What's the appeal of Mech's and Dripper's?? I don't get it.

[treehead]

Weeeeellll...

I do like the 3D, but it has its quirks. It's a dripper with a tank. Main con is that is has the flaws of both a dripper and a tank while not really offering the convenience of either. It does have a tank, but you still have to vape the deck bone dry to keep it from leaking. It is a dripper, yet you have to pick it all apart, coils and all, to clean it out to change flavors.

As a single-flavor at-home atty, it's great. It won't replace any of my other setups. I just see it as a nice addition. For me it doesn't really answer the question "Why not just use a gennie... or a dripper?"

Yeah I respect that man, it sounds like it's the solve all topper, but it has some quirks. I've found the real quirks about it is *flooding, and the *chamber is too big. Pbusardo had a problem with leaking but that's only because he flooded it, there's no need to vape it bone dry, what you really need to do is suck all of the excess back into the reservoir, which is the tricky part. I often didn't remember which way to lean it to get it to squirt more, or evacuate more once it ran low. If you tilted it the wrong way it would push juice onto your deck, but wouldn't suck out again, and that's where the leaking comes from, not because it needs to be bone dry. And the 2ml tank really isn't that large to begin with, it's gone in no time because it still vapes like a train, if you wanted to change the flavor. Personally (I didn't use it much lol), if I wanted to change the flavor I sucked out the bulk of it with my dropper and simply rinsed everything in the sink under running water, it's actually much easier to change flavors in than a tank. If you want to change flavors often, then carto's definitely arent a good solution because you have to take those apart to get the old flavor out. With the 3d you just pull the cap off and rinse, if you change flavors often then the best solution is honestly a small dripper. That or have alot of tanks laying around , which I did a while ago, since then they've made ex-smokers I know very happy .The other reason other than the annoying fiddlyness the 3d wasn't epic was the large chamber, and the fact that the airflow didn't always line up with the coils once you depressed it. It made for somewhat whispy vapor, and pretty cool. Still 2x better than my russian 91%'s performance, but not satisfactory for a dripper whatsoever. It's the perfect mediocre middle-ground lol.

 

[edyle]

Yeah I respect that man, it sounds like it's the solve all topper, but it has some quirks. I've found the real quirks about it is *flooding, and the *chamber is too big. Pbusardo had a problem with leaking but that's only because he flooded it, there's no need to vape it bone dry, what you really need to do is suck all of the excess back into the reservoir, which is the tricky part. I often didn't remember which way to lean it to get it to squirt more, or evacuate more once it ran low. If you tilted it the wrong way it would push juice onto your deck, but wouldn't suck out again, and that's where the leaking comes from, not because it needs to be bone dry. And the 2ml tank really isn't that large to begin with, it's gone in no time because it still vapes like a train, if you wanted to change the flavor. Personally (I didn't use it much lol), if I wanted to change the flavor I sucked out the bulk of it with my dropper and simply rinsed everything in the sink under running water, it's actually much easier to change flavors in than a tank. If you want to change flavors often, then carto's definitely arent a good solution because you have to take those apart to get the old flavor out. With the 3d you just pull the cap off and rinse, if you change flavors often then the best solution is honestly a small dripper. That or have alot of tanks laying around , which I did a while ago, since then they've made ex-smokers I know very happy .The other reason other than the annoying fiddlyness the 3d wasn't epic was the large chamber, and the fact that the airflow didn't always line up with the coils once you depressed it. It made for somewhat whispy vapor, and pretty cool. Still 2x better than my russian 91%'s performance, but not satisfactory for a dripper whatsoever. It's the perfect mediocre middle-ground lol.

Sounds easy enough to fill or top up; you can literall squirt some in the chamber , flooding the coil, and fart suction it down in the tank ppffffffffffffffffttttttttttttt

lol

 

[WattWick]

Yeah I respect that man, it sounds like it's the solve all topper, but it has some quirks. I've found the real quirks about it is *flooding, and the *chamber is too big. Pbusardo had a problem with leaking but that's only because he flooded it, there's no need to vape it bone dry, what you really need to do is suck all of the excess back into the reservoir, which is the tricky part. I often didn't remember which way to lean it to get it to squirt more, or evacuate more once it ran low. If you tilted it the wrong way it would push juice onto your deck, but wouldn't suck out again, and that's where the leaking comes from, not because it needs to be bone dry. And the 2ml tank really isn't that large to begin with, it's gone in no time because it still vapes like a train, if you wanted to change the flavor. Personally (I didn't use it much lol), if I wanted to change the flavor I sucked out the bulk of it with my dropper and simply rinsed everything in the sink under running water, it's actually much easier to change flavors in than a tank. If you want to change flavors often, then carto's definitely arent a good solution because you have to take those apart to get the old flavor out. With the 3d you just pull the cap off and rinse, if you change flavors often then the best solution is honestly a small dripper. That or have alot of tanks laying around , which I did a while ago, since then they've made ex-smokers I know very happy .The other reason other than the annoying fiddlyness the 3d wasn't epic was the large chamber, and the fact that the airflow didn't always line up with the coils once you depressed it. It made for somewhat whispy vapor, and pretty cool. Still 2x better than my russian 91%'s performance, but not satisfactory for a dripper whatsoever. It's the perfect mediocre middle-ground lol.

I believe you are more versed in drippers than I am. I just recently started playing with them again after not using one for about a year. I'm just not that into ... well... the dripping part of it. Which makes the 3D as you say "the perfect mediocre middle-ground"

By leaking I mean I wouldn't pocket it. As long as it stays upright on my desk it's a non-issue. I fill the tank and flood the deck almost up to the wick / air hole, and it's good to go for a good while. And thanks to the "farting", I can tell when it's time to re-fill. That's a bonus to me. I also use mesh in mine, so the coil won't budge no matter how much I squish it.

 

[Marc411]

Flavor and I like to tinker when I am working from home at night. Building coils and finding a juices sweet spot (just sounds wrong) is enjoyable to me.

The flavor can't be match or at least on the devices I have they can't so I go mechanical.

 

[phanto]

What's the appeal of Mechanical mod's and Dripper's????? I've got them, and don't think much of them. I much prefer my VW devices and Tank systems (Kayfun/Taifun/Aqua). I use one of 2 devices daily either a DNA20 Futura or my Semovar (15w) and think they are a much better option...

Even when I've built drippers in the .7 and .8 range (as low as my DNA20 will fire) comparing the vape from that dripper in a Nemesis with a VTC5 battery vs my DNA20, I personally think the vape is stronger, thicker from the DNA20...

The only real appeal I see to the Mech's is price, and then only the clones. The genuine stuff (while worth every penny I'm sure ) is just as much as a high end VW device.

Obviously I'm missing something, just curious what it is. ????

Could not agree more. You are not missing anything!

 

[neutrontech]

If you don't notice a difference between a dripper on a mech and a tank in a vv/vw mods, then you did something wrong.

I started tinkering with rebuildables and I absolutely love the vapor production. I use a tank on the road, but at home it's almost entirely mech and drippers.

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[treehead]

Mechs: for mod manufacturers who are talented in metalworking, woodworking, carving and whatnot but can't do electronics if their lives depended on it. Also for vapers who haven't tried a proper regulated power supply, for fashionistas, and for the manufacturers who cater to them because there's a market for dangerous, turn-of-the-previous-century technology.

Dripping: unfortunately, the best tasting vape. I say unfortunately because dripping is a pain in the ..... Some forms of dripping are semi-automated (bottom- or top-feeding) but they're still too much work for my taste.

Lol you don't drip, but you know the argument is won. And calling us fashionistas is just ridiculous, I really don't take offense to it, but I don't get it, they're simple tubes of metal with the occasional engraving, without the engravings they'd be plumbing with contacts. I personally have a bachelors in Bio-sciences and am currently working towards my BA in electrical engineering, and have a passion for physics and progressive electronics. I own a beautiful titanium Futura DNA30 that I wouldn't trade anything for, but I still prefer mechanical mods for 95% of my all day vapes because I almost* always prefer a coil/dual-coil below 0.5Ω's and those darn safety features built-in for those individuals that can't calculate their own wattages, or build their own coils without blowing their mod up really frustrate me because even though you pay $100-200 for a fancy kick with an Ω reader (it's really not hard to understand electronics, I bet most mechanical mod manufacturers could make a provari if they wanted to, you buy a limiter chip, and solder it to an LCD screen and batter contacts, that's all) they won't let you vape the good stuff in lower ohms because let's face it; it's dangerous and alot of individuals who buy the VV/VW's simply want it because it makes things simpler, and you don't have to know how anything works to use them, if they don't know the basics of a circuit, then they're likely to end up in the hospital. All you need to know is if your battery is charged, and what wattage you like, but with a little easy intuition you can have 80 watts if you'd like on a .01 coil (nobody would want that but just making a point that it's freedom, not fashion, or ignorance of technology). Again I love my futura because it can push my battery past 30watts if I want it too, but that's only for the big, relatively slow heating coils that I only occasionally use above .5ohms. I like instant 1 second pulls, resulting in a lungful of dense, flavorful vapor that a provari or even a DNA20 can't give me. The DNA30 comes close but no cigar.

Most who don't drip prefer VV/VW's because a mechanical mod would fry their setup, plain and simple. They aren't made for self-dripping systems because they never wick fast enough. Unleashing a mechanicals uncontained battery would vaporize all the juice in a kayfun, much less a poor cartomizer, in a matter of seconds and then ignite the cotton before the wicking can even think about crawling to the coils. Unless your dripping your juice right on your coils, sooner or later you'll find the need to get a device that will let you tone down your battery to accomodate wicking speed to certain juice thicknesses.

I really don't understand the fashionista thing, I use the most advanced VV/VW (other than the GI2) and I still realize the better potential of mechanical mods, and I'm certainly not a caveman who can't "do" electronics if my life depended on it, have you built your own dna20 modular mod? Because I have, and it was easy, and fun. . I'm not hating on you brother really, just explaining my side of the story .

~Here's some examples where VV/VW devices cater to a fashionista crowd, I think you've got it a little backwards. I bet you can't find too many rainbow colored mechanical mods. They're all simple, and almost always about function, not form.
VV/VW's

 

[dykealiscious]

So, noob question, but I understand the kick is a battery ramp up device of some kind, right? or consistency, or or or? Help me out...how does one install one on your mech mod and where do I get one. I've googled it but what I find looks like some kind of secret spy telephone bug so I want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing.

 

[neutrontech]

So, noob question, but I understand the kick is a battery ramp up device of some kind, right? or consistency, or or or? Help me out...how does one install one on your mech mod and where do I get one. I've googled it but what I find looks like some kind of secret spy telephone bug so I want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing.

You are. It's a little round circuit board that goes in the battery tube on top of your battery.

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[edyle]

So, noob question, but I understand the kick is a battery ramp up device of some kind, right? or consistency, or or or? Help me out...how does one install one on your mech mod and where do I get one. I've googled it but what I find looks like some kind of secret spy telephone bug so I want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing.

It takes input from the battery and outputs something different.
So for example on a VV device, it might draw from the battery at 4 volts, but give you an output at 5 volts.

It would usually also give you some basic safty features:
Sigelei kick:

Details:
•Matching with atomizer in a resistance of 1.5ohm-3.0ohm
•Variable wattage: 5W-15W in 1W increment or decrement
•POR: After power on reset, the KICK will get into the alert status if no atomizer installed
•Low voltage protection (below 3.2V)
•Low resistance protection (below 1.0ohm)
•Short circuit protection
•Match with any kind of SIGELEI Telescope, and most full mechanical mods

 

[dykealiscious]

It takes input from the battery and outputs something different.
So for example on a VV device, it might draw from the battery at 4 volts, but give you an output at 5 volts.

It would usually also give you some basic safty features:
Sigelei kick:

Thanks all!

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[Maurice Pudlo]

Lol you don't drip, but you know the argument is won. And calling us fashionistas is just ridiculous, I really don't take offense to it, but I don't get it, they're simple tubes of metal with the occasional engraving, without the engravings they'd be plumbing with contacts. I personally have a bachelors in Bio-sciences and am currently working towards my BA in electrical engineering, and have a passion for physics and progressive electronics. I own a beautiful titanium Futura DNA30 that I wouldn't trade anything for, but I still prefer mechanical mods for 95% of my all day vapes because I almost* always prefer a coil/dual-coil below 0.5Ω's and those darn safety features built-in for those individuals that can't calculate their own wattages, or build their own coils without blowing their mod up really frustrate me because even though you pay $100-200 for a fancy kick with an Ω reader (it's really not hard to understand electronics, I bet most mechanical mod manufacturers could make a provari if they wanted to, you buy a limiter chip, and solder it to an LCD screen and batter contacts, that's all) they won't let you vape the good stuff in lower ohms because let's face it; it's dangerous and alot of individuals who buy the VV/VW's simply want it because it makes things simpler, and you don't have to know how anything works to use them, if they don't know the basics of a circuit, then they're likely to end up in the hospital. All you need to know is if your battery is charged, and what wattage you like, but with a little easy intuition you can have 80 watts if you'd like on a .01 coil (nobody would want that but just making a point that it's freedom, not fashion, or ignorance of technology). Again I love my futura because it can push my battery past 30watts if I want it too, but that's only for the big, relatively slow heating coils that I only occasionally use above .5ohms. I like instant 1 second pulls, resulting in a lungful of dense, flavorful vapor that a provari or even a DNA20 can't give me. The DNA30 comes close but no cigar.

Most who don't drip prefer VV/VW's because a mechanical mod would fry their setup, plain and simple. They aren't made for self-dripping systems because they never wick fast enough. Unleashing a mechanicals uncontained battery would vaporize all the juice in a kayfun, much less a poor cartomizer, in a matter of seconds and then ignite the cotton before the wicking can even think about crawling to the coils. Unless your dripping your juice right on your coils, sooner or later you'll find the need to get a device that will let you tone down your battery to accomodate wicking speed to certain juice thicknesses.

I really don't understand the fashionista thing, I use the most advanced VV/VW (other than the GI2) and I still realize the better potential of mechanical mods, and I'm certainly not a caveman who can't "do" electronics if my life depended on it, have you built your own dna20 modular mod? Because I have, and it was easy, and fun. . I'm not hating on you brother really, just explaining my side of the story .

~Here's some examples where VV/VW devices cater to a fashionista crowd, I think you've got it a little backwards. I bet you can't find too many rainbow colored mechanical mods. They're all simple, and almost always about function, not form.
VV/VW's

That's the only Provari I've ever found attractive. I still wont hit it, but it looks nice.

Maurice

 

[Giraut]

Lol you don't drip, but you know the argument is won.

Ah, but I do drip And I drip with a VW mod too.

And calling us fashionistas is just ridiculous [...] but I still prefer mechanical mods for 95% of my all day vapes because I almost* always prefer a coil/dual-coil below 0.5Ω's and those darn safety features built-in for those individuals that can't calculate their own wattages, or build their own coils without blowing their mod up really frustrate me

Look, those "damn safety features" are there for a reason: if something goes awry with your setup, you can set your house on fire. You may know how to build a working low ohm coil, but shorts can happen elsewhere - malfunction in the RDA, in the mod's socket... It may not happen often (although some RDAs like the Mini A7 are prone to shorting inside the main body and it's not that rare), it may be a freak occurence, but when it does happen with a mech, you can set your house on fire, or the battery can blow up in your hand. Likewise, if you forget to lock your mech's button, put it in your handbag and something pushes on it, you can set fire to your handbag and hurt yourself.

No safety is stupid. I'll trade "immediate dense vapor" for safety anyday.

As for fashionistas, you yourself may know what you're doing, and you may do it for very good reasons, but a lot of posts here on ECF seem to amount to "I want to go mechanical because it's for vaping Gods" or "I want to build a 0.05 ohm coil because I'm trying to hit a world record" or something. Doing mechs and low ohm coils for these reasons is called following a fashion, and many manufacturers pander to it to increase sales.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Hey if someone wins a Darwin award, they win the award. Why prevent people competing for this very prestigious award?

Maurice

 

[ScottiePumalate]

.3 dual coil on my cats. Tastes good and clouds for dayzz


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[Dusif]

The appeal




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[Sirius]

That's the only Provari I've ever found attractive. I still wont hit it, but it looks nice.

Maurice

Me either Maurice!

 

[Bigflyrodder]

Reading through these posts I'm a bit confused by the conflict in general. There are almost unlimited ways to vape with the gear available and I don't personally think any of them are wrong. There are some styles or attitudes I don't agree with simply because I don't think they are helping with the general publics' opinion of vaping but to each their own.

I may not agree with how or what someone else vapes but that is usually either because I had tried what they are describing and moved onto something else I find supior or simply because I don't understand.

Here is a basic case in point: how many of you have actually used a good cartotank set up? I know almost everyone turns their nose up at them and I did as well, thought "pfft...cartos are so old school, KFL+s/RDAs/etc. is where it's at today" but then I tried a good cartotank set up and was floored. Incredible flavor, amazing throat hit, and holy vapor! Just redonkulous. My point is that I hadn't really experienced what others were touting and dismissed it. I'm not saying I will be a cartotank vaper on a regular basis but man what an eye openner.

Vaping style is just that, style.

*rant mode off*

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

Sure there are many methods of how to get your vape on, the question is why such a following for mechanicals and drippers.

I suppose its just one of many ways to get from point A to point B.

Granted the provari route may well be safe, safe like driving a Volvo S60R vs. a fully tricked out EVO, sometimes it isn't so much the destination but the process of getting there that matters.

Sometimes reliability and uniformity is the last thing you want, pushing limits comes with an expectation that things aren't always going to work out. If you've ever owned a really heavily modified vehicle you know what I mean, they just aren't hop in and drive 3000 miles sort of deals. You run a hundred or so and something breaks, its the nature of the beast.

I for one like to know how something works, and would rather not have the safety package. Its just a matter of preference, involving my brain more than someone else's idea of safe is where I enjoy life. Electronics take that away.

Now I'm not a huge risk taker, but I enjoy the freedom to explore my own boundaries, 0.38 ohm single coils are about it for me, and that's about it (not extreme, but way under what some electronic devices will allow), I'm also okay with 1.3 ohm coils (vaping on one now).

I prefer the freedom that mechanicals afford, I prefer the simple aesthetic they have, and I prefer the vape not to be utterly unchanging.

There is something to be said for electronic devices, carto tanks, they are huge time savers, and likely afford a certain type of user everything they need. That's not what I want out of vaping.

Maurice

 

[Sirius]

More appeal..lol

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