What will the US do?

[Somoney]

Atomized medications are already in use if I'm not mistaken. I have seen elderly folks breathing through vapor devices in hospitals. I have no idea what was in the vapor though.

Right now, the worry is that nicotine will be considered a drug needing regulation.

As is mine, hopefully the tobacco industry will keep that from happening, as it's one more step to placing cigarettes behind the pharmacy counter for prescription only the rich and insured can afford. Sorry for my alarmist nature, It just appears to me that ecigs are being leveraged to heavly as a cessation device. If the fda bans nicotine from being sold, ecigs will dissaper.

The Thanks Tb.

 

[edwink]

The largest E-Cig manufacturer Ruyan is going to launch its telesales campaign in US this monday, in 13 selected markets.

The clip can be viewed on the nathanandjamesgroup.com website.

(I can't post URL on the forum yet, darn...)

It will be interesting to see how successful they will be, and how the authorities react.

 

[Kate]

http://www.nathanandjamesgroup.com/

I found this article too - http://www.amic.com/Prnews/Prnews.asp?article=./Releases/200810091441PR_NEWS_USPR_____AQTH539.xml

"These products, varieties of replacement cartridges and their accessories are designed, manufactured and sold for the cigarette alternative/smoking substitution market."

"... Ruyan America is the only Company providing E-cigarettes, E-cigars, E-pipes, their cartridges and accessories to distributors and retailers in concert with safety test results, product liability insurance, detailed ingredient lists, documentation of proprietary intellectual property and the support of a $4 million Direct Response Television campaign."

 

[Tumbleweed4829]

Awesome infomercial! I'd be interested but once the price came up it might have deterred me from buying it. It would be interesting to see how successful it is.

 

[Kate]

Yeah, I got a bit bored watching it, I have to admit. Videos about esmoking always last too long for me, I like them short and sweet like Knutselpeter's tips videos.

I noticed one thing on the Ruyan advert, they said it was safe. Presumably they think they have research results to back up that claim because they are usually careful about making claims.

 

[Tumbleweed4829]

Well you know how infomercials are; they just repeat everything over and over and over incase someone turns to that channel in the middle. hehehe But aside from that it was a good tactic. There are so many people out there that really don't care if it is approved by the FDA. Many people take anyone's word that the product is safe and will buy it just because the company says it is. Or maybe it is good enough that the e-cigs don't have 4000 carcinogens in them. Or maybe us smokers are getting desperate to just get off the cigarettes that we will try anything even without knowing for sure that it is 100% safe.

 

[TropicalBob]

Well, the fan will be hit when this airs.

But it's nicely worded, very safe as far as claims are concerned. It's the first time I've seen "cigarette substitute" used. That's a good way to describe e-cigarettes. It's a pity viewers won't see e-cigars and e-pipes.

The 30-day FREE trial is impressive, but the prices are outrageous. $4.99 per cartridge! That's highway robbery. Also, this is too repetitive, with the same scenes and wording bombarding viewers. Still, this is bound to drive more newbies to e-smoking, where they'll opt for the cheapest mini they can find that "looks like a real cigarette," which, they will note in this infomercial, the Ruyan doesn't.

Just wait 'til Sen. Henry Waxman sees this ...

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

God awful 30 minute commercial. I'm sorry, "infomercial."

 

[Kimmiegrif]

It was only a matter of time...now what are the socialistic sides of our govt gonna do? It is gonna be interesting how long it airs before it is taken off by the nicorette companies get nervous. Very interesting. Maybe it will pass off as another gadget. I hate those commercials. I couldn't make it through the first minute. paid programing at it's finest! what areas is it gonna be aired?

 

[Kate]

This might be of interest - BioMed Central | Abstract | Permissive nicotine regulation as a complement to traditional tobacco control

"Summary

Cigarettes, or an equally addictive alternative, will be a permanent and common product in most societies. Regulations restricting only the safest addictive nicotine products are hard to justify. Addictive nicotine compliments other tobacco control strategies. Modern tobacco control policies are applicable to addictive nicotine. Controlled trials and test market studies are urgently needed to evaluate addictive nicotine as an alternative to smoking. Meanwhile, legislators should preserve the Food and Drug Administration's option to permit non-prescription sales of addictive nicotine."

 

[TropicalBob]

Cool. Dr. Walton Summer was one of the doctors I exchanged email with while working on an article last January. There are a few "good guys" out there, but they risk the wrath of their peers in supporting any form of nicotine dependence or harm reduction strategy. The mood is overwhelmingly "anti", even among doctors and researchers. I was pleased that not EVERYONE says "quit or die."

 

[TropicalBob]

I got inspired to find and reread the article I did (never found a buyer for it!). Here's the part about your guy:

In 2003, just prior to invention of the electronic cigarette by Hon Lin in China, Dr. Walton Sumner II of Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis wrote his thoughts on nicotine addiction's future.

"There seems to be no effective way to convince many smokers to quit," wrote Sumner. "If one accepts that cigarette smoking will under no circumstances disappear, then one becomes committed to considering ways to make the habit safer." One way, he suggested, would be to switch smokers to inhalers that deliver doses of clean nicotine.

He began studying inhalers after his father died of lung cancer and he saw other nicotine-replacement therapies fail to get smokers off cigarettes. Among the relapse reasons is the lack of an immediate "kick" a smoker gets by inhaling tobacco smoke. Maybe, Sumner reasoned, nicotine inhalers could satisfy the nicotine craving in a smoker who wanted to quit. Maybe inhalers could do it quickly, in a way gum and patches cannot.

Of this much Sumner is sure: Prohibition of tobacco won't work.

"Cigarettes, or an equally addictive alternative, will be a permanent and common product in most societies," he says. All attempts throughout history to prohibit tobacco or its use have failed.

"Historically, smokers accept personal and public hazards that make the dangers we associate with tobacco look quaint," Sumner wrote. "After Christopher Columbus failed to control his crew's tobacco use, monarchs from England to China tried to contain the weed by execution, disfigurement, exile, and onerous taxation. Tobacco use spread anyway."

A better course, he says today, is to make tobacco smoke unattractive by every measure, but using nicotine for recreational or medical purposes both legal and acceptable.

Doing that, he says, will save lives and public health costs.

Article moved on the Dr. Brad Radu ...

 

[CaptainKauai]

The largest E-Cig manufacturer Ruyan is going to launch its telesales campaign in US this monday, in 13 selected markets.

It looks like they are selling a basic starter kit w/ 20 carts for 199.99 dollars. Double the price you'll find online.

 

[Kimmiegrif]

I witnessed a very sad experience of nic addiction many years ago when a friend's mom was dying of cancer and absolutely refused to stop smoking her pal mal unfilters. did that sop me from smoking? you guess. so, that addiction is very heavy and if these new gadgets pose less a threat to our health, I hope no one bans it. cuz if they do we will illegibly buy them or go back to those nasty burning fags.

 

[leerm8680]

I doubt that the e-cig will be banned. I do fear the day when the cartridges and juices are subject to "sin tax". It's so easy for the government to say "just tax the smoker".

 

[Denni]

It looks like they are selling a basic starter kit w/ 20 carts for 199.99 dollars. Double the price you'll find online.

That's fair enough though. Somebody's gotta pay for the ads and safety testing. Plus Ryuan is a luxury brand which are always overpriced but sell to rich people who don't care.

This can only work to our benefit.

But I shudder at the thought of taxes. So far, e-smoking hasn't saved me any money. If carts are taxed like cigarettes, I've gotta learn to extract nicotine from potatoes and do home-brewing