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What would you do if HC finds ways to completely restrict us?

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Motivaper

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As it is, nicotine isn't allowed here, methods of online payment are becoming extinct or extremely limited, opposing agencies, groups, and individuals are trying to scare suppliers out of business and/or make it terribly difficult to conduct business, and not everyone lives as near the states as we in Vancouver do!

I'm referring simply to having "access" cause we know supplies will always be "available" somewhere - got a back up plan if ever it's needed?:vapor:
 

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Completely restrict us?...how?, make it "really" against the law like other things I hope not cause that stuff is impossible to get...<<big wack of sarcasm >>

Nic juice is way to "boutique" in the grand schema of things, it may be a small blip on HC's and CRA's radar screen but that's about it...cracking down, restricting and regulating costs big money. The reality is, taking down an E-juice site just doesn't have that 6 o'clock news sound byte sex appealnice
 
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Here's something to consider if it comes down to it: The Supreme Court's decision about Insite.

Let me start by saying that I don't approve of illicit drug use, not do I agree with this decision in this particular case, but I see an opportunity in it at the same time.

From Macleans: ” First, the Court dismisses the federal government’s argument that because it retains the constitutional power to criminalize drug use this somehow means the province cannot open Insite. The judgment notes that the exemption was not necessary for B.C. to have the power to open the site; rather, it was needed so individuals would be able to use the site. This is an important distinction, in that the Court reaffirms the provinces’ capacity to pursue health initiatives under their own constitutional authority.

Second, the judges flatly rejected the absurd argument that the risks affiliated with drug use are the result of an individual’s “choice” to abuse illegal and dangerous substances. The Court’s position reflects every reasonable reading of the available evidence. As Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin writes, “addiction is an illness, characterized by a loss of control over the need to consume the substance to which the addiction relates.”

Finally, the Court was particularly candid in its determination that the decision not to give Insite another exemption was “arbitrary.” McLachlin writes that “the effect of denying the services of Insite to the population it serves is grossly disproportionate to any benefit that Canada might derive from presenting a uniform stance on the possession of narcotics.” For a Court that often applies tremendous caution and tentative wording to its judgments this is no small rebuke to the government’s ill-regard for the available evidence.”

Does anyone else here see how this decision could be used as a precedent if a provincial government were to allow the use of ecigs? Pretend that your provincial government just announced that they were recommending and allowing ecigs, then read that decision again and see how it fits.

Oh, and in answer to the original question in this thread... I think I'll just say "no comment" and leave it at that. Feel free to take that however you like.
 
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I personally have been saying this for awhile. There is one easy step that HC could do to completely halt online transactions in Canada and would take them all of an afternoon to accomplish (not mentioning it here for obvious reasons) anyway the point is that if we do not switch to local sellers than this is a true problem.

The problem is that every new seller thinks they need a website, this simply isnt true, I am sure most of you know we do alot of wholesale and the top 3 sellers we have do not have websites. And one is not even in a major area, look at your corner store, they sell how many packs of smokes every day? There is a local market no matter how small of a town your in, and the truth is that word of mouth catches vaping on far quicker than the net, the reason is most smokers are not on ecf or on youtube watching vaping videos because they have either never heard of it, or they were exposed to vaping by people selling those cheap kits.

Canada now has wholesale hardware providers, juice providers, and just about everything you need, you do not need to import a thing and your prices are just about the same as importing. This means no customs hassles, and no down time. But if we do not start to get a good network of sellers than a ready source for ecigs might not always be here.

Don't think a local supplier system works? Well more people smoke than vape and I havent seen many websites to buy Hmmm... I may have a new website opening lol (just a joke)

Just my 2 cents.
 
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I personally have been saying this for awhile. There is one easy step that HC could do to completely halt online transactions in Canada and would take them all of an afternoon to accomplish (not mentioning it here for obvious reasons) anyway the point is that if we do not switch to local sellers than this is a true problem.

The problem is that every new seller thinks they need a website, this simply isnt true, I am sure most of you know we do alot of wholesale and the top 3 sellers we have do not have websites. And one is not even in a major area, look at your corner store, they sell how many packs of smokes every day? There is a local market no matter how small of a town your in, and the truth is that word of mouth catches vaping on far quicker than the net, the reason is most smokers are not on ecf or on youtube watching vaping videos because they have either never heard of it, or they were exposed to vaping by people selling those cheap kits.

Canada now has wholesale hardware providers, juice providers, and just about everything you need, you do not need to import a thing and your prices are just about the same as importing. This means no customs hassles, and no down time. But if we do not start to get a good network of sellers than a ready source for ecigs might not always be here.

Don't think a local supplier system works? Well more people smoke . Hmmm... I may have a new website opening lol (just a joke)

Just my 2 cents.

Hey Jimi! We gotta chat!
 
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Okay I'm finally going to throw in a couple of things here. But my personal plans remain just that.


I personally have been saying this for awhile. There is one easy step that HC could do to completely halt online transactions in Canada and would take them all of an afternoon to accomplish (not mentioning it here for obvious reasons) anyway the point is that if we do not switch to local sellers than this is a true problem.

I agree with somethings you say there Jimilives buying local is great. But what if they do not offer what you are looking for? Then you are forced to go elsewhere.

Now elsewhere can still be within Canada, through a different vendor. But the problem with this is the shipping. Some times the shipping is cost is just not worth it, especially if its just 1 item (a battery or a pack of cartos/attys, etc....).
That leaves us (the consumer) looking elsewhere for our goods. So naturally we look south of the boarder for these goods. We then find said product and we look at the shipping rates and find that its still slightly cheaper than ordering local/Canadian.

Now I know that my statements are also bring up other issues like exchange rate and delivery times and possibly other things. But to me these are things I can deal with if I know I am going to be saving xx.xx on an order. Especially if its a small order (larger orders may differ).

As for the pros of buying local. Well I sure would love to be able to drive 5-15 minutes to said mall in my area and pick up juice/hardware. Fuzz if it was that easy then I think I would get a part time job there just because this is something that I enjoy and feel has saved my life.

The problem is that every new seller thinks they need a website, this simply isnt true, I am sure most of you know we do alot of wholesale and the top 3 sellers we have do not have websites. And one is not even in a major area, look at your corner store, they sell how many packs of smokes every day? There is a local market no matter how small of a town your in, and the truth is that word of mouth catches vaping on far quicker than the net, the reason is most smokers are not on ecf or on youtube watching vaping videos because they have either never heard of it, or they were exposed to vaping by people selling those cheap kits.

Agreed that most people think that they need a website. BUT would they need this if they were able to setup a shop at their local mall? No, oh but wait they can't, unless they want to go 0-nic or "be sneaky" about it.

Also note that Health Canada is currently in the process to opening commercially produced Mary-Jane by select corporations to supply patients with product for profit. This is to get around their current single source and single strain problem [found to be Unconstitutional] The products will not have a DIN number as the strains required for patients is too numerous!

Health Canada/Government tried to deny access and it was found Unconstitutional.
Health Canada tried to limit Choice and it was found to be Unconstitutional.
Health Canada says market authorization is required with DIN numbers yet sells products without it and are in the process of granting Corporation to do the same!

The problem with this is that this "product" is not available to the "general" public. IF the same prinicipal as this could be done for nic juice then we would have a "solution" of sorts.


Things need to change in Canada (government and vendors) IMHO.
Will they? We can only hope. But it probably won't be any time soon and that hurts all of us.
 

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Not to be a smart ... or anything but in Canada the Government legalized certain drugs that may be illegal elsewhere. Are we breaking any rules by discussing them since legally they are the same as talking about aspirin. Just wondering how ECF deals with situations like that. Not that I'm sitting holding my breath till I can post about it as I have nothing to say on the subject. But Curious minds want to know.
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nuclearbroccoli

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Rules are rules folks. If you don't like the rules there are other forums that allow drug references and discussions.

In my earlier comment, I mentioned the court ruling on Insite and how it may possibly affect the legal status of e-cigs. While I have no desire to discuss drugs or drug use as such, I thought it was relevant to the topic at hand.
Could you clarify for me whether it was within the forum rules? I'm not entirely sure how it fits in.
If it was a violation of the rules, then I do apologize and I'll be more careful in future posts.
 
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