What's the point in DIY?
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Totally Wicked's bacon flavor needs a lot of improvement
I've made a bacon ice cream that was much better tasting than it can possibly sound.
Probably not that difficult, it sounds awful
I hear the "secret" ingredient is just a hint of crab.
Wow, there's just too much in here to address everything. I'll just go with the outstanding points.
Iffy, on bragging. Did you miss my little winky? That was a lighthearted statement with a winky to show it. I figured one of those emoticons would have made it clear.
Olef and Bassman, sorry that my bluntness came off as being rude. Yeah, I was blunt because I did mention in the op what supplier I was looking at. Also, if I could do it for a lot less than 7/8 bucks for 30ml, then it would be worth it. Heck, my figures didn't even factor in shipping, Bunsen burners, lab coats, eyedroppers, etc.
I think what I'm looking for is overall cost effectiveness. Yeah, maybe I can make something better than the vendor that I currently use. But do I want to spend the time and effort for it? Are the upstarts going to be really expensive? Do I have to scrounge around the couch cushions for an extra hundred dollars to find a savings? In the long run, I'll bet that's true. But, I haven't worked the hours for that money yet, and I'm still vaping.
This thread has given me a load of good information. I do appreciate good solid info and mentioning of places to go other than ONE STOP DIY SHOP. Apparently, they aren't the cheapest around, as I thought they would be. It's all in the name, here's what it says to me. "We have everything you need for your venture. You buy everything from us, and we can keep your costs down."
Iffy, on bragging. Did you miss my little winky? That was a lighthearted statement with a winky to show it. I figured one of those emoticons would have made it clear.
Olef and Bassman, sorry that my bluntness came off as being rude. Yeah, I was blunt because I did mention in the op what supplier I was looking at. Also, if I could do it for a lot less than 7/8 bucks for 30ml, then it would be worth it. Heck, my figures didn't even factor in shipping, Bunsen burners, lab coats, eyedroppers, etc.
I think what I'm looking for is overall cost effectiveness. Yeah, maybe I can make something better than the vendor that I currently use. But do I want to spend the time and effort for it? Are the upstarts going to be really expensive? Do I have to scrounge around the couch cushions for an extra hundred dollars to find a savings? In the long run, I'll bet that's true. But, I haven't worked the hours for that money yet, and I'm still vaping.
This thread has given me a load of good information. I do appreciate good solid info and mentioning of places to go other than ONE STOP DIY SHOP. Apparently, they aren't the cheapest around, as I thought they would be. It's all in the name, here's what it says to me. "We have everything you need for your venture. You buy everything from us, and we can keep your costs down."
It's all good!
But what on earth would you need a lab coat and bunsen burner for??
To complete the costume, of course. Actually, it makes some sense to experiment with the kit, that the first vendor sells. I didn't even look at it before. Comes with all I need, without having to figure it out. The price will be cheap enough because there wont be a hassle in shopping around just yet. With the kit, I'll have everything in front of me to know what to shop around for. A picture is worth a thousand words, and what better picture than a physical object picture.
So in what area of Indiana do you live? I was born in Richmond, IN.
I wish I was good as this at apologizing and being defensive at the same time. I probably wouldn't be divorced twice
Odd, I thought I replied to this last post before I took my shower. I had all the words typed out too. Now I'm just past it anyway. Short of it, it's an art form.
One thing you may want to consider about DIY is fact that you can reduce the mg per ml of nic slowly, I'm talking about reducing by 1mg at a time. Vendors of premade usually won't allow this. Not bragging(yes I am) but I went 0 mg as many others have. At about the 4th month I had to give up PG due to a sensitivity so now it's just VG and flavor. I got 1 gal of VG for FREE from P & G Chemicals so now I pay a whopping $.96 mixed at 20% flavor for 30ml. To me that's well worth DIY plus I get exactly what I want when I want it.
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Haven't read the thread but there are several reason why DIY is best and cheap. I will talk about no-nic first, give you a few ideas, then I'll try to find nic prices for you.
1st: The Reasons:
- Customizable flavors to your liking
- You can experiment to find the perfect juices for you:
- Mix a small amount to taste, easy to find which flavor you like and don't, without wasting more than 3ml of juice
- Flavoring that you don't like can easily be mixed with something else to make something you do like
- Find your preference in PG/VG mix
- Can be fun, feel like a pro/veteran
- Less dependency on your mailman, you can easily buy PG/VG at the pharmacy and flavoring at the bakery shop
- Much cheaper
- You can reuse your materials from your drug la... uhhh... science experiment kit
2nd: Price for 0mg: (you will be like
OMG)
Bases:
You can get 1 Gallon of PG and 1 Gallon of VG for around 80$ (40$ ea) USP grade etc. 1 Quart would be around 15$ ea, 1 Pint is LESS THAN 8$ VG 9$ PG. Cheap stuff.
If you need a quick fix, your pharmacy may have PG and has VG. 3$/100ml, 9$ the 500ml ends up being as cheap as if not cheaper than buying Pints online.
Flavoring:
This depends on what you like and what you have around you. Some buy the 9$/500ml bases from their pharmacy and then some flavoring from the bakery shop and don't need wait for the mailman, some order online but when they order buy local etc. Depends on which flavoring you like and how strong as well.
FlavourArt 5ml juices from liberty flights are often used at 5% and are 2.31$ (let's say 2.50$ after shipping). This means 5ml can make 100ml of juice on average. Flavouring/100ml is 2.50$ in this case.
Total: Brief summary: Price per L - 35$~50$~85$ Price per 30mL - 1.05$~1.5$~2.5$
Let's see how much OMG juice this makes
So I want 50/50 ish juice.
2 gallons (1 gallon of each base) makes 7.57 Liters of unflavored juice. Add flavoring to make it a total of 5% flavoring at LEAST makes 400ml of FA flavoring. This makes ~8 L of juice.
Price of 8L of juice is: 40$ 1 Gallon PG + 40$ 1 Gallon VG + 200$ (80x 2.50$) FA Flavor = 280$.
8L ----- Price per Liter - 35$ ------ Price per 30 ml - 1.05$
Yes this is in huge quantity and is basically the best case scenario.
Now for a NO HASSLE LOCAL price exagerated:
1L (500ml of each base) can easily be purchased at the pharmacy. LorAnn flavoring can be bought at local stores for 6~7$/fl. oz (vs online at 5~5.50$/oz and 4 oz for 15~16$). I will assume 15% flavoring here. The proportion would then be 1L of bases and 180ml of flavoring (6 fl.oz)
At worst, this costs 9$ PG + 9$ VG + 42$ (7$/oz) LA flavor = 60$ per 1.18L
1.18L ------ Price per L - 50.85$ ---- Price per 30ml - 1.53$
For small amount AND High concentrated ie: WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO:
Alright so say your pharmacy is a rip-off, or you are simply buying from madvapes, you get 4oz of base for 5$ ea. You want 20% LA flavor. This makes 2 oz of Flacor and 8 oz of base.
5$ PG + 5$ VG + 15$ LA flavor or madvapes @25+% (7.50$ ea oz) = 25$ for ~300ml.
300 mL -------- Price per L: 80~85$ --- Price per 30m: 2.50$
3rd: Price for nicotine juice, it is safe to say that it should be MAX double the price for 0mg.
P.S: I googled the prices very fast, there can be cheaper alternatives. I did not factor accessories needed as they are mostly a 1 time purchase and are very cheap. If you would like to share your cheaper alternatives, please do. I saw someone got VG at 15$/gallon?
1st: The Reasons:
- Customizable flavors to your liking
- You can experiment to find the perfect juices for you:
- Mix a small amount to taste, easy to find which flavor you like and don't, without wasting more than 3ml of juice
- Flavoring that you don't like can easily be mixed with something else to make something you do like
- Find your preference in PG/VG mix
- Can be fun, feel like a pro/veteran
- Less dependency on your mailman, you can easily buy PG/VG at the pharmacy and flavoring at the bakery shop
- Much cheaper
- You can reuse your materials from your drug la... uhhh... science experiment kit
2nd: Price for 0mg: (you will be like
OMG)Bases:
You can get 1 Gallon of PG and 1 Gallon of VG for around 80$ (40$ ea) USP grade etc. 1 Quart would be around 15$ ea, 1 Pint is LESS THAN 8$ VG 9$ PG. Cheap stuff.
If you need a quick fix, your pharmacy may have PG and has VG. 3$/100ml, 9$ the 500ml ends up being as cheap as if not cheaper than buying Pints online.
Flavoring:
This depends on what you like and what you have around you. Some buy the 9$/500ml bases from their pharmacy and then some flavoring from the bakery shop and don't need wait for the mailman, some order online but when they order buy local etc. Depends on which flavoring you like and how strong as well.
FlavourArt 5ml juices from liberty flights are often used at 5% and are 2.31$ (let's say 2.50$ after shipping). This means 5ml can make 100ml of juice on average. Flavouring/100ml is 2.50$ in this case.
Total: Brief summary: Price per L - 35$~50$~85$ Price per 30mL - 1.05$~1.5$~2.5$
Let's see how much OMG juice this makes
So I want 50/50 ish juice. 2 gallons (1 gallon of each base) makes 7.57 Liters of unflavored juice. Add flavoring to make it a total of 5% flavoring at LEAST makes 400ml of FA flavoring. This makes ~8 L of juice.
Price of 8L of juice is: 40$ 1 Gallon PG + 40$ 1 Gallon VG + 200$ (80x 2.50$) FA Flavor = 280$.
8L ----- Price per Liter - 35$ ------ Price per 30 ml - 1.05$
Yes this is in huge quantity and is basically the best case scenario.
Now for a NO HASSLE LOCAL price exagerated:
1L (500ml of each base) can easily be purchased at the pharmacy. LorAnn flavoring can be bought at local stores for 6~7$/fl. oz (vs online at 5~5.50$/oz and 4 oz for 15~16$). I will assume 15% flavoring here. The proportion would then be 1L of bases and 180ml of flavoring (6 fl.oz)
At worst, this costs 9$ PG + 9$ VG + 42$ (7$/oz) LA flavor = 60$ per 1.18L
1.18L ------ Price per L - 50.85$ ---- Price per 30ml - 1.53$
For small amount AND High concentrated ie: WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO:
Alright so say your pharmacy is a rip-off, or you are simply buying from madvapes, you get 4oz of base for 5$ ea. You want 20% LA flavor. This makes 2 oz of Flacor and 8 oz of base.
5$ PG + 5$ VG + 15$ LA flavor or madvapes @25+% (7.50$ ea oz) = 25$ for ~300ml.
300 mL -------- Price per L: 80~85$ --- Price per 30m: 2.50$
3rd: Price for nicotine juice, it is safe to say that it should be MAX double the price for 0mg.
P.S: I googled the prices very fast, there can be cheaper alternatives. I did not factor accessories needed as they are mostly a 1 time purchase and are very cheap. If you would like to share your cheaper alternatives, please do. I saw someone got VG at 15$/gallon?
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Recipe please?
Here's a few, and there's a link to more at the top of page two. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/215236-newb-diy-recipes-2.html
Also a few here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/one-stop-diy-shop/189445-recipe-contest.html
The nic base is alway the bigger expense and I think one stop is reasonable for a small quantity. I prefer to buy that way because I don't want to deal with anything above 48mg and I think nic changes flavor slightly after it's exposed to air. (I think most folks feel that nic changes very slowly and see no problem with storage.)
one stop: 30ml 48mg $10.50 before discount code.
box elder: 60ml 48mg $16.95
one stop: 30ml 48mg $10.50 before discount code.
box elder: 60ml 48mg $16.95
Voidmist 60 ml 60 mg/ml $5
60mg is not hard to work with. Voidmist shipping is also pretty reasonable.
60mg is not hard to work with. Voidmist shipping is also pretty reasonable.
You don't have to start with a slew of flavorings. I started with a bottle of vanilla from vaporrenue a bottle of pg from Walmart and some nic. Nice basic flavor.
I use em (One stop). I'm not sure where the $$ came from in the OP, so I gave mine below. As to my 1StopDIY reasons, and reasons for DIY in general....
1) They have pretty good supplies - I've had questionable VG from another vendor.
2) They often have "buy two for the price of three" sales
3) Good shipping and service.
4) I like DIY because it gives me lots of options and a better, although not perfect, idea of what goes into my e-juice. I'm tobacco free (free as I can be with any nic-juice), so I don't want tobacco flavorings with TA in them, for example. My choice. So I DIY.
Hey... there's a lot of options. Many other good venders too. Your question is a bit "loaded" since you only bothered to check one vendor and didn't publish all the math. And then it becomes a "who's cheaper than 1Stop?" thread. IDK if that was your intent.
As far as DIY cost calculations it's really simple, but it depends on things like the nic strength that you want to end up with and, how high of nic content are you willing to safely handle. You have to do the math depending on what you are willing to handle.
For me... last time I purchased nic-base from OneStopDIYShop....3 for 2 sale: 6 x 30ml of 48 mg 50/50 mix e-juice for $42.00, 8oz PG for 8.50 and $6.00 shipping.
That's not counting flavoring that I already had. So I can make 360 ml of 24 mg juice, have 2 oz of PG left over for next time, and it costs me a little under 16 cents per ml including shipping costs. (actually a bit less, since I still have 2 oz of PG left for next time). I vape about 2 or 3 ml per day. that's 30 - 48 cents per day juice cost (not hardware).
That's the math and actual examples. Now, I can probably find it cheaper elsewhere, particularly if I order in large quantities. But this is enough for several months anyway. And I've never had a problem with them... not to be a fan-boy or anything. Try some of the other vendors and just do the math if that is what it is about for you.
I like OneStopDIYShop. I like other vendors too. I'll occasionally order a pre-mixed flavor or supplies from another vendor... but mostly I stick to my own DIY now. It gives me options. I have supplies to tweak and/or cut juice if I want to. I have a rough idea of what goes into it (well, more so than I would buying pre-mixed). I save some cash. It's easy the way I do it, but I keep it simple.
If you are a "must have this vendor's flavor-x juice" person then DIY may not be for you. If you want to get to max cost savings, you have to shop around for sales, buy in quantity and handle high-nic stuff. If you like options and tinkering, DIY is a fun option with lots of vendors to choose from.
I don't think that OneStop is advertising that they are the lowest priced vendor on the planet. I guess you are just using them as an example. To be fair to them, I can say they have good service and I've never had an issue with their product, or shipping. But hey... there's lots of options. I go with ECF approved vendors. I at least take a good look at the ECF vendor list and the current sales. You have to decide what works for you.
1) They have pretty good supplies - I've had questionable VG from another vendor.
2) They often have "buy two for the price of three" sales
3) Good shipping and service.
4) I like DIY because it gives me lots of options and a better, although not perfect, idea of what goes into my e-juice. I'm tobacco free (free as I can be with any nic-juice), so I don't want tobacco flavorings with TA in them, for example. My choice. So I DIY.
Hey... there's a lot of options. Many other good venders too. Your question is a bit "loaded" since you only bothered to check one vendor and didn't publish all the math. And then it becomes a "who's cheaper than 1Stop?" thread. IDK if that was your intent.
As far as DIY cost calculations it's really simple, but it depends on things like the nic strength that you want to end up with and, how high of nic content are you willing to safely handle. You have to do the math depending on what you are willing to handle.
For me... last time I purchased nic-base from OneStopDIYShop....3 for 2 sale: 6 x 30ml of 48 mg 50/50 mix e-juice for $42.00, 8oz PG for 8.50 and $6.00 shipping.
That's not counting flavoring that I already had. So I can make 360 ml of 24 mg juice, have 2 oz of PG left over for next time, and it costs me a little under 16 cents per ml including shipping costs. (actually a bit less, since I still have 2 oz of PG left for next time). I vape about 2 or 3 ml per day. that's 30 - 48 cents per day juice cost (not hardware).
That's the math and actual examples. Now, I can probably find it cheaper elsewhere, particularly if I order in large quantities. But this is enough for several months anyway. And I've never had a problem with them... not to be a fan-boy or anything. Try some of the other vendors and just do the math if that is what it is about for you.
I like OneStopDIYShop. I like other vendors too. I'll occasionally order a pre-mixed flavor or supplies from another vendor... but mostly I stick to my own DIY now. It gives me options. I have supplies to tweak and/or cut juice if I want to. I have a rough idea of what goes into it (well, more so than I would buying pre-mixed). I save some cash. It's easy the way I do it, but I keep it simple.
If you are a "must have this vendor's flavor-x juice" person then DIY may not be for you. If you want to get to max cost savings, you have to shop around for sales, buy in quantity and handle high-nic stuff. If you like options and tinkering, DIY is a fun option with lots of vendors to choose from.
I don't think that OneStop is advertising that they are the lowest priced vendor on the planet. I guess you are just using them as an example. To be fair to them, I can say they have good service and I've never had an issue with their product, or shipping. But hey... there's lots of options. I go with ECF approved vendors. I at least take a good look at the ECF vendor list and the current sales. You have to decide what works for you.
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Thanks man, but I was asking about the Ben and Jerry one? That sounds yummy!
I have only found a couple of flavors from vendors that I really like. DIY allows me to make flavors tailored to my taste.
RTS Vapes 500mils 48mg pg based nic cost less than 50 dollars,Wiltons vg from hobby lobby is dirt cheap,flavors by flavor Art also cheap,No math needed here.
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