Whats best cheapest E-cig to ween you off to quit completely?
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Thanks for clearing that up SylverSmyth.
So.. just to be sure.. disposables don't have restrictions on refill? What makes them disposable..? can you replace the batteries and atomizer?
So.. just to be sure.. disposables don't have restrictions on refill? What makes them disposable..? can you replace the batteries and atomizer?
LOL well I do think so.. the picture shows a fat cylinder tapered at the end - I would prefer the straight cylinder style.
They do have "Mega" atties that are same size (dia.) as battery.
I have a few--they make it look more like a cigar.
But cost about 12$ each or there abouts.
Am sure you can replace atty and battery on the disposable ones--but almost be like buying a new one everytime .
Depends on what type carts(mouthpiece) are with it whether you can refill it.
Never had one so--not sure.
After reading this entire thread, I truly believe you're better off sticking with the TOP roll your own at 4.50 per week. and slowly tapering off that by exercising some self control, for the purpose of quitting nicotine forever. E-cigs are not for everybody. They are especially not for people who don't want to spend any money, want something that's gonna wean them off nicotine in one month and is as easy as falling off a log. If you're committed to quiting in 1 month then it's all a matter of personal willpower and commitment. I suggest you count the amount of Top you use in one day, divide by 30 and reduce your tobbaco usage by that ratio. On day 31 you should be smoke free according to your plan.
I'm truly not trying to be snarky or minimize your efforts here but let's be real. If a 10 dollar disposable e-cig device was the killer app for quiting cigarettes that would be the dominant product on the market. Everybody would be using them. At the same time, somebody suggests a proven device that works for most and you say it's ugly. If you're only going to use it for 30 days what do you care what it looks like? The reality is and always has been, you get what you pay for. No 10 dollar disposable is going to hold up and do the job with taste, satisfaction, and durability. It's gonna go south on you in 5days to a week and you'll be running to the store buying a bag of top and cursing the day you wasted the 30 bucks on e-cig junk. We don't want to see that. somebody recommended a good cheap tobacco flavored juice for you but you want tobacco with some extra kick in flavoring along with it. when was the last time you had Top tobacco with extra kick and flavoring in it?
From my point of view, what you are asking for is a magic bullet, wrapped in a silk purse at a sow's ear price. That's not gonna happen.
Just my honest two cents, John. no disrespect intended, sir.
Mohawk from Sedona,Az
I'm truly not trying to be snarky or minimize your efforts here but let's be real. If a 10 dollar disposable e-cig device was the killer app for quiting cigarettes that would be the dominant product on the market. Everybody would be using them. At the same time, somebody suggests a proven device that works for most and you say it's ugly. If you're only going to use it for 30 days what do you care what it looks like? The reality is and always has been, you get what you pay for. No 10 dollar disposable is going to hold up and do the job with taste, satisfaction, and durability. It's gonna go south on you in 5days to a week and you'll be running to the store buying a bag of top and cursing the day you wasted the 30 bucks on e-cig junk. We don't want to see that. somebody recommended a good cheap tobacco flavored juice for you but you want tobacco with some extra kick in flavoring along with it. when was the last time you had Top tobacco with extra kick and flavoring in it?
From my point of view, what you are asking for is a magic bullet, wrapped in a silk purse at a sow's ear price. That's not gonna happen.
Just my honest two cents, John. no disrespect intended, sir.
Mohawk from Sedona,Az
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http://www.chinabuye.com/180mah-electronic-cigarette-with-6pcs-atomized-cartridges
they don't come any cheaper, lol
they don't come any cheaper, lol
Afraid I have to agree with Mohawk. On all his points.
The cheapo 10 dollar kits, will not last you. You will end up running back to the Top, and it IS cheaper for you. Especially with the time frame you ahve set yourself. Honestly, if you go the route your talking about, unless your Superman with nerves/a will of steel, well a recipe for unhappiness, save yourself the 30 dollars and go with Mohawks idea first. Then if that doesn't work, come back and perhaps at this time, you'll be willing to think about what the experienced folks here are saying.
Tan
The cheapo 10 dollar kits, will not last you. You will end up running back to the Top, and it IS cheaper for you. Especially with the time frame you ahve set yourself. Honestly, if you go the route your talking about, unless your Superman with nerves/a will of steel, well a recipe for unhappiness, save yourself the 30 dollars and go with Mohawks idea first. Then if that doesn't work, come back and perhaps at this time, you'll be willing to think about what the experienced folks here are saying.
Tan
If you're going to quit and you're only using it for a month, what does it matter what it looks like?
If that is your plan, then you should get something that you can count on to work right.
Oh, and in case no one answered it yet, VG is for more vapor and PG is for more throat hit and flavor.
You can get any mixture you want from 100% VG to 100% PG and anything in between.
But you probably don't have enough time to figure out what you prefer before you will be done with all this.
Sticking with TOP _ Hmm ya think I haven't tried that? Believe I have tried many times to quit like that. Fact is no tobacco company makes products with gradients of nicotine like this:
Zero- NO Nicotine
08mg/0.8% NBV (Low)
16mg/1.6% NBV (Medium-High)
24mg/2.4% NBV (High)
32mg/3.2% NBV (Extra High)
to help ween you down. And the whole time your still putting the carcinogens in your body. Think about what your saying, You say, "They are especially not for people who don't want to spend any money, want something that's gonna wean them off nicotine in one month and is as easy as falling off a log."
I don't want something as easy as falling off a log. In fact I know it will be tough with this method. I dont want to not spend any money - but I'm wise enough to shop around to find the cheapest price i can afford to do what I want to do. i just don't want to be married to the nicotine and have to purchase e-cig products for the rest of my life.
The fact that e-cigs do not appear to be a quit smoking method is Only because no e-cig maker makes a product to do just that. It hasn't been tested enough as a quit smoking method - yet there are people who have done just what I'm planing and have quit. The e-cig makers are certainly not going to advertise it as such because they, like the big bad tobacco companies want you to buy the product - for life. In that respect e-cig makers are just as evil as the big tobacco companies imo. No, you don't come off sounding snarky, you come off sounding like an e-cig company rep.
Do you really KNOW it's going to go south in 5 days? Remember I will have two kits. I have read where people were still using the this kit after 3 weeks with over 100 recharges. I'm just trying to gather enough info to know if I can do what I want to do as cheap as possible. If I determine that I must use "the Ugly one" because In Fact the disposables will not do the job, then I will buy it instead.
No, your mistaken. regular tobacco flavor is exactly what I do want.
No Sir. I'm 43 years old and have been around the block a few times. I'm not looking for any magic bullet for the price of nothing - but being thrifty is always a good idea.
I'll bet you a hundred dollars IF an e-cig company DID make a quit smoking product as I am designing to get you off the harmful smoke AND the nicotine - it would be a Big Hit for a lot of people who can't seem to quit otherwise.
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I agreewith your logic, John. do your shopping and comparisons and come up with the best solution that will work for you. That's all that really matters. I would recommend the riva lite kit for 30 bucks and a recommended tobacco flavor but in the end you have to do what works for you. I'm with you 100% and wish you the best of luck in your quest. Your logic makes perfect sense.
I quit using cigarettes after 50 years of steady smoking. Even open heart surgery did not stop me. After doing my research on ECF and my first e-cig hit my mailbox, I've never touched a cigarette again. Good luck and good day to you, sir.
BTW, I never worked for a tobacco company in my life but I do admit to being a faithful customer of theirs for half a century.
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I applaud you for trying to quit in a month! And I really hope it works.
People are suggesting the Ego/Riva (ugly) batteries - and they aren't that much larger than the disposables - because so many of us have wasted money on the smaller batteries and gone crazy trying to keep them charged. After the first week or so many only keep a charge for 1/2 hour to an hour. Riva/Ego's last 5-6 hours for me.
Keep asking questions - it will help. The ecig stuff is confusing at first.
People are suggesting the Ego/Riva (ugly) batteries - and they aren't that much larger than the disposables - because so many of us have wasted money on the smaller batteries and gone crazy trying to keep them charged. After the first week or so many only keep a charge for 1/2 hour to an hour. Riva/Ego's last 5-6 hours for me.
Keep asking questions - it will help. The ecig stuff is confusing at first.
What happens when it's day 31 and the cravings are still there? I quit smoking for 10 years, from the late 80's to the late 90's.
For reasons don't like to discuss I started again. In those years I cannot say I craved cigarettes every day but I sorely missed them many times.
The thing is that cigarette smoking is not just nicotine addiction. Proof of that is the fact that nicotine gums, patches and even nicotine inhalers have a lousy track record. Why? Part of it because (except for the patch) their product taste terrible. It is designed to almost gag you to "protect the children" (seems like we are going to start needing protection from the children one of these days).
A huge part of cigarette smoking is the ritual associated with it. I have not started with the nicotine free juices, but I have a feeling that when I do, I won't miss the nicotine that much. Like you, I am going to gradually phase it out. So I don't think it will be a big issue.
The ritual, the taste, is another matter.
How come quitting cigarettes almost always leads to weight gain? Nicotine is a pretty effective appetite suppressant, but a big part of it is also the oral satisfaction that goes with smoking. I venture to say that vaping fulfills that oral need quite well, if not better.
Like every smoker, my first order of juices was composed of a lot of cigarette like flavors. But the good folks on this forum are pretty clear that most folks don't like them but they do like the various flavors available. So I ordered some myself. Unfortunately, it's a hit and miss process, but some of the flavors I got I really enjoyed and I am going to buy more and try some others as well. The truth is that now I mix the "cig like" flavors with menthol, berries, and other flavors but I like the candy stuff better because they are truly delicious. Buch more flavorful than any cig I have ever had.
By the way, a few points about your last post:
Riva: I don't find it ugly at all. In fact, I have a black 501, shaped like a cigarette and I bought a silver Riva. I think the riva is actually quite good looking. Certainly better looking that the cigarette I rolled out of loose tobacco when I went through a period making my own cigs. But I am sure you are a much better roller than I ever was.
Smoking cessation: I am vastly ignorant about vaping, having only a couple of weeks experience. But I am pretty sure that e-cigs are not marketed as "smoking cessation devices" not because the manufacturers have not thought about it or they don't have the smarts to figure it out on their own. It's because when you market it as smoking cessation, you are basically selling medicine. As such, you have to fund studies, go through the various regulations and so forth. I read somewhere that marketing a new medicine can easily run about $100 million. A smoking cessation kit (beside that it would be illegal presently) is medicine.
Having been in manufacturing I can tell you that coming up with a new product is an expensive proposition all by itself. but complying with all the research, tests, applications, etc. for a new medicine is simply something that regular human beings can no longer do. It takes huge capital and infrastructure.
In fact, I know next to nothing about the companies that manufacture and distribute e-cigs. They may be big or they may be small. What I do know is that they are nowhere as big as RJ Reynolds or the other tobacco companies. How do I know that? Because I am pretty sure that they singly or as a group would love to be able to market e-cigs as a smoking cessation "cure". With all the smokers out there, they could afford to help them stop and still have a renewable supply of customers that would make the vaping community pale in comparison.
But there is no e-cigs company or even no conglomerate of them big enough to market e-cigs as a medicine and take on the FDA and BT. They are simply too small.
Heck, my guess is that for that to happen it would cost probably over $10 million in lobbying efforts alone.
Bottom line, while I do hope you find a way to quit smoking and I wish you best of luck with the quit smoking product, I am not holding my breath. Even in a different political and bureaucratic climate, even if you just wanted to come up with just a product to bring to market that needed no permit, no peer reviewed literature, no "oiling of wheels" in Washington or any red tape, you are still looking at several grand and at least 6 months to a year of 12 hour days. That's what any new product require of its inventor. Total commitment, ability to learn quick, innate skills and a certain amount of capital. Certainly more than a few bags of Tops.
But as a "drug", no way. It's just not going to happen.
For reasons don't like to discuss I started again. In those years I cannot say I craved cigarettes every day but I sorely missed them many times.
The thing is that cigarette smoking is not just nicotine addiction. Proof of that is the fact that nicotine gums, patches and even nicotine inhalers have a lousy track record. Why? Part of it because (except for the patch) their product taste terrible. It is designed to almost gag you to "protect the children" (seems like we are going to start needing protection from the children one of these days).
A huge part of cigarette smoking is the ritual associated with it. I have not started with the nicotine free juices, but I have a feeling that when I do, I won't miss the nicotine that much. Like you, I am going to gradually phase it out. So I don't think it will be a big issue.
The ritual, the taste, is another matter.
How come quitting cigarettes almost always leads to weight gain? Nicotine is a pretty effective appetite suppressant, but a big part of it is also the oral satisfaction that goes with smoking. I venture to say that vaping fulfills that oral need quite well, if not better.
Like every smoker, my first order of juices was composed of a lot of cigarette like flavors. But the good folks on this forum are pretty clear that most folks don't like them but they do like the various flavors available. So I ordered some myself. Unfortunately, it's a hit and miss process, but some of the flavors I got I really enjoyed and I am going to buy more and try some others as well. The truth is that now I mix the "cig like" flavors with menthol, berries, and other flavors but I like the candy stuff better because they are truly delicious. Buch more flavorful than any cig I have ever had.
By the way, a few points about your last post:
Riva: I don't find it ugly at all. In fact, I have a black 501, shaped like a cigarette and I bought a silver Riva. I think the riva is actually quite good looking. Certainly better looking that the cigarette I rolled out of loose tobacco when I went through a period making my own cigs. But I am sure you are a much better roller than I ever was.
Smoking cessation: I am vastly ignorant about vaping, having only a couple of weeks experience. But I am pretty sure that e-cigs are not marketed as "smoking cessation devices" not because the manufacturers have not thought about it or they don't have the smarts to figure it out on their own. It's because when you market it as smoking cessation, you are basically selling medicine. As such, you have to fund studies, go through the various regulations and so forth. I read somewhere that marketing a new medicine can easily run about $100 million. A smoking cessation kit (beside that it would be illegal presently) is medicine.
Having been in manufacturing I can tell you that coming up with a new product is an expensive proposition all by itself. but complying with all the research, tests, applications, etc. for a new medicine is simply something that regular human beings can no longer do. It takes huge capital and infrastructure.
In fact, I know next to nothing about the companies that manufacture and distribute e-cigs. They may be big or they may be small. What I do know is that they are nowhere as big as RJ Reynolds or the other tobacco companies. How do I know that? Because I am pretty sure that they singly or as a group would love to be able to market e-cigs as a smoking cessation "cure". With all the smokers out there, they could afford to help them stop and still have a renewable supply of customers that would make the vaping community pale in comparison.
But there is no e-cigs company or even no conglomerate of them big enough to market e-cigs as a medicine and take on the FDA and BT. They are simply too small.
Heck, my guess is that for that to happen it would cost probably over $10 million in lobbying efforts alone.
Bottom line, while I do hope you find a way to quit smoking and I wish you best of luck with the quit smoking product, I am not holding my breath. Even in a different political and bureaucratic climate, even if you just wanted to come up with just a product to bring to market that needed no permit, no peer reviewed literature, no "oiling of wheels" in Washington or any red tape, you are still looking at several grand and at least 6 months to a year of 12 hour days. That's what any new product require of its inventor. Total commitment, ability to learn quick, innate skills and a certain amount of capital. Certainly more than a few bags of Tops.
But as a "drug", no way. It's just not going to happen.
No, you nailed it.
If the FDA were to have it's way and be allowed by the courts to declare electronic cigarettes to be smoking cessation devices, they would be taken off the market immediately and essentially banned. This "ban" would be in effect until such time as someone spent the money and the time to jump through all the hoops to get them approved by the FDA, which can take many years, lots and lots of testing, and lots and lots of money. And they would probably come out the other side of that costing as much as other approved smoking cessation products, and being just as ineffective.
And in the current climate, any marketer, distributor, manufacturer, vendor, or seller that makes any claims about using their product to help a person quit smoking will have their product confiscated as it arrives from China, and all of the money spent on that product will be lost. In addition, they will get a friendly visit from the FDA that won't go to well.
No offense, but you seem to enjoy going around the block the hard way.
I started smoking as a teen on full-strength cigs and smoked full-strength a long time. Then once after a hospital stay, the full strength were too strong so I went to lights. After another hospital stay I ended up on ultralights. Then the price of the ultralights got so high I couldn't afford them ($64/carton) and I had to smoker cheaper ($44/carton) lights with 2x the nicotine.
With ecigs, I started on 18mg and after a couple of months, after I had found some flavors I really liked, I wanted to try dropping my nicotine. I stopped buying juices in 18mg and bought all of my faves and a bunch of new ones in 12mg. I actually use the new juices as a lure - I don't let myself try them until I drop my nic. I dropped to 12 over a weekend - just boxed up the 18mg and switched. I felt a bit "off" but it was pretty easy. Less TH but still some TH. Then just a few weeks later, I started wanting to try another drop so I started buying 6mg juices and 0nic of my faves so I could cut the 12mg I had left down to 6mg. Then I dropped to 6 - I'm using cartos now so I just started topping off my 12mg cartos with 6mg and that stretched out the transition. That was a bigger drop in TH. Not much TH left. So I bought a Riva 510 so I can use LR attys/cartos when I want more throat feel. I've been stocking up on zero nic juices and taking this last step a bit slower. I always vape 2 ecigs (a 510 w/ carto and a KR8 w/ carto) so starting this past weekend I have a 0mg carto on one and a 6mg on the other. So far I just carry a Riva battery with me because it can get a bit more warmth and vapor out of even a standard resistance carto, so I move the 6mg Boge carto from the 510 to the Riva if I want bigger hits.
Interestingly - the lower my nicotine gets, the less "desperate" my need for nicotine is. My one regret is that Boba's Bounty is not available in 0mg. On the bright side, those Tasty Vapor doublers are so cheap! 2oz (60ml) of 0mg juice for $10. Also excellent for cutting old higher-nic or over-flavored liquids.
With ecigs, I started on 18mg and after a couple of months, after I had found some flavors I really liked, I wanted to try dropping my nicotine. I stopped buying juices in 18mg and bought all of my faves and a bunch of new ones in 12mg. I actually use the new juices as a lure - I don't let myself try them until I drop my nic. I dropped to 12 over a weekend - just boxed up the 18mg and switched. I felt a bit "off" but it was pretty easy. Less TH but still some TH. Then just a few weeks later, I started wanting to try another drop so I started buying 6mg juices and 0nic of my faves so I could cut the 12mg I had left down to 6mg. Then I dropped to 6 - I'm using cartos now so I just started topping off my 12mg cartos with 6mg and that stretched out the transition. That was a bigger drop in TH. Not much TH left. So I bought a Riva 510 so I can use LR attys/cartos when I want more throat feel. I've been stocking up on zero nic juices and taking this last step a bit slower. I always vape 2 ecigs (a 510 w/ carto and a KR8 w/ carto) so starting this past weekend I have a 0mg carto on one and a 6mg on the other. So far I just carry a Riva battery with me because it can get a bit more warmth and vapor out of even a standard resistance carto, so I move the 6mg Boge carto from the 510 to the Riva if I want bigger hits.
Interestingly - the lower my nicotine gets, the less "desperate" my need for nicotine is. My one regret is that Boba's Bounty is not available in 0mg. On the bright side, those Tasty Vapor doublers are so cheap! 2oz (60ml) of 0mg juice for $10. Also excellent for cutting old higher-nic or over-flavored liquids.
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I started smoking at 18. Quit at 19 then like you for personal reasons started up again at 20 - smoked ever since. That time when I quit it was cold turkey. Most of the time if you can hang in there for a whole week your body won't have the cravings anymore.One week. 7 days. That's all it takes for the nicotine cravings to be gone from your body.
Of course this is the hardest road to take and you and everyone around you goes through Hell. Which brings me to your next point. -->
I agree. We now have many years of psychological bad habits ingrained into us. The wanting to put something in your mouth to draw smoke even if you don't crave the nicotine is very strong - can be stronger than the nicotine itself. For those who tried to quit, ever notice that if after a couple of days not smoking you do slip and pick up a cig, you feel that nicotine rush and then think, " Now Why did I do that?" realizing it wasn't the nicotine you really wanted but the act of smoking itself? - This has happened to me many times. But then since you started putting the nicotine back into your body, you continue with it. At least this is my experience.
It seems to me the FDA would not have such a problem with a ween down smoking cessation e-cig kit and require it to be sold as medicine because if they did they would have to acknowledge that The Nicotine Juice itself is in fact a drug that needs to be regulated - they will not get away with that because then you would have to regulate the nicotine in tobacco products and thus make all cigarettes a medicine subject to medical regulation. The tobacco companies simply won't let them do that.
That's the very reason they get away with selling nicotine juice in the first place. There are many natural smoking cessation products on the market that are not subject to FDA regulation. They contain ingredients similar to nicotine. They may even work for some people.
Besides, the medical industry already has such products like Chantix. If they can synthesize a natural substance then it becomes a "drug" and is subject to FDA regulation as a medicine. They cannot do with with chemicals that are naturally occurring. (well they can and do, but not for something the people want en mass like thier nicotine fix) Too many people would be outraged and of course this is the U.S Government, For the people by the people.
I honestly think if the e-cig companies did try such a product it would work and not come under such medical fire as it isn't being done already for nicotine juice.
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