whats the best way respond to very skeptical questions about vaping ???

[Skinr1]

hi all ,

ok had a co-worker approach me today and question me about vaping of course he is a smoker ,, Cigars
and his wife smokes also but she wants to try vaping cause of course a few of the other girls in her office are doing it
however being the skeptic that he is , and he is a very skeptical guy , he isnt sure he wants to support her efforts ,
with that being said this is what i was asked

Whats the big deal about vaping anyway ? there are no tests that prove or back up any claims that it really does help a smoker stop ,
not to mention it is a known fact that the odds of a smoker actually quitting and succeeding in the long term are very very low . and how do you know that vaping isnt just another tobacco or non tobacco billion dollar a year industry just to fool smokers with false hopes of quitting while seperating them from their $$$$ at the same time ?
also vaping does have its side effects as with anything you put in your body
so why bother with it at all ??

Now being a newbie and just starting out 21 days ago vaping i wasnt exactly sure how to feild such questions or respond to such things he was saying and asking so im turning to you all , clearly many of you know a heck of a lot more then i do ...
how would you respond to such questions or whats the best way to respond ????

 

[Recon Number 54]

Honesty is best.

If you don't know for yourself, and the other person is sincere in their question, offer to research it (or you each research and compare notes). Make it a collaborative effort.

As far as the basics, the fact that someone is ceasing to inhale burning plant material, paper, preservatives, fillers and additives and is replacing that smoke (and particulate matter) with a vapor that contains PG and/or VG (both are GRAS, generally recognized as safe and are in common ingestible items) nicotine and flavor with NO particulates.... that is a good starting point for a side-by-side comparison of the two.

If smoking/vaping are viewed as nicotine delivery systems, one has serious and widely recognized risks and drawbacks, the other has no glaringly obvious and known risks (though any reasonable person would be supportive and eager to have unbiased and proper research done on the subject).

 

[RobinBanks]

I'd just say "look. Vaping allowed me to quit smoking. It'll help your wife quit too". Give him the link to CASAA. If he's a good guy, he'll go read. If he's not, he won't.

I'm assuming he's an adult that can read.

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

Agreed, be honest and supportive, but there is no need to push. Time has a remarkable way of turning the tide. The more he sees people vaping, the more 'normal' it will feel to him.

 

[Skinr1]

well how i responded is how my doctor put it to me , anything that helps you smoke 1 less tar ridden , acetone , paper filled , tobacco filled
Cigarrette a day is better then nothing , i also told him that i was on a forum that was loaded with great info on the subject of vaping and recommended this forum to his wife , i also said i dont have all the answers but i will ask around and see what i can learn and share

 

[KnurledNut]

I had a few fellow employees ask me questions and voice their skepticism. I just tell them my story and it usually works.

"Hey...I smoked 2 packs per day for 37 years. I haven't had a smoke in XX days thanks for this nicotine juice. I've tried patches, gum, lozenges, pills, hypnosis and even had someone poked needles behind my ears. So far, this is the only thing that has worked. Have you noticed that I don't stink anymore?"

Then I make them get closer and smell me.

 

[Train2]

The "odds of quitting are very low" so he doesn't want to try it. Or his wife.
I dunno what kind of "odds" you have of convincing this guy.
But you can throw a few indesputable facts out:
You "know" (here) hundreds of people who've quit cigs pretty quickly after starting vaping. Some with ease...
You're ingesting 3 or 4 chemicals, none of them known to be particularly harmful. Compare that to a cigarette any way you want...
For the "how do you know..." - geez, how do we know he's not an alien?

 

[Screamin Eagle]

All you have to do is look through these forums at all the "I QUIT!" or "My Last analog!!" threads, the ones that these statistic takers don't look at, and go back and tell him about all the people "in the wood work" that are real and have quit.
Then give him the dirty pond water or soda analogy.
Your dieing of thurst. You are given two options. A glass of dirty pond water, or a glass of soda. Which will you choose? The dirty pond water represents cigaretts. The soda represents vaping. Neither is good for you, but one is a whole lot better then the other.

 

[WillyZee]

Ask them to read ECF a bit ... soon it will be obvious, that many people have vaped their way to quit smoking.

 

[Recon Number 54]

well how i responded is how my doctor put it to me , anything that helps you smoke 1 less tar ridden , acetone , paper filled , tobacco filled
Cigarrette a day is better then nothing , i also told him that i was on a forum that was loaded with great info on the subject of vaping and recommended this forum to his wife , i also said i dont have all the answers but i will ask around and see what i can learn and share

Well, if he is the "good kind" of skeptic and is motivated to help his wife's health, he may be visiting and finding how this is a friendly and informative community who likes nothing better than encouraging others to quit smoking analogs.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Read and print this and give to him.


CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

also direct him here to ecf and let him read for himself......

 

[TruckDrivinMama]

I was put in the same position as you were with co workers about a year ago before i converted some to vaping. Yes the FDA currently doesnt approve that vaping as totally safe as some effects of inhaling nicotine are unknown and other issues as well. But what is proven is that it doesnt contain nearly as much chemicals as real cigs does ie tar, tobacco, stuff from napalm, stuff from nuclear weapons, etc. i cant remember all of them but there is a ridiculously long list. No second hand smoke.

Take a look at some supplier's ingredients to make juices. PG, VG, natural food flavouring and water. You can compare that to the ingredients of an analog.

Yes i have had side effects from vaping like headaches when i started because i chain vaped a yummy juice at 18mg nic and that was too much nic for me. Easy solution was to order juice at lowers mgs. Another one was that i was able to taste food again and enjoy it. Smoking analogs nearly killed my taste buds. Throat hit was experienced by the PG but it didnt do anything to me. All my experience in vaping was nothing but positive.

I think those of us on here prove as a testament as successful quitters of analogs. Lots of proud quitters on here by the hundreds if not thousands. I smoked analogs for 7.5 years heavily, been a drug user and was also an alcoholic before vaping. Im sure there are those who have smoked analogs WAY longer than i did and did more than 2-3 packs a day. We all chose that one day to crush the pack, move on and pick up the PV ritual to replace those darn killers. Be it one that is a healthy lifestyle which increases our longevity. No more coughing up those thick yellow phlegm for me and my hubby each morning. Healthier gums for me says my dentist. Now im able to even bike long trails with my son when i used to make up sorry excuses that mummy is too knackered and winded to do so. Damn shame to those years that analogs had separated me from spending quality with family.
And as a delivery driver, i have one apartment i deliver to who always orders heavy stuff who lives on the 3rd floor with no lifts in the complex. I can finally deliver without resting every 2 steps.

Thats what i told my co workers and then i introduced them to some eGo batts, a tank system for ease and they never looked back. I never referred them to buy those small cig a likes since there seems to be more disappointment than satisfaction from them.

 

[Skinr1]

The "odds of quitting are very low" so he doesn't want to try it. Or his wife.
I dunno what kind of "odds" you have of convincing this guy.
But you can throw a few indesputable facts out:
You "know" (here) hundreds of people who've quit cigs pretty quickly after starting vaping. Some with ease...
You're ingesting 3 or 4 chemicals, none of them known to be particularly harmful. Compare that to a cigarette any way you want...
For the "how do you know..." - geez, how do we know he's not an alien?

there some excellent points

 

[Recon Number 54]

Then I make them get closer and smell me.

Do they comment on your neck smelling like leather?

Oorah!

 

[danca90]

I tell all my friends to buy an ego, an evod, and some juice. If they don't like it, I'll buy it off of them.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I was put in the same position as you were with co workers about a year ago before i converted some to vaping. Yes the FDA currently doesnt approve that vaping as totally safe as some effects of inhaling nicotine are unknown and other issues as well. But what is proven is that it doesnt contain nearly as much chemicals as real cigs does ie tar, tobacco, stuff from napalm, stuff from nuclear weapons, etc. i cant remember all of them but there is a ridiculously long list. No second hand smoke.

Take a look at some supplier's ingredients to make juices. PG, VG, natural food flavouring and water. You can compare that to the ingredients of an analog.

Yes i have had side effects from vaping like headaches when i started because i chain vaped a yummy juice at 18mg nic and that was too much nic for me. Easy solution was to order juice at lowers mgs. Another one was that i was able to taste food again and enjoy it. Smoking analogs nearly killed my taste buds. Throat hit was experienced by the PG but it didnt do anything to me. All my experience in vaping was nothing but positive.

I think those of us on here prove as a testament as successful quitters of analogs. Lots of proud quitters on here by the hundreds if not thousands. I smoked analogs for 7.5 years heavily, been a drug user and was also an alcoholic before vaping. Im sure there are those who have smoked analogs WAY longer than i did and did more than 2-3 packs a day. We all chose that one day to crush the pack, move on and pick up the PV ritual to replace those darn killers. Be it one that is a healthy lifestyle which increases our longevity. No more coughing up those thick yellow phlegm for me and my hubby each morning. Healthier gums for me says my dentist. Now im able to even bike long trails with my son when i used to make up sorry excuses that mummy is too knackered and winded to do so. Damn shame to those years that analogs had separated me from spending quality with family.
And as a delivery driver, i have one apartment i deliver to who always orders heavy stuff who lives on the 3rd floor with no lifts in the complex. I can finally deliver without resting every 2 steps.

Thats what i told my co workers and then i introduced them to some eGo batts, a tank system for ease and they never looked back. I never referred them to buy those small cig a likes since there seems to be more disappointment than satisfaction from them.

Hey Mama,
I sure hope you are drinking plenty of fluids to keep the headaches away. Ecigs tends to rob moisture from our bodies and we have to keep replacing it. You will feel loads better too.

 

[Skinr1]

Read and print this and give to him.


CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

also direct him here and let him read for himself......

great info , i havent even seen that yet thanks

 

[naith_kk]

I do this whenever I encounter skeptics:

Ask if they know the contents of a tobacco cigarette. If they do and they know how much chemicals they inhale with one, then good.
Ask if they know the contents of an e-juice used in an electronic cigarette. (I'd show them the bottle content listing of an e-juice or look it up through my mobile phone)

Vaping might be dangerous because there's not much evidence to support it being completely safe. Well, smoking is already proven to be dangerous with a listing of toxic chemicals in each stick. The only way to be sure theres no danger is to stop entirely.

At least with vaping, you have some form of control... nicotine in gradual doses (36mg/24mg/18/9/6/Zero), even if vaping was harmful, you'd have an option to reduce your cravings for an addiction; something you don't have the luxury of doing with a tobacco cigarette.

And I would mention my own experiences, but normally, after mentioning these comparisons, I would already be asked to refer my favourite B&M I frequent.

But...

Reading your very first post - there was no mention of the wife wanting to quit smoking. You'll have to tell your friend that there's that possibility that his wife is just trend-changing... with no intention to stop. Seeing her continue to vape might translate to "failure" in his own point of view, so he needs to understand that. Just sayin'.

 

[Skinr1]

ok so this morn I spoke with him again and now I see why he is so skeptical , according to him a family member of his was a smoker and tried out an ecig back in 2010 , and about the end of the first month he became very sick noticing that he was not feeling well daily .
constant upset stomach head aches etc , this side effects he was having got so bad that he was hospitalized for 4 days because of it and actually had fluid built up in his left lung , that the doctors said was caused by the use of the ecig
hence that was the end of ecigs for him ....after 2 weeks of being off the ecig he was fine and returned to smoking and hasn't had any problems since , responding to this I just said well I guess ecigs aren't for everyone .
at least now I know why he is so skeptical and against his wife trying an ecig , because of a bad exp they had , now back in 2010 maybe ecigs weren't as advanced as they are today , Im no expert but im think maybe nicotine overdose in this situation and bad exp ?????
I mean certainly I can understand where he is coming from now anyone could clearly ecig use isn't for everyone , if an ecig put me in the hospital and it was proven the ecig was causing me to be ill of course that would be the end of ecig use for me as well . I think it would be for anyone . that was hospitalized from any product .

 

[beakerinDoverAr]

Though I'm sure vaping is tons better than smoking analogs,my own health wasn't as much of a priority for me.It was
my pink lunged little nieces and nephews running around that I was sure I was harming with clouds of chemical filled smoke.Now I am sure they are not being hurt by my clouds of vaper!