art.

 

[Unperson]

I'm reasonably certain I have a sufficient understanding of the word. I imagine that you are referring to exceptions that have been made for specific artistic renderings...and while it may be true that otherwise illegal items have been included in a rendering, that liberty does nothing to protect the availability of products that have been legally prohibited. For example, no matter how many artists have used paint containing lead or asbestos, that doesn't mean that art supply stores can sell it.

Your "freedom of expression" can be used as a legal defense for your continued use of the PV's you already own, but it doesn't hold water for allowing the importation or sale of new products.

You still miss my point, but eh. I'm too tired right now to dance this number.

 

[AngelVapor]

Unperson- your e-cigarette counter, that is a piece of art. It relects my pain and struggle in the past giving up the beast if you will. Without the E-cigarette I am afraid that will be me again. I have finally broke free.
I know it is sort of off topic, but your counter moved me. Thanks. And congratulations on being tobacco free for almost 4 months!

 

[kristin]

I'm not sure thad was correctly interpreting what the OP meant - to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what he means, lol!

But I think what Thad meant was, if artists decide to use pot in their artwork, it won't make pot protected or legal under the First Amendment.

But I don't think the OP meant that ecigs would be protected because they would be "art." Maybe I'm wrong....

 

[Thulium]

I'm not sure thad was correctly interpreting what the OP meant - to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what he means, lol!

But I think what Thad meant was, if artists decide to use pot in their artwork, it won't make pot protected or legal under the First Amendment.

But I don't think the OP meant that ecigs would be protected because they would be "art." Maybe I'm wrong....

I'm not entirely sure what he had in mind, but it sounded like he meant that as an artist his PV is his brush and the vapor is his canvas....or perhaps he meant that a PV could be used in some other artistic form.

My point is that it doesn't matter because the freedom of expression doesn't do much to make things that would otherwise be illegal into things that are legal.

Having the hardware itself declared as a work of art is unnecessary unless and until vaporizers are banned outright...which isn't going to happen. Granted, if the FDA tried to ban vaporizers just because they LOOK like a controlled substance, it can and will be argued that it is an infringement on the 1st Amendment. That doesn't do anything to protect the availability of smoke-free tobacco alternatives--just the atomizers that aren't in serious danger anyway.

 

[Unperson]

Unperson- your e-cigarette counter, that is a piece of art. It relects my pain and struggle in the past giving up the beast if you will. Without the E-cigarette I am afraid that will be me again. I have finally broke free.
I know it is sort of off topic, but your counter moved me. Thanks. And congratulations on being tobacco free for almost 4 months!

Thank you for the kind words. I think we all feel the way you do. For the first time, many of us can see the sun through the clouds of tar and carbon monoxide and now the people that want to profit from our pain are trying to darken our horizons and rain on our parade.

I'm happy for you too. May we all continue to embrace e-cigs as a true blessing.

 

[$hua]

I am a graphic artist, i primarily do "production art" for screen printing... typically my designs are very limited to either exact customer requests and/or some customers direction. I also dabble in web design, i prefer to design in flash for this, but am capable of html, java script and php programming. Web development is not my primary interest, but its nice to have a hand in multiple cookie jars...

That being said, If you got something in mind, id be glad to lend a hand. Id even be willing to consider a "will work for vapes" situation. Just send a PM as threads tend to get lost to me...

Programs Proficiency: Photoshop, Corel Draw X3, Illustrator CS3, Flash CS3... yea most all the CS3 family programs... minus Indesign ( back surgery during that quarter)

 

[feebee]

Hmmm, food for thought!

...& my art studio no longer stinks

 

[Vocalek]

Unperson: What's the translation of the Latin at the bottom right of your counter?

 

[Vocalek]

Take a look at this thread, and start thinking in terms of a "Truth" web-site...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/campaigning-discussions/95043-get-their-attention.html

What artwork would be a real grabber on the landing page?

 

[Unperson]

Unperson: What's the translation of the Latin at the bottom right of your counter?

I'm afraid it's not very interesting. Basically translates to:

"In vapor I trust"