What's up everybody!? Dicodes or DNA75C/250C??

Status
Not open for further replies.

Alex Ferrara

Full Member
Apr 6, 2020
27
51
Hey y'all, my name is Alex and I'm from Chicago. Looking forward to linking with new people and discussing the vape life with fellow tooters. Also, I was just curious as to what people prefer nowadays. I know MOST people are on pod systems now (I have one too) but, nothing beats a good quality mod. Any who, out of curiosity, I would like to know what everyone/anyone's preference is when it comes to dna or Dicodes.
 
Last edited:

Alex Ferrara

Full Member
Apr 6, 2020
27
51
Appreciate the reply brother. I also, have had nothing but DNA's (DNA60, DNA75, DNA75C, DNA250C). Until now. I recently just bought a Dicodes Dani 21700. I've messed around with a Dicodes before (only a Dicodes Dani/Dani Mini, never a custom box) and I can assure you, Dicodes is also pure quality, consistency, and accurate. As far as customer service goes, I have emailed Dicodes directly (in Germany) a few times and have always gotten an answer back within a few days. As far as my Dani 21700 goes, I purchased it from CDV (which is famed for its C.S.). Not to mention, they're a direct distributor for Dicodes. I LOVE both Evolve and Dicodes. It'd be hard to choose between the two chip manufacturers. As said before, I just want to know everyones opinion (nowadays) on the two best chips in the game.
 

Alex Ferrara

Full Member
Apr 6, 2020
27
51
YiHi makes fine chipsets as well @Alex Ferrara.
Honestly brother, I'm going to have to disagree with you. But not entirely. Personally, Yihi had a PHENOMENAL chip with the sx350j & sx350jv2. V2 being the best out of the two. To me, that's factual and I put those chips in the same league as DNA and Dicodes. NO QUESTION. As of today, Yihi's chips have seen a decline in a qualitative sense. Not saying that they ALL work like .... but, I wouldn't put them in the same league as Dicodes or DNA anymore. I honestly put Yihi in a similar category as the (as of recently or most recent) GX chips, the Gene chips, and Axon chips. And there's nothing wrong with that imho. A lot of companies have caught up to the once "big 3". Unfortunately, imo, Yihi isn't one of them anymore.
 

Daniel Forsyth

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
  • Mar 26, 2019
    9,296
    56,170
    45
    Victoria, Australia
    Welcome to ECF Alex:thumbs:
    I'm really not a pod fan at all Mate, it's a good quality mod all the way for me!!
    In particular I'm an Asmodus man and I definitely give the DNA75c a Big thumbs up:thumb:
    image.jpeg
     
    • Like
    Reactions: Alex Ferrara

    Punk In Drublic

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Aug 28, 2018
    4,194
    17,518
    Toronto, ON
    Well if you're going to be classing things correctly @Alex Ferrara, no other chipset manufacturer is in the same category as Dicodes.

    They set the standard.

    Disagree with that. Evolv being first to the plate with both wattage and temperature control set the standard for all others to follow.

    In terms of performance, both rely on the accuracy of user input. You cannot achieve an accurate Temp Control without the proper TCR value. And hitting your target temperature is only one factor of performance. How the device acts in terms of modulating power is just as important. Below example comparing Dicodes to DNA as an example. The Dicodes is struggling trying to maintain a coil temp as depicted by it's spiky output. The DNA is much smoother.

    Pro's and cons to both environments. Dicodes is a chip and mod manufacture, they could employ a higher level of control when it comes to a complete package. DNA is a OEM, great board but no control over the final product. That said, DNA offer much more flexibility into dialing in the device to achieve a much more accurate output. DNA's also offer firmware upgrades - this is not only for bug fixes, but also to add additional features (board dependent)

    Dicodes uses TCR as a means of Temp Control. The rise in resistance is not linear as TCR dictates. TFR is a more accurate way to handle Temp Control which a DNA utilizes both TFR and TCR. That said, Dicodes do have their own wire to where they will have a much better understanding on how that wire reacts thus adjust their settings accordingly. But that is just one type of wire, not all.

    Dicodes are limited to around 80 to 95 watts depending on model. DNA's offer wattage's up to 400 watts. Higher wattage is not necessarily used for high wattage cloud chuckin' vaping. The Replay function of DNA's (which Dicodes lack) will use any wattage necessary (within the devices capabilities) to achieve the resistance curve that was set by the user.

    User interface is also drastically different between the 2. Navigating through a tiny screen is a daunting task to say the least. Being able to make adjustments, along with uploading customized themes with Evolv's Escribe software is so much easier.

    Both excellent devices that have set a benchmark for all others to follow. The best device is the one that suits the individual the most.

    Dicodes vs Evolv DNA75 TC.png
     

    Alex Ferrara

    Full Member
    Apr 6, 2020
    27
    51
    Well if you're going to be classing things correctly @Alex Ferrara, no other chipset manufacturer is in the same category as Dicodes.

    They set the standard.
    Hey, I agree. I was practically eluding to the samething but, it's with select things/areas of the vape industry and tech. Dicodes DOES infact do certain things better than DNA's but, Evolve/DNA has paved the way since the beginning of the regulated and TC game. That's why It's hard for me to pick ONE side between the two. They're both advanced and innovative in their own way. They're only seperated by two different schools of thought.
     

    Alex Ferrara

    Full Member
    Apr 6, 2020
    27
    51
    Welcome to ECF Alex:thumbs:
    I'm really not a pod fan at all Mate, it's a good quality mod all the way for me!!
    In particular I'm an Asmodus man and I definitely give the DNA75c a Big thumbs up:thumb:
    View attachment 878715
    Very good brother, lets try to bring mods back! Speaking of mods, she's a beaut!! Just becareful where you poke that "thumbs up" drip tip........ Pods are cool for stealth vaping no doubt but, certain mod makers are pushing out high quality devices that are also super tiny. Chips like the DNA75C and Dicodes fl80 (for example) have been jammed into some of those mods. Knowing that, I don't see why 90% of the vaping community keeps supporting pods over mods.
     

    Alex Ferrara

    Full Member
    Apr 6, 2020
    27
    51
    Disagree with that. Evolv being first to the plate with both wattage and temperature control set the standard for all others to follow.

    In terms of performance, both rely on the accuracy of user input. You cannot achieve an accurate Temp Control without the proper TCR value. And hitting your target temperature is only one factor of performance. How the device acts in terms of modulating power is just as important. Below example comparing Dicodes to DNA as an example. The Dicodes is struggling trying to maintain a coil temp as depicted by it's spiky output. The DNA is much smoother.

    Pro's and cons to both environments. Dicodes is a chip and mod manufacture, they could employ a higher level of control when it comes to a complete package. DNA is a OEM, great board but no control over the final product. That said, DNA offer much more flexibility into dialing in the device to achieve a much more accurate output. DNA's also offer firmware upgrades - this is not only for bug fixes, but also to add additional features (board dependent)

    Dicodes uses TCR as a means of Temp Control. The rise in resistance is not linear as TCR dictates. TFR is a more accurate way to handle Temp Control which a DNA utilizes both TFR and TCR. That said, Dicodes do have their own wire to where they will have a much better understanding on how that wire reacts thus adjust their settings accordingly. But that is just one type of wire, not all.

    Dicodes are limited to around 80 to 95 watts depending on model. DNA's offer wattage's up to 400 watts. Higher wattage is not necessarily used for high wattage cloud chuckin' vaping. The Replay function of DNA's (which Dicodes lack) will use any wattage necessary (within the devices capabilities) to achieve the resistance curve that was set by the user.

    User interface is also drastically different between the 2. Navigating through a tiny screen is a daunting task to say the least. Being able to make adjustments, along with uploading customized themes with Evolv's Escribe software is so much easier.

    Both excellent devices that have set a benchmark for all others to follow. The best device is the one that suits the individual the most.

    View attachment 878741
    While some of the things you have said aren't completely untrue, there are several things I would like to clear up. Starting with your example that was PART of a PBusardo's review. That chart in particular was not depicting the Dicodes to be "struggling" as you say. In fact, from the 1:00:00 mark all the way to the end, there was 2 charts/areas (out of a buttload), where the DNA did "better" in a sense. The chart you posted showed the Dicodes No° 6 (which is a BF60 chip) pulsing for a short amount of time when Phil dropped e-liquid onto the coil while firing. That said, it smooths out right away. The only other time it would "pulse", was when it couldn't deliver the required amount of wattage on a low resistance atty. Now, Phil did have a problem with his screen glitching here and there on the No° 6 but, that's not a common issue. May I remind you, that Phil himself even said and displayed charts proving that the Dicodes chip is more accurate than the DNA75 and most others out on the market. He even said/showed how the Dicodes BF60 is like no other chip he has tested when it came to consistency and accuracy. This is proven as soon as Phil pulled up charts displaying the differences between the BF60 and DNA75 when it came to the ACTUAL performance numbers. The Dicodes BF60 was shown to do EXACTLY what its supposed to do. Let alone what it claims to do. In layman's terms, if you're vaping on 5, 10, 20, 30, 45, or 60+ watts (at their respective resistances/ohms), the Dicodes is infact, outputing those numbers. It also reads resistances/ohms super accurately. Phil says/shows that the Dicodes No° 6 performed its advertised wattage across the WHOLE resistance line. Do you know how accurate and "smooth" that is brother? Especially considering that he had a faulty device. On the otherhand, just like (most) every other device/chip, the DNA wouldn't or didn't perform to those standards. Can it read ohms accurately/automatically? Yes, absolutely. Does it perform well overall? Yes, absolutely. But Phil showed that the DNA75 was inconsistent with its wattage output across the resistance line. At certain resistances, the DNA actually tapered off. Or at times, would output numbers that didn't match what was on the devices screen. It's pretty well excepted throughout the vaping community/world that Dicodes chips, are the overall most accurate and precise on the market to date. Not to mention, even people that hate Dicodes admit that it's the gold standard when it comes to TC. Now, I do agree that they could or should, change their menu system (though, I don't mind it). There's no reason why the menu can't be just as technical, all while being intuitive to cater to beginners as well. In terms of the colored/outdated screen argument, I have to disagree with you. Solely based on the fact that the colored screens in the DNA75C/250C are TFT displays. The screen in the Dicodes are OLED displays. TFT screens, aka LCD screens, are based on much older tech than an OLED. In actuality, they're called TFT LCD displays, which ISN'T top quality by any means. You see, Dicodes purposely utilizes a "black and white" screen only, at the moment. If they wanted to turn their OLED display into a colored screen, it wouldn't be that hard, according to Achim. Him and Georg are the main guys at Dicodes and Achim is incharge of the tech side of things (to put it short). Even without speaking to Achim, a little research on the web will tell you that turning an OLED screen to a colored one, wouldn't be that big of a change. In Achim's exact words,
    "Currently we use display formats, which are not available in a colored version. Technically, driving a colored display is the same as a monochrome. It is just that you need 3 times the data to be transferred (assuming the same number of pixels) and memory on the microprocessor." It just proves that they simply do what they want to do and prefer a highly technical yet, simplistic design/mindset. Aside from the colored display and lengthy (or as some say, outdated) menu system, a Dicodes chip is quite advanced and definitely not for beginners. Yes, the DNA75C/250C have colored screens, an easier menu to navigate, and allow the user to upload a picture of w/e they want on the screen (which is subjective and has nothing to do with performance) but, aside from that, there's nothing it can do that a Dicodes can't. Well, there's replay but, a lot of users claim that it doesn't work all the time and it's a "quicker" or "halfass" form of TC. I've never had an issue with replay but, I do think it's just another form of TC. Those 4 things are subjective and up to user preference so it's hard to look at them as a means to claim superiority. On the other hand, Dicodes can do (except aesthetic customization) everything a DNA can but, on the mod itsel. In terms of customizing your vaping experience/quality, Dicodes is very equipped. It doesn't need Escribe to input your mods resistance, battery curves, download .csv files for TC, or voltage cutoff. A DNA75C has an efficiency rating of 85% while a Dicodes Dani 21700/Dani Mini has an efficiency rating of 95%. A DNA250C has around 97-98% efficiency but, needs 2-4 batteries to unlock all of its performance potential. Some say the 250C is actually closer to 95-96% efficiency but, I can only speculate upon that info. Dicodes can truly OUTPUT (not input) 11+ volts off a single battery. 2 batteries would bump it up closer to 12 volts. Evolve boards use a 800mhz DC signal and a 8bit ADC sampling for resistance which is quite quick. A Dicodes though, uses a 2khz AC and a 16bit ADC which in theory, should make the Dicodes 2-3x quicker. AC electricity will always be more favorable than DC electricity. Mainly because it can almost instantly transform, to higher or lower voltage levels. Wattage levels will always be subjective to MOST people. Being able to hit 400 watts isn't a good selling point when you factor in how much more batteries you need, the increase of the mods size, and the fact that MOST people will never go that far. I'd also wager that 400 watts isn't needed to fog up a room. The Dani 21700 has a boost function that can hit 100 watts on a SINGLE battery, as long as it's charged, yet, most people don't ever use it. In your post, you were referring to the Dicodes BF60 chip (that's the chip PBursado reviewed in that video) and not the newer FL80 chip (which has a couple variations if im not mistaken). You should check that out if you haven't already. As a reminder, anytime I debated or pointed out anything from your post, it was in reference to the BF60 and DNA75 mentioned. Obviously, if I spoke on any others (fl80, dna75c, dna250c, etc.), it was to add onto the discussion.
     

    Alex Ferrara

    Full Member
    Apr 6, 2020
    27
    51
    While some of the things you have said aren't completely untrue, there are several things I would like to clear up. Starting with your example that was PART of a PBusardo's review. That chart in particular was not depicting the Dicodes to be "struggling" as you say. In fact, from the 1:00:00 mark all the way to the end, there was 2 charts/areas (out of a buttload), where the DNA did "better" in a sense. The chart you posted showed the Dicodes No° 6 (which is a BF60 chip) pulsing for a short amount of time when Phil dropped e-liquid onto the coil while firing. That said, it smooths out right away. The only other time it would "pulse", was when it couldn't deliver the required amount of wattage on a low resistance atty. Now, Phil did have a problem with his screen glitching here and there on the No° 6 but, that's not a common issue. May I remind you, that Phil himself even said and displayed charts proving that the Dicodes chip is more accurate than the DNA75 and most others out on the market. He even said/showed how the Dicodes BF60 is like no other chip he has tested when it came to consistency and accuracy. This is proven as soon as Phil pulled up charts displaying the differences between the BF60 and DNA75 when it came to the ACTUAL performance numbers. The Dicodes BF60 was shown to do EXACTLY what its supposed to do. Let alone what it claims to do. In layman's terms, if you're vaping on 5, 10, 20, 30, 45, or 60+ watts (at their respective resistances/ohms), the Dicodes is infact, outputing those numbers. It also reads resistances/ohms super accurately. Phil says/shows that the Dicodes No° 6 performed its advertised wattage across the WHOLE resistance line. Do you know how accurate and "smooth" that is brother? Especially considering that he had a faulty device. On the otherhand, just like (most) every other device/chip, the DNA wouldn't or didn't perform to those standards. Can it read ohms accurately/automatically? Yes, absolutely. Does it perform well overall? Yes, absolutely. But Phil showed that the DNA75 was inconsistent with its wattage output across the resistance line. At certain resistances, the DNA actually tapered off. Or at times, would output numbers that didn't match what was on the devices screen. It's pretty well excepted throughout the vaping community/world that Dicodes chips, are the overall most accurate and precise on the market to date. Not to mention, even people that hate Dicodes admit that it's the gold standard when it comes to TC. Now, I do agree that they could or should, change their menu system (though, I don't mind it). There's no reason why the menu can't be just as technical, all while being intuitive to cater to beginners as well. In terms of the colored/outdated screen argument, I have to disagree with you. Solely based on the fact that the colored screens in the DNA75C/250C are TFT displays. The screen in the Dicodes are OLED displays. TFT screens, aka LCD screens, are based on much older tech than an OLED. In actuality, they're called TFT LCD displays, which ISN'T top quality by any means. You see, Dicodes purposely utilizes a "black and white" screen only, at the moment. If they wanted to turn their OLED display into a colored screen, it wouldn't be that hard, according to Achim. Him and Georg are the main guys at Dicodes and Achim is incharge of the tech side of things (to put it short). Even without speaking to Achim, a little research on the web will tell you that turning an OLED screen to a colored one, wouldn't be that big of a change. In Achim's exact words,
    "Currently we use display formats, which are not available in a colored version. Technically, driving a colored display is the same as a monochrome. It is just that you need 3 times the data to be transferred (assuming the same number of pixels) and memory on the microprocessor." It just proves that they simply do what they want to do and prefer a highly technical yet, simplistic design/mindset. Aside from the colored display and lengthy (or as some say, outdated) menu system, a Dicodes chip is quite advanced and definitely not for beginners. Yes, the DNA75C/250C have colored screens, an easier menu to navigate, and allow the user to upload a picture of w/e they want on the screen (which is subjective and has nothing to do with performance) but, aside from that, there's nothing it can do that a Dicodes can't. Well, there's replay but, a lot of users claim that it doesn't work all the time and it's a "quicker" or "halfass" form of TC. I've never had an issue with replay but, I do think it's just another form of TC. Those 4 things are subjective and up to user preference so it's hard to look at them as a means to claim superiority. On the other hand, Dicodes can do (except aesthetic customization) everything a DNA can but, on the mod itsel. In terms of customizing your vaping experience/quality, Dicodes is very equipped. It doesn't need Escribe to input your mods resistance, battery curves, download .csv files for TC, or voltage cutoff. A DNA75C has an efficiency rating of 85% while a Dicodes Dani 21700/Dani Mini has an efficiency rating of 95%. A DNA250C has around 97-98% efficiency but, needs 2-4 batteries to unlock all of its performance potential. Some say the 250C is actually closer to 95-96% efficiency but, I can only speculate upon that info. Dicodes can truly OUTPUT (not input) 11+ volts off a single battery. 2 batteries would bump it up closer to 12 volts. Evolve boards use a 800mhz DC signal and a 8bit ADC sampling for resistance which is quite quick. A Dicodes though, uses a 2khz AC and a 16bit ADC which in theory, should make the Dicodes 2-3x quicker. AC electricity will always be more favorable than DC electricity. Mainly because it can almost instantly transform, to higher or lower voltage levels. Wattage levels will always be subjective to MOST people. Being able to hit 400 watts isn't a good selling point when you factor in how much more batteries you need, the increase of the mods size, and the fact that MOST people will never go that far. I'd also wager that 400 watts isn't needed to fog up a room. The Dani 21700 has a boost function that can hit 100 watts on a SINGLE battery, as long as it's charged, yet, most people don't ever use it. In your post, you were referring to the Dicodes BF60 chip (that's the chip PBursado reviewed in that video) and not the newer FL80 chip (which has a couple variations if im not mistaken). You should check that out if you haven't already. As a reminder, anytime I debated or pointed out anything from your post, it was in reference to the BF60 and DNA75 mentioned. Obviously, if I spoke on any others (fl80, dna75c, dna250c, etc.), it was to add onto the discussion.
    Disagree with that. Evolv being first to the plate with both wattage and temperature control set the standard for all others to follow.

    In terms of performance, both rely on the accuracy of user input. You cannot achieve an accurate Temp Control without the proper TCR value. And hitting your target temperature is only one factor of performance. How the device acts in terms of modulating power is just as important. Below example comparing Dicodes to DNA as an example. The Dicodes is struggling trying to maintain a coil temp as depicted by it's spiky output. The DNA is much smoother.

    Pro's and cons to both environments. Dicodes is a chip and mod manufacture, they could employ a higher level of control when it comes to a complete package. DNA is a OEM, great board but no control over the final product. That said, DNA offer much more flexibility into dialing in the device to achieve a much more accurate output. DNA's also offer firmware upgrades - this is not only for bug fixes, but also to add additional features (board dependent)

    Dicodes uses TCR as a means of Temp Control. The rise in resistance is not linear as TCR dictates. TFR is a more accurate way to handle Temp Control which a DNA utilizes both TFR and TCR. That said, Dicodes do have their own wire to where they will have a much better understanding on how that wire reacts thus adjust their settings accordingly. But that is just one type of wire, not all.

    Dicodes are limited to around 80 to 95 watts depending on model. DNA's offer wattage's up to 400 watts. Higher wattage is not necessarily used for high wattage cloud chuckin' vaping. The Replay function of DNA's (which Dicodes lack) will use any wattage necessary (within the devices capabilities) to achieve the resistance curve that was set by the user.

    User interface is also drastically different between the 2. Navigating through a tiny screen is a daunting task to say the least. Being able to make adjustments, along with uploading customized themes with Evolv's Escribe software is so much easier.

    Both excellent devices that have set a benchmark for all others to follow. The best device is the one that suits the individual the most.

    View attachment 878741
    Sorry for the small novel in advance. I kind of went overboard for no reason. Though, I am passionate about the whole ordeal. All b.s. aside, I love both DNA and Dicodes chips. They're the only chips worth using imho. I can truthfully say, I wouldn't be able to choose between the two. As much as I'll come across as an advocate of solely Dicodes now, I simply went that route to spark friendly conflict.
     

    Punk In Drublic

    Vaping Master
    ECF Veteran
    Aug 28, 2018
    4,194
    17,518
    Toronto, ON
    @Alex Ferrara - no problem with the long post. If I may, breaking up long posts into paragraphs makes for an easier read.

    The PBusardo test displayed a flaw with the output, that is not from him dropping juice on the coil. Watch the video again.

    As for accuracy - I would like to refer back to my comment on Dicodes being both a chip and mod manufacture where they can employ a level of control. To achieve an accurate output, all resistances from the board to the atomizer needs to be taken into account. Dicodes has the ability to take control of this and make adjustments where needed. DNA, being an OEM, does not. But allows the user to take control and adjust for such deficiencies. I have not seen a single objective review that has gone to such extent to ensure accuracy. No denying PBusardo's measurements have displayed a DNA was unable to accurately hit a target wattage, but other objective reviews have displayed a good level of accuracy.

    As for wattage's tapering off, this is due to the voltage output limitation of the device. As coil resistance increases, voltage must also increase in order to achieve higher wattage's. A DNA75C has a voltage output limit of 9 volts. The Dani Box V2 has an 11 volt output limit. Subjectively we can chalk one up for the Dicodes if one wishes to use high resistance at high wattage. But the DNA75C has a 30 amp output limit vs the 22 amp output of the Dicodes. So the DNA is better equip to handle lower coil resistances at higher wattage than the Dicodes. 6 of one half dozen of the other. You choose what suits your vaping style the most.

    As for the screen, if an OLED screen is a selling point then by all means choose a device that employs a OLED screen. Geekvape Legend X uses a OLED screen, does that automatically make it a better device over a DNA? The screen is one small (very small) aspect in the grand scheme of things. Subjective at best. But where the DNA excels over the Dicodes is allowing the user to choose what he/she wants to see on the screen. That may not have value to you, which is perfectly fine, but to many this comes at an extreme benefit. Ability to choose can't be debated.

    Replay is not a forum of Temp Control. It is resistance control - temperature has been taken out of the equation. Coil resistance is not being monitored based on a prescribed temperature, it is being monitored based on a users preferred vape. And it works exactly as advertised - those who claim it does not work is either projecting a biased opinion, or they have done something wrong.

    Your efficiency rating is just a "best of" static figure. Efficiency is not static figure and could vary from the 96% you claimed down to something as low as 70%, perhaps even lower.

    No comment on how each board samples resistance. What you have displayed are just spec numbers. Each would have to be measured and benchmark to determine what is best for the environment they are being used in. There are also points of diminishing returns. If it is concluded that a 2khz cycle is not needed to accurately read resistance, then the Dicodes is not utilizing the chip properly and something slower, cheaper and more efficient may have been a better choice. A 64 core AMD Threadripper is wasted if all the user is doing is playing Solitaire.

    400 watts with a DNA board is an option should one wish to achieve such high wattage's. Dicodes do not have such options. Again, we can't debate options. For myself, which is purely subjective, the wattage's in which I vape at makes Dicodes an extremely difficult purchase. I am better off with a dual cell device despite that I do not vape at 200 watt levels. That does not make the Dicodes a poor device, it just means it does not suit my needs, as it does not suit many needs.

    The point of my post was to display differences between each approach. We do not have a objective shoot out between the many boards each company offers, therefore all we have is subjective opinions. That is not conclusive enough to say one is better than the other. Both have their pro's and cons, there is no single perfect device. We choose what suits us the best - that then becomes the best device, whether it is a low powered pod, or some series mech. Again, we have options and as stated, they can not be debated!
     

    Alex Ferrara

    Full Member
    Apr 6, 2020
    27
    51
    Ok, sounds good.

    Trust me, I've watched that exact video several times. Including last night. The graph you posted showed the Dicodes pulsing when he used an extremely wet coil (he did several priming hits to pull juice into the coil). If you go and read my post again, I stated the few instances where he experienced pulsing. Not just the instance depicted on the graph you posted. I can send a link to that exact video if you like? I'm definitely not making this up brother.

    Dicodes is actually NOT a chip and mod manufacturer in the way that you think. The mod/chip making is a "subdivision" if you will, of Dicodes. A higher up in Dicodes was very passionate about vaping and decided to make his own, using the same principles and quality as the medical equipment. Dicodes is actually a company that makes tech/equipment for the medical field. Forgot to clarify that yesterday. In that PBursado video, he shows that the Dicodes No° 6 employed a level of accuracy that the DNA didn't/couldn't. Even though his device in particular had some faulty tendencies/issues. At the same time, I also stated that a DNA is more than capable despite those "deficiencies". My main line up (my all day, everyday vapes) is a Lost Vape Therion DNA75C and a Dicodes Dani Box 21700 (a custom/proprietary FL80 chip supposedly). I have a custom Lizard Box Mods Komodo 2.0 (DNA75C) coming in within the next week or 2. I had a DNA250C prototype that I just returned to Mario (Lizard Box Mods) a few days ago.

    Yes, this is true to an EXTENT. Any Dicodes will be better equipped at higher resistances and a DNA will be better equipped with lower resistances. The problem with that is, you can find many articles and several videos of people using a Dicodes to much lower resistances just like a DNA. I mean, Dicodes are rated and capable from 0.05 - 5 ohms. On the otherhand, DNA's will still have those deficiencies in the higher resistance range. Though, DNA's are more than capable of doing so. I mean, in PBusardo's video, the DNA75 wasn't entirely accurate even at lower ohms despite functioning just fine. I stated in my initial comment (or short novel) the voltage capabilities of both devices/chips and what kind of electricity they use. AC will always be more capable than DC. I've never received a "smoother" feeling vape or functionality because of this. Basically, all I'm trying to accomplish here, is diminish the biased statements made based off BOTH chipsets. At the end of the day, there will be people with personal preferences and both will have their pros and cons. I just don't want people to base their opinions off false/misinterpreted info.

    Unfortunately, either you misinterpreted my comment/info or you're assuming I'm solely a Dicodes user and pusher. I brought up the screen comparisons because YOU claimed that the Dicodes screen is outdated due to not having color, amongst other things. So I provided info/facts explaining why that's not necessarily the case. I've posted on YouTube comments and other forums that I RECENTLY just acquired my FIRST, personal Dicodes device. Before that, I solely used DNA's. I have several ways to prove this if you like. Back to the screen comparison, there's no denying that OLED is superior to TFT LCD displays. What you need to understand is the school of thought between Dicodes and DNA. I proved that if chosen to do so, Dicodes could easily make their screens colored just like a DNA but, they prefer the simplicity of their current displays. I was merely saying that if Dicodes implemented color, DNA's color screens wouldn't be that impressive to you (and anyone else). As they're only TFT displays which isn't the best choice when it comes to displays. I never said that it automatically made it a BETTER device overall, I said that it made it a better quality screen thats just as capable of a full-color display. Once again, I only stated this because you brought up the colored display of the DNA as an advantage or pro over the Dicodes. Also, I wouldn't say that displays/screens are a "very small aspect in the grand scheme of things", when it takes up 1/3 - 1/4 of ANY debate/argument between the two chips. Back to the point, of course, DNA's give you the ability to display what you want on the screen (I'm a fan of it), there's no debating that. However, we CAN debate whether or not having that choice, is an "advantage". Although you can't display everything you want on a Dicodes home screen, all that info can be checked or accessed in the vast options, within the menu. Some people can't stand looking at a bunch of info displayed on their device. Some see it as confusing, despite how crazy that sounds. Similar to the old debate between Apple and Android, that base principal is very much relevant/present in vape devices. Which would make this point subjective as well. Aside from the fact that display options have nothing to do with the performance of the mod/chip itself, when it comes to the actual vaping experience or accuracy of what you're doing. In essence, what good comes from having a picture of a puppy in the background of your screen? Or what good comes from being able to show any setting/stat on your home screen, when it's been proven to be inaccurate at times? That said, when I use a DNA I like the option a lot but, when I use a Dicodes, that option becomes less prevalent. I don't find it to be an inconvenience at all. I rather have superb performance over customization or "convenience". Not that a DNA doesn't execute great performance..

    Hmm, to my understanding (in short), TC allows you (or the mod) to control the temp by measuring the resistance of your coil. As you have said, when temp increases, so does the resistance. TC works best when your coils resistance has been locked at room temp, which in return, gives your mod more control or a more accurate measurement of the resistance. Which results in better TC. Now, Replay may have nothing to do with temp but, it does lock the resistance in a sense, in order to repeat or give you the best chance of aquiring that same hit, over and over again. It was literally created for people who DIDN'T want to mess around with TC or thought TC was too tedious/difficult. Both have been claimed to eliminate dry hits. All in all, both Replay and TC are used so a user can achieve the vape he or she desires. Which is why I said it's a form of TC. In terms of people being biased because they said that Replay won't/hasn't worked flawlessly, is a biased claim in and of itself. Nothing is 100% perfect or reliable. You can literally find many cases of people (more than I can count) claiming that their chip has shorted, fried completely, and jumped out of replay mode. At one point, DNA's had a very high return rate or percentage of faulty chips. Since then, they have changed that. On the otherhand, Dicodes has never really had a high return/failure rate. Granted, DNA's take up much more of the market share in the U.S.. In Europe, that's a difderent story. They much prefer Dicodes out there which is why Dicodes runs the vaping game over there.

    Yes, very true. The only way ANY mod could measure that kind of information/data ACCURATELY, is to have a built in multimeter, dc voltmeter, and/or dc ammeter, amongst other methods. That said, based off many accounts, it has been proven that Dicodes devices have a better battery efficiency when it comes to vaping time. Using the same batteries, same amount of batteries, and same wattage, a Dicodes typically lasts longer than a DNA. Unless you have used a Dicodes, let alone both, you wouldn't know or have an idea if that's typically true or not. I have used both and the only way I can prove that is to post a picture of two devices next to eachother.

    I actually said in my initial comment that PBursado shows the differences between the two chips, in that video, when it came down to how accurately they both fired wattages through a corresponding resistance. The Dicodes was the only one to literally read the resistances, output the advertised wattage, and output the advertised voltage accurately. They both read resistances accurately but, Dicodes has typically been able to do so more often. Dicodes is literally known to be the most accurate when it comes to reading resistances.

    Yes, it's an option if one requires such wattage levels but, as you have said, options are hard to debate. The average MTL vaper (including pod systems or starter kits) will vape between 10 - 25 watts. The average DL vaper will vape between 50 - 100+ watts. Typically, the average wattage used collectively (median) is probably around 25 - 60 watts. Then again, Europe is a big fan of MTL and restricted DL vaping, so it's more likely to be around 10-35 watts over there. The Dicodes Dani Box 21700 is an 80 watt device but, has a 100 watt boost function. All this is subjective and speculation so it's up to the user/individual to decide what's right for them.

    Im glad that we can come to an agreement on that brother! At the end of the day, whatever keeps you off the stinky's or cancer sticks is ALL that matters! Again, I love both DNA and Dicodes but, I find it interesting to hear everyone else's opinions on the matter. There's no need to get hostile when you can have a simple yet, intelligent conversation. Friendly debate and factual information (with exceptions) is the only kind of conversation or data I seek. Obviously, people's personal input, advice, or opinions are welcome. So long as the info given isn't outlandish or annoyingly biased.
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.

    Users who are viewing this thread