whats really going on

[mwa102464]

Whats really going on with vaping reports on Health and my lungs and my heart, I would really like to know..???? With all the companies that are now alive selling e-cigs, Mods, and e-juice why hasnt anyone shown a real test, I mean realt too, on vaping and what happens to the lungs and heart while vaping. This is bothering me, it cant really be that hard to set up a scientific test with some scientist and a machine with it vaping X amount of Vapor into this machine and it showing us what its doing to a set of lungs and a heart. The major tobacco companies have done this time and time again along with some other groups. Darn it I wanna know and wanna know someday soon what the real deal is, because all of us doing it really dont know I think, and I would like some feed back on this
++++++ & --------- good and bad doesnt anyone else wanna know????

 

[5cardstud]

Well as you say the tabacco companies have done those tests on tabacco cigarettes and found thousands of chemicals that I know I'm not putting in my lungs or circulatory system any more and in this case I believe less is better. I know the products used in eliquid has been used for along time in other food stuff. So for me that will suffice until someone does a test. I don't think it will be tabacco companies or the gov. as they both are biased. I hope someone does one though cause I would like to know. But till then I do feel safer.

 

[MsSki]

Yeah would be really cool to know , BUT for me, I do Know that im inhaling about 3900 less chemicals than that of my old anologs, so my way of thinking is that it has to be better. I would be willing to be a tester for any company out there. Im filling so much better sence i started vaping 3 and half weeks ago. My acne is clearing up, my breathing is better my husband mentioned i havnt been snoring or breathing as heavy as i use too, my teeth are looking whiter and I really can taste and smell things. I just feel cleaner all over. Sorry rambling
Tara

 

[mwa102464]

I agree guys and we all see the good things happening, but there is a but here, and that is we dont know if there are bad things happening and this is one of my points, I think you both say you would like to know RIGHT..!!! SO WOULD I, Listen there arent many who Vape more than I, and I have many mods many liquids, I just wanna know!!!! Lets get some test so we all know..!!!

 

[mwa102464]

And Gals My mistake Gals

 

[5cardstud]

Oh thank you for ferferring to me as a gal. Just kidding I don't care. Anyway I read about a study on this forum about people who work around vapor like musicians and such and it said they had a few problems but cancer and emphazima wasn't one of them nor was heart desease.

 

[mwa102464]

Funny stud, but I didnt wanna leave out the chicks and leave myself open for a whoopen by them thats all

 

[bigd123]

I can't post a link, but if you look on epa.gov there is an article about air sanitizers referencing PG as an antibacterial! hip hip hurray for PG and vaping

This is awesome, anyone seen this?

...There is considerable evidence that glycol vapors produce significant decreases i/n numbers of viable airborne bacteria under relatively wide conditions of relative humidity and temperature when properly and continuously dispensed by a vaporizing device so as to maintain suitable concentrations in the air of enclosed spaces.

Guess no more sinus infections for me!!! lol

 

[dark cobra]

Well after lurking for a good month now suckin in ALL the info i could find, we already have most if not all the info you're looking for. Thing is... it's spread out.

There has been a lot of research done on ecigs, PG, nicotine and even second hand vapor.

 

[dark cobra]

I can't post a link, but if you look on epa.gov there is an article about air sanitizers referencing PG as an antibacterial! hip hip hurray for PG and vaping

This is awesome, anyone seen this?

...There is considerable evidence that glycol vapors produce significant decreases i/n numbers of viable airborne bacteria under relatively wide conditions of relative humidity and temperature when properly and continuously dispensed by a vaporizing device so as to maintain suitable concentrations in the air of enclosed spaces.

Guess no more sinus infections for me!!! lol

Indeed that's one of the PG side effect that was researched previously. Tested in children hospital wings too, the wings where PG was vaporised had a lower % of viral infections. I'll refrain from giving a number because i seriously can't remember the number but i'm pretty sure it was a big enough margin to help you make up your mind about PG

As far as toxicity, i read the maximum suggested amount of daily PG is 25mg but i'm pretty sure you'll have a heart attack from the nic before you get halfway there so heh.

What i'd like to see is the same thing for VG (What can i say, i'm a fan )

 

[lorikay13]

Well as you say the tabacco companies have done those tests on tabacco cigarettes and found thousands of chemicals that I know I'm not putting in my lungs or circulatory system any more and in this case I believe less is better.

This is something I have been wondering about ever since I saw the sub forum for Dekang. The gentlemen who is representing them described all the sophisticated equipment they use to filter out all those chemicals and end up with a tobacco flavoring. Not talking about nicotine now but the actual flavoring that is used to make e-liquids taste like tobacco. Apparently Dekang actually produces their own out of raw tobacco. Which leads to my question....what about all these suppliers out there who are literally "cooking" tobacco in their garage or kitchen or wherever ???? I mean we are buying liquids from these people and not even questioning them. WHY?? We grill the crap out of this Chinese guy just because he is representing a Chinese company. Don't get me wrong...I did not see one disrespectful,rude or sarcastic comment. Some people were skeptical but that is what he is there for. But what I am saying is that we don't question these home business suppliers like that. Do you think there might still be some...or alot of those chemicals left in the flavoring or tobacco base they are producing ? How could there not be ? I mean Dekang produces their flavoring and bases in labratory conditions with the most modern filtration equipment and chemical analyses etc. But since there are no regulations at all for e-juice why do we trust people just because they are making something here in the USA. ?????
It's just kind of scarey, ya know? Myself included of course, we all want to believe in this so badly....that we are getting the cake and get to eat it too! But I just keep thinking about that old cliche'...if it sounds too good to be true.........

 

[hittman]

I don't know this for sure but I think that alot of suppliers are buying their tobacco flavorings from china. I know of at least a couple that do.

 

[JohnnyVapor]

Whats really going on with Vaping reports on Health and my lungs and my heart, I would really like to know..???? With all the companies that are now alive selling e-cigs, Mods, and e-juice why hasnt anyone shown a real test, I mean realt too, on vaping and what happens to the lungs and heart while Vaping. This is bothering me, it cant really be that hard to set up a scientific test with some scientist and a machine with it vaping X amount of Vapor into this machine and it showing us what its doing to a set of lungs and a heart. The major tobacco companies have done this time and time again along with some other groups. Darn it I wanna know and wanna know someday soon what the real deal is, because all of us doing it really dont know I think, and I would like some feed back on this
++++++ & --------- good and bad doesnt anyone else wanna know????

Allow me to quote a post I made a bit earlier, prefaced with the fact that there's a lot we don't know yet.

Humans have been igniting tobacco and inhaling the resulting smoke for a long, long time. Well before the advent of modern medicine, microscopes, blood tests, and decent knowledge of biology and chemistry. If cigarettes were introduced today, we'd know they were bad before 20-30 years.

While that certainly doesn't give e-cigs a clean bill of health, it looks a whole heck of a lot safer. That's really the key word here. Wouldn't you agree they're safer? If so, I don't see the problem. If they help get people off of cigarettes, they're a plus in my book.

As for far-reaching health problems, it's unknown. I'd love to see a medical test of small amounts of e-juice vapor exposed to lung tissue over 10-30 years. Given the chemicals involved, it's unlikely there will be major problems, but as always, it can be hard to tell with the human body.

I'd believe that the largest unknown factor would be the flavorings used. PG has been used for quite some time without major problems. We already know most of the negatives of nicotine. As for inhaling flavorings that are usually ingested, there's our unknown.

The true test for all e-cig users out there is whether you're willing to risk the possibility of problems far down the road to known immediate and future health concerns.

 

[BradSmith]

I would love to know exactly what it does or will do. However, as new as it is the way we will find out the long term effects is 30 years from now when they do a statistical evaluation of those of us who vape those who smoke and those who do neither. that will be the true test. The other types of tests might be somewhat predictive but won't really be 100% no matter who they are done by.

Not that I would appose experiments done by private labs I think the more we know the better. However, I would NOT be in favor of having them conducted by the Government, simply because I don't trust them to use whatever results they find against us.

If you look at the history of the governments use of test results from other inhaled substistance you will see that they have a tendency to ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their agenda and to hype even the smallest thing that does.

 

[Kilroy]

The number of real world tests are limited to non-existent. We are the lab rats. Welcome to the real world.

 

[Tuesday]

There presently is an enormus variety of flavoring for e-liquids. Each flavor will have its own chemical structure. This is one thing I worry about, I am not a chemist or a biochemist but I would like to know more about this. I certainly am more concerned about this than the nic, pg or vg.

 

[AmyB66]

My concern is the dehydration. I figured vaping itself is far better than smoking but I wonder about my lungs and esophagus and sinus passages. If my skin is getting drier and I do get dehydrated if I don't soak down the water now that I am vaping, what is it doing to my lung tissue?

If there is a link on this, someone please post it for me.

 

[traderblue]

I agree guys and we all see the good things happening, but there is a but here, and that is we dont know if there are bad things happening and this is one of my points, I think you both say you would like to know RIGHT..!!! SO WOULD I, Listen there arent many who Vape more than I, and I have many mods many liquids, I just wanna know!!!! Lets get some test so we all know..!!!

The bad things that happen to me after learning to vape and diy own zero-nic e-liquid are:

1. Philip Morris lost a loyal 22-years old Marlboro customer like me.
2. My family doctor see me lesser.
3. Less visit to local pharmacy for my Ventolin inhalers.
4. Government beginning to hate me for not paying tobacco-tax anymore.
5. Spend more time outside home cycling and the money saved on analogs is used on buying two new high-end bicycles.
6. All my smokers-friends refused to acknowledge that I am now an ex-smoker.

 

[reckless68]

Ok, this is just an idea, but, I have been smoking analog cigs since I was 14yrs old, now 41. I smoked a pack aday, tried all the methods of quiting. I am using a prodigy v2 with a 901 and johnson creek liquid. I fill 1 cartridge a day, maybe some days more. I noticed the desire for an anolog cig every morning and after each meal. I have been reading a lot of these posts put on here and some are very informative and some are just bull, no offense to anyone please. I can notice a big difference when i smoke an analog, and find myself wanting to vap more than smoke analogs. Anyway, I see alot of abuse with the e cigs, no offense, with the way some explain things. I believe that if you use this thing to an advantage and the way it was meant alot of problems would go away. I dont intend to bash anyone but slow down a little, you are to make things better not worse. Ok i am rambling so peace out. I hope this doesnt make any one mad, Peace to all.

 

[W Axl Rose]

Reckless, I agree with you. I was one who 'abused' it and I got bitten in the ...!!