What will smoking be like in 5 years? 10?

[Racehorse]

Until I started vaping in July of 2012, I was the ONLY smoker I knew.

No one in my circle of friends or even my acquaintances. For as long as I can remember.

Only one person in my entire extended (related) family, besides myself, smoked in 2012.

 

[Rossum]

My prediction: People will still be smoking 5, 10, and even 20 years from now, particularly younger people, before they start feeling the long-term negative side effects, and while they're still feeling invincible/immortal.

Has anyone ever done an age poll on this forum? My guess is the average age of the beginning vaper is 40 or higher..

 

[serenity21899]

My prediction: People will still be smoking 5, 10, and even 20 years from now, particularly younger people, before they start feeling the long-term negative side effects, and while they're still feeling invincible/immortal.

Has anyone ever done an age poll on this forum? My guess is the average age of the beginning vaper is 40 or higher..

The vape shops I frequent have customers of all ages (18+), so I would have to disagree a bit with you.

 

[Strangebrew]

The health insurance folks have already started in on tobacco users. The cost of a policy will be much greater than the tobacco cost.

 

[edyle]

I adore vaping, I was hooked when I took my first vape from a green smoke ecig almost 3 years ago. Then again I was a smoker, a long time smoker and someone who watched family members die from cigs, so I was motivated to stop.
I know there are still millions of smokers so there will be business for ecig vendors for at least 5 more years for sure, but what about in 10 years? Where will the new business come from? At some point, won't people start getting nicotine from vaping as their first experience?

In the years to come will vaping be allowed to advertise for new business? It seems unlikely that big tobacco would jump into the ring and spend millions to buy ecig companies to only be out of business in 10 years? My husband watches stocks and told me the other day that every big tobacco company now owns vaping business also. So I look for things to change in the coming years. No telling what all that money will buy, no matter what they do tho, I won't trust them that's for sure.

Will people still smoke cigs in 10 years? Will they still be available at every store and gas station, or will it all be vaping? Or will we all be in vaping prohibition, and forced under ground?

The possibilities endless I suppose. But I guess my big question is what will happen to vaping when there are no more smokers?

I guess that's like what will happen to horseback riding when the car was invented.


oo00oo better yet:
Question: what happens to the postal service now that electronic mail has been invented?
Answer: we esend money to china, and china sends our ecigs via the postal service!

 

[SissySpike]

The health insurance folks have already started in on tobacco users. The cost of a policy will be much greater than the tobacco cost.

Thank you Washington for selling out to yet another corporate industry to further screw us! Isnt life in America grand! I suppose next they will force everyone to buy insurance O wait thats already happening.

 

[SissySpike]

I guess that's like what will happen to horseback riding when the car was invented.


oo00oo better yet:
Question: what happens to the postal service now that electronic mail has been invented?
Answer: we esend money to china, and china sends our ecigs via the postal service!

Some of us try to avoid doing that.

 

[Jman8]

My prediction: People will still be smoking 5, 10, and even 20 years from now, particularly younger people, before they start feeling the long-term negative side effects, and while they're still feeling invincible/immortal.

Has anyone ever done an age poll on this forum? My guess is the average age of the beginning vaper is 40 or higher..

Poll: The Vaping Age

Perhaps surprisingly, of the 700+ respondents, the highest percentage age group is 18 to 25.

 

[short_guy]

Don't forget that BT is a global business, not just American. They've seen the writing on the wall for years now, and for the past 10 - 20 years, their primary expansion efforts have been targeted at developing countries and the third world. I'm always AMAZED when traveling overseas just how "in-your-face" tobacco use and advertising are. The US dollars may be drying up, but the money is still coming in strong from elsewhere.

 

[AegisPrime]

This tallies up with something a BT analyst was commenting on recently - he was underplaying the impact that electronic cigarettes had played on cessation rates when the truth is, whilst the global sales are still shrinking as people quit and/or vape, increased sales in third world countries are making up some of the shortfall. Even with those gains though, they're still selling less coffin nails than they used to.

 

[Lethalp]

My my, I am grateful to see so many replies! See what I mean? There are so many ways it can go, it's hard to imagine. Scary even
Did any of u watch the movie about Bonnie and Clyde? One of the things I found interesting about the show was that there were people driving cars and riding horses. I bet that was a strange time for people. I know it was the depression and the story was about outlaws, but how strange would it be to have your only means of transportation be from horse and buggy go to some motorized contraption?
You can easily see people vaping and smoking today, course I don't think anyone has ever been looked at as strange for riding a horse, lol. Ok maybe that's going a little far out there, I guess it would be the same as going from cord phones to cordless. Or from big tv boxes to plasma, or from records to...to....well, I am not even sure, it's strange to me that u can buy a song but u don't ever actually have it.

Ok I am off track, the facts are that BT is in it, and we have grown enough that they consider us a threat. What they will do with their companies can be debated till the cows come home. Look at it this way, there are new caffeine drinkers being born right now. But how will they push nicotine if there are no new smokers? Or do u believe with everything we know about smoking and all the vaping gear that's available that people will still choose to smoke instead of vape? Are we going to raise a generation of non smoking nicotine addicts?

 

[Jarbs]

Don't forget that BT is a global business, not just American. They've seen the writing on the wall for years now, and for the past 10 - 20 years, their primary expansion efforts have been targeted at developing countries and the third world. I'm always AMAZED when traveling overseas just how "in-your-face" tobacco use and advertising are. The US dollars may be drying up, but the money is still coming in strong from elsewhere.

Tobaccoland | VICE United States

check out this Vice piece on kids smoking in Indonesia and their other wacky ideas about cigarettes there.

 

[rico942]

how strange would it be to have your only means of transportation be from horse and buggy go to some motorized contraption?

My Dad, who was born in 1902, had an expression I still remember, "carrying a shovel" ...

It came from his days as a Teamster in the 1920s, when many trucking companies were still converting from horse-drawn wagons to deisel trucks ...

The older drivers who had learned on teams of horses would leave their house in the morning, kiss the wife in the doorway, and grab a "poop scoop" that they kept beside the door, to clean up after the team at each stop ...

Dad said that for years after these guys had been driving a truck with an engine, they would still continue to "carry a shovel", it was a comfortable habit, even though it no longer served any purpose ...

Human nature sure is entertaining !

 

[Jman8]

Tobaccoland | VICE United States

check out this Vice piece on kids smoking in Indonesia and their other wacky ideas about cigarettes there.

If SHS myths are true, I expect Indonesians to be extinct in 50 years or less.

 

[navigator2011]

My Dad, who was born in 1902, had an expression I still remember, "carrying a shovel" ...

It came from his days as a Teamster in the 1920s, when many trucking companies were still converting from horse-drawn wagons to deisel trucks ...

The older drivers who had learned on teams of horses would leave their house in the morning, kiss the wife in the doorway, and grab a "poop scoop" that they kept beside the door, to clean up after the team at each stop ...

Dad said that for years after these guys had been driving a truck with an engine, they would still continue to "carry a shovel", it was a comfortable habit, even though it no longer served any purpose ...

Human nature sure is entertaining !

I just love historic stories like this!!! Thanks for posting this.

I see on these forum a general sentiment that BT wants to crush vaping, or get the government to tax vaping into near nonexistence. But I don't see how that actually helps BT in any way. Sure, if BT had discovered the ecig secretly, it would make sense for them to cover it up to protect sales of regular cigarettes, but that time has passed. Everybody around knows about ecigs now, so the cat is out of the bag. So the only logical recourse is to throw the ole hat in the ring.

I can see how BT stands to profit big time on vaping, while still raking it in on regular cigarettes, too. There is plenty of incentive for BT to protect the vaping industry just as it is. Government taxes, health campaignes, smoking bans, and demonization of smokers doesn't help BT--all that does is inhibit customers using their products, motivate current customers to stop using their products, and then reduce sales. For a long time, BT probably didn't know what else to do to stop this trend, other than grease the right palms in government. But what if there was a 'second net' to catch all those smokers that are quitting left and right? What if they could make a product that is widely popular, could be used anywhere, avoids government sin taxes, isn't deadly, and appeals to all those smokers wanting to quit regular cigarettes? I think it would totally benefit BT to have everyone using their vape gear, vaping everywhere they cannot smoke, and no longer worried about the ill health effects, etc. Potentially, they could make way more money while no longer needing government officials like they do today. So why would they want to kill the vaping industry when they stand to make a huge profit?

If you were a gold miner whose mine was drying out, and you knew your neighbor had made a rich discovery, wouldn't it make more sense to acquire his land rather than destroy it?

Just some thoughts, anyways.

 

[SissySpike]

Honestly BT is not such a threat right now. Companys making disposables like the N Joy King are the ones pushing for regulation the hardest. They dont want you to have cool mods and cheap juice they want you to buy their 7$ disposable.

Know your enemy's is always a good thing some of us might be contributing to those company's helping them do their back stabbing rotten deeds!

 

[kathi17]

I just love historic stories like this!!! Thanks for posting this.

I see on these forum a general sentiment that BT wants to crush vaping, or get the government to tax vaping into near nonexistence. But I don't see how that actually helps BT in any way. Sure, if BT had discovered the ecig secretly, it would make sense for them to cover it up to protect sales of regular cigarettes, but that time has passed. Everybody around knows about ecigs now, so the cat is out of the bag. So the only logical recourse is to throw the ole hat in the ring.

I can see how BT stands to profit big time on vaping, while still raking it in on regular cigarettes, too. There is plenty of incentive for BT to protect the vaping industry just as it is. Government taxes, health campaignes, smoking bans, and demonization of smokers doesn't help BT--all that does is inhibit customers using their products, motivate current customers to stop using their products, and then reduce sales. For a long time, BT probably didn't know what else to do to stop this trend, other than grease the right palms in government. But what if there was a 'second net' to catch all those smokers that are quitting left and right? What if they could make a product that is widely popular, could be used anywhere, avoids government sin taxes, isn't deadly, and appeals to all those smokers wanting to quit regular cigarettes? I think it would totally benefit BT to have everyone using their vape gear, vaping everywhere they cannot smoke, and no longer worried about the ill health effects, etc. Potentially, they could make way more money while no longer needing government officials like they do today. So why would they want to kill the vaping industry when they stand to make a huge profit?

If you were a gold miner whose mine was drying out, and you knew your neighbor had made a rich discovery, wouldn't it make more sense to acquire his land rather than destroy it?

Just some thoughts, anyways.

That's how I see it too. In my mind, I see BPs stand more to lose than BT. BPs don't want to lose all the money they make on useless quit smoking drugs and devices, and all the money they will continue to make developing more useless things.

I doubt the states want to lose their tobacco money either. Then they would have to raise taxes to make up for it, and that would be very unpopular.

When the national smoke out day was first started, it was on April 1. I wonder who decided to change it to November, just before the holidays and all the parties take place, and just as the weather turns nasty in much of the country. It's always easier to smoke less when you are doing active things outdoors, rather than being inside in front of the TV set. I've always thought that moving it to November was designed to keep people from quitting.

 

[Caridwen]

If we can all convert just two smokers to vaping, and they did the same....

 

[kathi17]

I'm listening to those @ssholes on NPR right now. Where I live in Maine, we have some of the most radical anti smoking Nazis in the world.

Here, as in many other states, those same people are pushing hard to legalize pot. I think they are trying to find another way to make more money in case too many people quit. A few minutes ago, they had another pro pot thing on the radio.

I find it very weird that they consider PVs lead to smoking and are going to be popular with kids, but that pot won't lead to cigarettes or harder drugs, and don't mention the damage pot smoking will do to your health. They also don't mention driving under the influence.

Maybe all cigarette smokers will be pot smokers in 5 or 10 years.

 

[edyle]

My my, I am grateful to see so many replies! See what I mean? There are so many ways it can go, it's hard to imagine. Scary even
Did any of u watch the movie about Bonnie and Clyde? One of the things I found interesting about the show was that there were people driving cars and riding horses. I bet that was a strange time for people. I know it was the depression and the story was about outlaws, but how strange would it be to have your only means of transportation be from horse and buggy go to some motorized contraption?
You can easily see people vaping and smoking today, course I don't think anyone has ever been looked at as strange for riding a horse, lol. Ok maybe that's going a little far out there, I guess it would be the same as going from cord phones to cordless. Or from big tv boxes to plasma, or from records to...to....well, I am not even sure, it's strange to me that u can buy a song but u don't ever actually have it.

Ok I am off track, the facts are that BT is in it, and we have grown enough that they consider us a threat. What they will do with their companies can be debated till the cows come home. Look at it this way, there are new caffeine drinkers being born right now. But how will they push nicotine if there are no new smokers? Or do u believe with everything we know about smoking and all the vaping gear that's available that people will still choose to smoke instead of vape? Are we going to raise a generation of non smoking nicotine addicts?

lol.

Maybe they should spend some money lobbying the goverment to legalise pot! Then they could sell that instead.....


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