whats really going on

[River]

I can't post a link, but if you look on epa.gov there is an article about air sanitizers referencing PG as an antibacterial! hip hip hurray for PG and vaping

This is awesome, anyone seen this?

...There is considerable evidence that glycol vapors produce significant decreases i/n numbers of viable airborne bacteria under relatively wide conditions of relative humidity and temperature when properly and continuously dispensed by a vaporizing device so as to maintain suitable concentrations in the air of enclosed spaces.

Guess no more sinus infections for me!!! lol

Air Sanitizers | Pesticides | US EPA

 

[lorikay13]

I find it fascinating that so far not one seller or supplier who uses this forum to make money has come forward to address this issue?????? And what really disturbs me is that I am seeing an increasing pattern of behavior on the part of sellers that looks alot like Big tobacco....after all...are not we all basicly a bunch of drug addicts clammering for the perfect drug ?

yeah I know...thats a really jaded thing to say. But I am not leveling that comment AT anyone else.....I am in this thing hook line and sinker. I think what I am saying is that WE...the buyer need to take a closer look at ourselves and not look to the government to bail us out with studies and tests that tell us what we want to hear. Bottom line....other than the possibilty that pure nicotine itself, in metered dosages, delivered in a consistent and known safe manner, (dermal exposure,patches) will turn out to be a valuable antiinflammatory drug, there really is no redeeming qualities to vaping. It cracks me up to see it touted as "the green solution to smoking" ? Are we out of our minds???? I guess so.....everything about this product is a travesty to the Earth. Plastic,plastic and more plastic. Artificial chemicals (the flavors we all love) that occur no where on Earth except in the lab. Cheaper than cigarettes? OMFG!?!? Now you are kidding me! Talk about big tobacco tactics...I fell for those analog VS vaping calculators myself. It is how I convinced my husband to quit smoking....printed out a bank statement, circled all the cartons of Marlboros and then showed him one of those calculators. It worked when nothing else would. And hey.....I wasn't really a cigarette addict but since this was "safe" and "cheap" well why not do it together ? Then after the initial investment...which of course comes with no instructions for life...just like cigarettes...we find out the truth. Those calculators are based on the original equipment you buy being permanent....NOT disposable!!! And they are based on us...the two legged Pavlov's dogs....NOT responding to all the pictures of dripping fruit,beautiful bare breasted women rolling in chocolate, etc and buying dozens of different flavors that get thrown away because they taste like crap.

So what's really going on here.....what's really going on here is that we are all addicted to a drug. And some smart, and in many cases smartass people found a way to take advantage of a deep,deep longing we all have...to satisfy that addiction AND be able to justify it intellectually. So think twice before you shout too loudly for those studies you want done. And remember to follow the money. Only a big company with something significant to lose will be able to afford to fund a study like this. Are you going to trust them anymore than we could trust Phillip Morris ? All these sellers and suppliers here at the forum are just trying to make a living....in some cases because they are actually using the products and believe in what they are doing. I like to think the few I have decided to do business with are in that catagory. But none of them are going to be able to answer these questions scientifically or fund the studies that will.

So the monkey is on our backs and it's up to us as individuals to decide rather to let him stay there or not. And caveot empor.......let the buyer beware.

 

[reckless68]

I agree lorakay, we are addicts looking for another fix, but my point to the message was for people to slow down a little and realize what is going on when we stop smoking and try something new, ie...... stop smoking analogs things start to change with or lungs, throat and bodies. I stopped smoking marlboro's and had a headache for 2 days until all the nasty chemicles left my body. I tried the chantix and had an issue with the habit of lighting up and taking a deep breathe and just relaxing. so we are going to continue to be addicts until finally we either just give up or something else kills us, lol. Peace out

 

[lorikay13]

yes...I see your point. And it is an excellent one. I too am starting to wonder at the wisdom of substituring one habit for another. In fact in some ways....I'm wondering if this vaping isn't even worse...now I'm just talking about ME here....I'm not saying what anyone else should do or that there should be any regulations telling others what to do. But just for myself....when I smoked cigarattes I really didnt enjoy them 80% of the time. In fact most of the time I hated them and hated myself for not being able to give them up. And you are so,so,so right about the habits that surround it. The deep breathe,standing out on the porch and looking at the mountains. I havn't stood out on the porch since I started vaping. But again, reckless, your point is well taken. If I slow down I realize that when that "craving" hits it isn't a cigarette that I want. It's that the cigarette gave me an excuse to stand out on the porch,look at the mountains, take a deep breathe and relax. And the reason I say this vaping might be worse is that there is even more ritual behaviour with it. And just look at this forum......when we smoked we didn't have a place like this to come and talk about it. I mean this is really a pretty amazing place. All kinds of people from everywhere on Earth acting out the entire human drama. And I have no doubt that for some this is the most human contact they get. And that is a good thing. But it also reinforces the habit....I don't know...I think Im just babbling now

But the bottom line is....you put it perfectly...we need to slow down. Peace to you, reckless68

 

[mwa102464]

Im extremely happy this thread is a growing one, we all need to keep it going so we all can learn from what other people find. Thank you everyone for speaking up and sharing some of my concerns. I vape a whole lot, love it and really want as much info as I can get to be able to share it with everyone else.!!!

Thanks
mwa102464

 

[mwa102464]

After reading some really good post on this thread, I am wondering if someone on this forum could possibly get a decent school that might be able to do some testing. A good college campus would really be a good place to start because of the cost factor involved and also the technoledgy that a good campus might have. Anybody have any opinions on this or even better know someone at a campus they could speak to about doing some testing on Nicotine intake and also everything else (chemicals) we intake and ask if they might have an intrest in doing a study group with testing..?????

 

[JohnnyVapor]

In fact in some ways....I'm wondering if this vaping isn't even worse...now I'm just talking about ME here....I'm not saying what anyone else should do or that there should be any regulations telling others what to do.

The neat thing about being a human being with free will is the ability to make decisions for ourselves. I don't think anyone fully believes that vaping is the be-all end-all for absolutely everyone. After reading your stream-of-consciousness rant above, it seems it may not be right for you, in line with what you said above. If it doesn't work for you, then by all means, don't do it.

However, as a counterpoint to some of the things you mentioned...

Vaping is much cheaper for me than smoking. Beyond any silly calculator, I see the results in my bank account every month. I've purchased far more e-cig media than I use, and I have stock for months on hand right now. Even after that, I'm saving money.

Many 'artificial flavors' may be the same chemical you'd find in natural sources. The only difference being they were synthesized instead of extracted. Happens a lot in the food you eat every day, unless you grow absolutely everything yourself.

Nicotine has shown some health benefits. It is also being studied for a variety of possible benefits. We don't know much yet as for the longest time it was associated with tobacco, and had a rather negative stigma.

Taste is subjective, and there is no need to throw away a flavor you may not like. Mix it, trade it, sell it, whatever.

I'm not sure of the environmental impact of the e-cigarette manufacturing process, but traditional cigarettes are certainly not earth-friendly. Sadly, hardly anything is these days.

Are e-cigs safe? Well, that's unknown. It is believed by people smarter than you or I that they are 'safer'.

If you weren't a cigarette addict, why on God's green earth did you buy an e-cig? You should probably have just quit cold turkey. The e-cig is an alternative for addicts like myself.

Suppliers, resellers, and manufacturers found a market niche and developed it. I would hardly call that 'taking advantage of' us. Is your local power company 'taking advantage of you' by providing a product you want? Is Subway 'taking advantage of you' by selling you a tasty sandwich?

If you have concerns regarding communication with suppliers, talk to them. they may not be browsing every post on these forums. If I have a problem with my internet, I don't just go onto a forum and write a complaint post, then come back a bit later asking why they haven't responded. I take the issue directly to the company. As for your question about trusting them, I don't innately trust most people. I personally did some research on e-cigarettes, and it was shown to my satisfaction that it was a huge step in risk reduction.

 

[Mestra]

Lorikay, I am relatively new to the e-cig world just hit 1 month analog free today. My kit cost 148 shipped to my house (came with 30 mL of Juice and 5 pre-filled carts)+ i bought 20mL of Clove for 14 dollars and a usb PT for 15 dollars total is 178.00 I am about to make another juice order which will be 95mL for 50 dollars if 50 mL lasted me 1 month (i still have some left) 95 is 2+ month supply so 25 dollars a month on juice. I received 5 atomizers and 1 has died in a month (only used 2 of the 5 and the first one died last week) so add another 10 dollars a month to that totaling out 35 dollars a month 1 Carton of Cigarettes was 51.59 after tax and i smoked 1 carton per week. For me this is a savings of 120 dollars a month. After my initial investment i should be breaking even soon (if not already have not seen my analog vs vapor calculator recently)

So yes the cost is a plus

Edit*Just saw my calculator so far saved 215.78 so after my order im only 10 dollars over what i would have spent on analogs and i wont have to order again for at least 2 months YAY

 

[reckless68]

The deep breathe,standing out on the porch and looking at the mountains. I havn't stood out on the porch since I started vaping.
lorikay:
I still go outside and stand with my wife and vap while she smokes, I still get that relax time.

 

[reckless68]

Johnnyvapor,
i agree, I found a way to enjoy the flavor even more. Before i was drawing on it like a cigarette, the tried taking a slower draw in and relized that I dont get that "metal" taste and I get more of the flavor of e-liquid of my choice. Just thought I would pass that along.