what's with all the mechs?

[yaypudding]

I think the main reason I use mechs apart from their simplicity and ruggedness is the ability to use coils of lower ohms.

I like to use dual micro coils and they separately come to about 1.6 ohms but together in parallel they're at .8 ohms, which I wouldn't be able to use on any of my vv/vw devices, I don't have any dna 20 mod devices.

I have 2 sigelei's, a k100 and a pair of sentinel clones, and a reo grand on the way, I have a RDA on each of them. They all perform about the same, they're all bottom buttons, so the only real difference would be aesthetic. i haven't measured voltage drop because I have run the same RDA on each of my mechs to a similar result, so I figure there's no need to be so scientific.

i recommend trolling some sites, and reading reviews. Stay away from anything people have to mod in order to get it working correctly, it'll just end up being a headache until you know what you're doing.

vaperev has a lot of nice high end mods but fasttech is a good source for cheap clones to get your feet wet.

and if you haven't tried a micro coil yet, you are seriously missing out.

 

[peterforpats]

I think the main reason I use mechs apart from their simplicity and ruggedness is the ability to use coils of lower ohms.

I like to use dual micro coils and they separately come to about 1.6 ohms but together in parallel they're at .8 ohms, which I wouldn't be able to use on any of my vv/vw devices, I don't have any dna 20 mod devices.

I have 2 sigelei's, a k100 and a pair of sentinel clones, and a reo grand on the way, I have a RDA on each of them. They all perform about the same, they're all bottom buttons, so the only real difference would be aesthetic. i haven't measured voltage drop because I have run the same RDA on each of my mechs to a similar result, so I figure there's no need to be so scientific.

i recommend trolling some sites, and reading reviews. Stay away from anything people have to mod in order to get it working correctly, it'll just end up being a headache until you know what you're doing.

vaperev has a lot of nice high end mods but fasttech is a good source for cheap clones to get your feet wet.

and if you haven't tried a micro coil yet, you are seriously missing out.

that's the nice thing about a dna20 mod- they act like a mech and will fire low ohm coils. just want a real mech for the experience and look......

 

[H. Hodges]

RTD vapor is a trusted source for batteries and chargers AW are a great choice. Ive herd the Smokteck Magneto is a pretty good mech for under a 100$ Segelei is just cheap copied crap IMO Im sure someone will come along and tell you for 20 they are great but seems to me they have lots of issues.

Grimm Green seems to agree with you. He did a vid on the Sigelei #19 on you tube where the mod appeared to have major issues. However, eh did one thing in the vid that nobody should ever do, he tried to use the mod with the battery installed upside down! This is a NEVER do/try! I suggest the Pure Smoker's Legacy. I have been vaping the Prodigy V3 for 4 years now and love it! Extremely rugged, threads buttery soft, still on the original spring/hardware with daily use. However, the P3's deep and wide drip well didn't have cross cuts for flush mounts. The Legacy takes all the good things about the Prodigy and addressed the safety and aesthetics issues the Prodigy had. Still under $100 for a device that could possibly last the rest of your life.

 

[Thrasher]

i like mechs because with the right coil and a good battery the experience is just so enjoyable. nothing to set, no extra stuff to worry about.
I run all mine around the .9 ohm range and get wonderful life off the 2900mah batteries i run. most of the time they are lighter, smaller and elegant in their simplicity. love my regulated mods but the class a nice mech has plus the feeling in the hand is just different somehow.

I will agree they arent for everyone and dont always give the best performance with every device. but throw a dripper or rba on there and wow. there is nothing like a dripper kicking it on a mech.
no muss, no fuss, I know exactly the way i need to make my coil, fill it slap a battery in and go, no charts, no settings, no screens and buttons and this and that. grab an extra battery and some juice, done

 

[Oomee]

Grimm Green seems to agree with you. He did a vid on the Sigelei #19 on you tube where the mod appeared to have major issues. However, eh did one thing in the vid that nobody should ever do, he tried to use the mod with the battery installed upside down! This is a NEVER do/try!

Why not upside down ?

 

[SissySpike]

you may be right but what issues can a metal tube have? it either fires or doesn't right? are the parts in a mech replaceable? is the material important or just for looks? while I love suggestions, I am the type who wants to know why, not that something "seems good". again, sorry if that sounds snide, I really want to know why one is better than another. if I asked about vv/vw no one would have any trouble explaining why a provari is a good choice. mechs seem to be a tougher nut to crack. maybe it just comes down to looks?

It comes down to craftsman ship and quality. These things do make a difference in performance. Some place in here there is a whole thread devoted on how to make your segelei work right. Someone pointed out there is one model that seems to be ok the dragon I think he said.

Its kinda like comparing a vamo to a Provari they both do the job but odds are your vamo is going to start having issues with in a few months. Personally I think Value is in quality and performance. Some people find value in cheap deal with the issues and just replace when it dose not work. That is purely a judgment call that has no right or wrong answer.

 

[scalewiz]

Upside down batteries? I see no problem. As long as the device doesn't fire accidentally or unintentionally. The coil doesn't care which end is positive or negative, and as long as the mod performs reliably there should be no issue.

DO NOT try this with any device that contains electronics of some kind. Reverse battery polarity will prevent them from working, and in some devices, can immediately destroy the electronics. But, in a mech, there is really no difference.

 

[Oomee]

Upside down batteries? I see no problem. As long as the device doesn't fire accidentally or unintentionally. The coil doesn't care which end is positive or negative, and as long as the mod performs reliably there should be no issue.

DO NOT try this with any device that contains electronics of some kind. Reverse battery polarity will prevent them from working, and in some devices, can immediately destroy the electronics. But, in a mech, there is really no difference.

That's what I thought too .
I have a 19, and put the battery in "upside-down" for two reasons .
It shortens the throw of the button to a reasonable amount , and it also prevent the upper spring from tearing the shrink wrap at the pos end of battery .

 

[coho72]

Not that you haven't got enough answers to make you crazy and even more confused than before you posted , lol , but I have a fair amount of experience with mech mods and I really don't want to offend anyone but that is almost impossible to avoid if you are going to share an opinion . I think and this is just "me" and "my" experience but a Sigelei mech might not be the best advice for someone wanting to give mechs a go for the first time. No matter what # you go with , there is usually some modification that needs to be done to them in order for you to have it perform well. That was a clean version of what I think of Sigelei mechs , (trying to avoid hate mail) lol. Anyway , I didn't read through the entire thread but the best built mechs with the lowest voltage drop and best quality material under $100 is EH Pro , followed by Rainbow Heaven and H Cigar. If you are looking to spend less than $50 , everybody suggesting a Smok Magneto are right on point. So that group of mechs right out of the box are going to usually perform very well with minimal modding. Good luck in your quest!

 

[Oomee]

Sigelei mods always bring to mind that line from Boris The Blade "Heavy is good , if it doesn't work you can always hit him with it"
As we don't need to be hitting people with our mods then ....
Oh yes , the 19 did require some changes to improve , and the RH stuff seems "better" .

 

[HDVaper]

that may well be on the list, but I don't think my present rbas will work- don't the require a special bottom fed rba? I kinda wnt to stick with what I already have......

I have a couple of cheap mechanicals and I use my Protanks with both of them. No problems so far.

 

[HDVaper]

That's what I thought too .
I have a 19, and put the battery in "upside-down" for two reasons .
It shortens the throw of the button to a reasonable amount , and it also prevent the upper spring from tearing the shrink wrap at the pos end of battery .

So THAT'S why I just noticed lately that a couple of my batteries have garfs in shrink wrap!

 

[scalewiz]

I would like to clarify my post just a little.

With side firing button mechs, it should make no difference if the battery goes in upside down. It should work fine either way.

BUT, if the mech mod has a bottom firing switch, this may not work with a button top battery. If the positive button on the battery extends down and contacts the firing switch when the mod is assembled, it will fire prematurely. This can be avoided by using flat top batteries.

If installing your batteries upside down, you should be careful upon first use and make sure this does not happen.

On the other hand, installing your battery upside down may shorten the throw of the firing switch, which may be desirable.

 

[umanbean]

I would like to clarify my post just a little.

With side firing button mechs, it should make no difference if the battery goes in upside down. It should work fine either way.

BUT, if the mech mod has a bottom firing switch, this may not work with a button top battery. If the positive button on the battery extends down and contacts the firing switch when the mod is assembled, it will fire prematurely. This can be avoided by using flat top batteries.

If installing your batteries upside down, you should be careful upon first use and make sure this does not happen.

On the other hand, installing your battery upside down may shorten the throw of the firing switch, which may be desirable.

WTH???

Ya'll please... just put your batteries in right-side up!

Sure, it'll work but:

If the battery is in upside down, the body of the mech is energized positive. If there is a nick or tear anywhere on the insulated shrink-wrap on the batt, and the body of the battery touches the body of the mech, you have a dead short!

That's a chance I'm not willing to take. I'll put mine in the way they're supposed to be.

 

[Oomee]

WTH???

Ya'll please... just put your batteries in right-side up!

Sure, it'll work but:

If the battery is in upside down, the body of the mech is energized positive. If there is a nick or tear anywhere on the insulated shrink-wrap on the batt, and the body of the battery touches the body of the mech, you have a dead short!

That's a chance I'm not willing to take. I'll put mine in the way they're supposed to be.

Wrong .
The names are terms of convention without practical meaning ..... do electrons carry a negative or positive charge .... don't think there is an answer to that question yet .

Add to this that you need a closed circuit for current to flow ... so if you have a closed circuit fault condition , it matters not which way the battery is in a mech mod .

Scalewiz was correct in that you must ensure "upside down" doesn't interfere with the switch operation , but outside of general safe operating questions , again upside down means nothing in a mech mod.


Edit : Sounds much snottier than I actually intended , sorry .

 

[SissySpike]

Wrong .
The names are terms of convention without practical meaning ..... do electrons carry a negative or positive charge .... don't think there is an answer to that question yet .

Add to this that you need a closed circuit for current to flow ... so if you have a closed circuit fault condition , it matters not which way the battery is in a mech mod .

Scalewiz was correct in that you must ensure "upside down" doesn't interfere with the switch operation , but outside of general safe operating questions , again upside down means nothing in a mech mod.


Edit : Sounds much snottier than I actually intended , sorry .

I agree it dose not matter witch way you stick your battery unless it causes your mod to not fire right. Some unregulated mods with electronic switches you have to put the batteries in backwards. It dose not cause stress on your battery.

I would not buy a mod that is made so poorly it tears my batteries.

 

[umanbean]

Wrong .
The names are terms of convention without practical meaning ..... do electrons carry a negative or positive charge .... don't think there is an answer to that question yet .

Add to this that you need a closed circuit for current to flow ... so if you have a closed circuit fault condition , it matters not which way the battery is in a mech mod .

Scalewiz was correct in that you must ensure "upside down" doesn't interfere with the switch operation , but outside of general safe operating questions , again upside down means nothing in a mech mod.


Edit : Sounds much snottier than I actually intended , sorry .

I'm not talking about direction of current flow, I'm talking about greatly increasing the possibility of something touching something that's not supposed to touch.

Thing is, the "positive" post on a battery is a "button" on one end, isolated (insulated) from the rest of the battery body. It contacts a "button" on the device. The negative is the battery body, not just the bottom exposed part, and would not matter if any or all of it touched the mech body.

When placed in correctly, there is no way for the button (positive) to touch the mech body.

When upside down, the "positive" is touching the mech body.

If any part of the battery body then touches any part of the mech body, current flows right?

 

[SissySpike]

Thing is, the "positive" post on a battery is a "button" on one end, isolated (insulated) from the rest of the battery body. It contacts a "button" on the device. The negative is the battery body, not just the bottom exposed part, and would not matter if any or all of it touched the mech body.

When placed in correctly, there is no way for the button (positive) to touch the mech body.

When upside down, the "positive" is touching the mech body.

If any part of the battery body then touches any part of the mech body, current flows right?

Not necessarily It depends on the mods design. It has been pointed out reversing the battery may not work in some designs. You should make sure it dose not fire on its own if you reverse the battery.

 

[dhomes]

For tube mods, besides looks & pricing, you would care about a device with the least voltage drop, the lower you go with the sub-ohms the more current that will flow and the more drop you will suffer at the connections

One of the best performers is a mid-range one, beats some mods 4x the price:

The EH Pro EA Clone:
EHPRO EA CLONE [EHPROEA] - $53.99 : Buckys Bargain Vaping, Discount Vaping Supplies
it uses gold at the connections

Another GREAT one (which SHOULD be better as it uses silver, which is more conductive than gold)
The Chi You Clone
$29.08 Nemesis Mod / E-Cigarette Battery Compartment - stainless steel / with telescopic pin at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

For $27 I would take one of those over any sigelei, any day

 

[XeniaMike]

Not what you had in mind, but my favorite practical mechanical mod is the REO Grand.

REO Grand Setup by super_X_drifter

REO's are great, I love mine BUT....there is no way to get an RSST tank onto it because the juice cup is too deep so I may have to get a tube mech. I think he is offering a really nice bottom fed RBA on his site now tho.