What's your Plan A for a Zombie Outbreak?

[BradSmith]

Amatuer! He just ruined those barrels for good. He's definately going down when the Zompocalypse happens. Such mis-treatment of such a fine work of gun building art is punishable under the Zombie Rules of Engagement!

Hmmm, you could be right I know I took the blueing off of a SAW once, but I think these bad boys are built to last.

How about one of these.

YouTube - knob creek fall 08 night shoot flame throwers

 

[whynotvap]

YouTube - ge Minigun barrels glowing

This would probably help a little bit.

edit: just so everyone knows this is completely legal to own and fire.

Depends on what state you live in... Also, there are only about a half dozen that are eligible for transfer as pre May 1986 samples. Otherwise you will have to not only obtain and maintain a Class 3 FFL (for full auto guns) you will also need to get a letter from a police department on legal letterhead to obtain a post May 86 sample. Main difference between the two is that if you decide you don't want to deal with the hassle of a Class 3, with a pre May 86 sample, you can keep it. With a post May 86, you have to dispose of it (with paperwork, no "I melted it down" accepted). One of the biggest drawbacks of maintaining the Class 3 is that your home is open to search at any time by the ATF, no warrant needed, you agree to it when you apply for it... I looked into it quite a few years ago as in 'investment' option... MG prices always seem to rise!

Oh, and the GE is made to hold up to extended firing. Glowing may hurt it's accuracy but they were never intended for sniper fire precision, they make it up in volume!!!

 

[chrisl317]

Depends on what state you live in... Also, there are only about a half dozen that are eligible for transfer as pre May 1986 samples. Otherwise you will have to not only obtain and maintain a Class 3 FFL (for full auto guns) you will also need to get a letter from a police department on legal letterhead to obtain a post May 86 sample. Main difference between the two is that if you decide you don't want to deal with the hassle of a Class 3, with a pre May 86 sample, you can keep it. With a post May 86, you have to dispose of it (with paperwork, no "I melted it down" accepted). One of the biggest drawbacks of maintaining the Class 3 is that your home is open to search at any time by the ATF, no warrant needed, you agree to it when you apply for it... I looked into it quite a few years ago as in 'investment' option... MG prices always seem to rise!

Oh, and the GE is made to hold up to extended firing. Glowing may hurt it's accuracy but they were never intended for sniper fire precision, they make it up in volume!!!

Not like that! I've shot my share of full-auto large caliber weapons. When it gets white hot, it's done. The temper and heat treating are gone and it's nothing more than a soft steel tube. I've see barrels not get as hot as that and having cook-offs and warped barrels going ka-boom. When we used to go to the range a can of 10w30 oil was standard issue to squirt on the M2 barrel to cool it down. Any auto should be shot with short controlled bursts, spray and pray just wastes lead. Used to be a gun dealer myself in the late '80s until Clinton got anti-guns on us.

 

[chrisl317]

Hmmm, you could be right I know I took the blueing off of a SAW once, but I think these bad boys are built to last.

How about one of these.

YouTube - knob creek fall 08 night shoot flame throwers

Flames put me into a trance
Fire=good!

 

[whynotvap]

Flames put me into a trance
Fire=good!

And you want to burn perfectly good diesel in an APC... Paladin press has an interesting book about improvised flamethrowers. But who needs to improvise when they're considered a farm implement right? Check into it, no restrictions on flamethrowers or the additives to make petrol 'go that extra yard'.

Oh yeah and after looking at the white hot barrels again... Didn't anyone notice that the camera is using 'night shot' which amplifies all available light? I don't think the barrels were getting any where near white hot, maybe a little orange at best.

 

[whynotvap]

Just to get some feedback (pun intended), anyone thought about high stepping it to a prison or mental hospital and trying to raise a personal army? I read the S.M. Stirling novels: Dies the Fire, etc. They're not too bad until they start getting into the supernatural powers, good vs evil stuff but aside from the cannibalism, the thing that stuck in my head was the clans (not KKK) setting up their own armies and staking out sectors of land. It seems like a logical extension of the Z-plan to set up some kind of normalcy after the first wave gets to a point they they can be managed. So basically, now that you have them at more than arms length, now what?

 

[jbailey]

I think my first plan would to be grab my room-mates shotgun, find a big truck thats been lifted just incase I want to run a couple Z's over on the way to the Cabela store (its a ridiculously big one here in texas) load up on camping and hunting supplies and make my way to the mountains! If its still pretty Z crowded there then I might just shoot for the Yacht idea...

 

[muttSRT]

The problem I see with heading to the stores after the outbreak is because every person who is not prepared will be heading there. Talk about a crowded place and not enough supplies to go around. Lets face some simple facts:

#1 If you have no plan, your chances of survival, just dropped dangerously low

#2 If your plan involves going to a public place, that will be the target of the rest of survivors, for example-sams club, home depot, grocery store, your chances of survival just dropped. Not only will you have the undead to defend against, you will have tons of others that are thinking along the same lines and lets face it, it will be a life and death battle for control of the store.

#3 People that over prepare, for example try to take too much stuff, will end up dead as well. Too much stuff will slow you down. And slow=dead. There was A LOT of talk on the SKS boards about how much ammo to carry. Well 1000rds takes 3 50 cal ammo carriers. Its relatively heavy and carrying that will more than likely be about the limit you can carry for an extended period of time. Even with backpacks, shoulder bags and a drag bag, weight=slow=dead. Along with the ammo, you will need the weapon, back up weapons, clothes, blankets, short food supply, water (at 8pounds a gallon) etc etc.

#4 woods/mountains=safety. Lets face it, the undead will gather around populated areas or their food supply. The few that do wander or get lost in the woods/mountains, will be easy targets. The best way to survive will be to avoid as many as possible.

#5 Not only will you have to survive the undead, you will have to avoid rogue groups of people preying on the survivors, you will have to avoid the govt groups that will definately be rounding up survivors and taking them to "safe zones", but in essence will be test subjects for the anti-virus.

Now a lot also depends on what kind of zombie we are talking about. The early romero slow zombies with almost no body control? The rage type zombie from 28 days later? The new and improved faster zombies from the dawn of the dead 2005? Will it be the zombie type from I am legend, that cant go into the daylight? What about animals? The movies lead us to believe that they will be imune to the virus, will this be the case? Or we will be fighting against zombie squirrels, opossums and deer? I am legend shows that while a dog is good to have as a warning system, it can get infected just like humans and turn.

 

[whynotvap]

So I take it that you won't be forming your own personal army then? I know personally that if I was close enough to my extended family it wouldn't be a problem. They're your basic 'old school' family that have always canned vegetables, smoked their own meat, reloaded their own shotgun shells, and normally have at least a half dozen firearms. The only downside is that they are also prone to 'help their fellow man', I'd have to figure out how to break them of that. When faced with logistics for moving large amounts of equipment, that's what children/non combatent are for. I guess you could train sled dogs but where's the fun in that?

 

[chrisl317]

If all else fails!

"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

That of course can't happen to me, having been resurrected and healed by Dr. Bombay and his assistant, Bodda Boom Bodda Bing from the island of St. Thomas during the "Great Zombie Insurrection of the Caribbean" in the early '80s!

 

[quasimod]

I used to kinda look forward to Z-Day because of all the ugly fun it would provide, but now I'm imagining the type of zombie that will gravitate towards Cabellas and Sams Club... and Walmart. I'm starting to get a little nervous. I had been thinking of standard rednecks like my family and friends, but I've been to places like Nebraska and South Dakota, where the rednecks are ENORMOUS. I'm talking 15 year old kids the size of doorways.

I wonder if there is statistical data that would indicate where the people are physically the smallest...

 

[chrisl317]

I used to kinda look forward to Z-Day because of all the ugly fun it would provide, but now I'm imagining the type of zombie that will gravitate towards Cabellas and Sams Club... and Walmart. I'm starting to get a little nervous. I had been thinking of standard rednecks like my family and friends, but I've been to places like Nebraska and South Dakota, where the rednecks are ENORMOUS. I'm talking 15 year old kids the size of doorways.

I wonder if there is statistical data that would indicate where the people are physically the smallest...

Here you go! First Zombies are undead and well already at Walmarts, along with all sorts of other mutations of the human population. See link!

Funny Pictures at WalMart Photos

As far as size goes, try here. However, they have been reported to practice cannabalism and they shrink heads! You might try hang gliding in and trying to convince your some type of diety, other than the Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course. They're not Italian.

African Pygmies

 

[muttSRT]

So I take it that you won't be forming your own personal army then? I know personally that if I was close enough to my extended family it wouldn't be a problem. They're your basic 'old school' family that have always canned vegetables, smoked their own meat, reloaded their own shotgun shells, and normally have at least a half dozen firearms. The only downside is that they are also prone to 'help their fellow man', I'd have to figure out how to break them of that. When faced with logistics for moving large amounts of equipment, that's what children/non combatent are for. I guess you could train sled dogs but where's the fun in that?

Nope...no army for me...I will be travelling with a few people, no more than me plus 4... any more than that, is more mouths to feed, more people, equals more mistakes. Yes gathering and travelling would be easier with more to carry the load, but at what cost? supplies. The very ones the extra people are carrying. Me personally, I am prepared to live alone, I will carry all I need to survive. I hope that the others I travel with are smart enough to do the same.

 

[whynotvap]

When the fit hits the shan for whatever reason, it's still a good idea to have a finger on the financial pulse. Every revolution changes nothing except who ends up on top and who ends up playing in the dirt. Power remains the true currency through everything. Plus, if you get hurt, it's a nice plan to have someone willing to hold you over until you can stand for yourself again...

 

[CES]

When the fit hits the shan for whatever reason, it's still a good idea to have a finger on the financial pulse. Every revolution changes nothing except who ends up on top and who ends up playing in the dirt. Power remains the true currency through everything. Plus, if you get hurt, it's a nice plan to have someone willing to hold you over until you can stand for yourself again...

hey- that's MY plan.

 

[whynotvap]

hey- that's MY plan.

Well someone had to carry around the ejuice don't they? I can make a rudimentary still but there aren't exactly a lot of tobacco fields up here! Yeah that's one thing to consider for a base of operations... access to nicotine!

Note to self: Add PG and VG to grab-n-go bag. Now I'm wondering what the shelf life is on nic-juice.

 

[muttSRT]

Well someone had to carry around the ejuice don't they? I can make a rudimentary still but there aren't exactly a lot of tobacco fields up here! Yeah that's one thing to consider for a base of operations... access to nicotine!

Note to self: Add PG and VG to grab-n-go bag. Now I'm wondering what the shelf life is on nic-juice.

Thats where we differ...IF there is a zombie attack/outbreak/invasion, I think that would be enough motivation for me to finally kick the nicotine habit. Having habits like that will be a weakness. And any weakness could cause death.

Regardless of how careful you plan, or how much you can take and pack into a vehicle, sooner or later, most will end up on foot power. Walking will be the way most will get around. What little supplies a person can carry will have to be well thought out. I can not see losing valuable cargo space to either cigarettes (which are easier to use than PV equipment) or to vaping supplies.

 

[whynotvap]

I don't know, you can pack a lot of nicotine into a smaller package and most batteries can double in tactical flashlights. Cigarettes and underwear will be the new big barter items after food/weapons/ammo. I don't plan on living like a caveman for the rest of my life if Z-day hits, guys with good plans and skills can always find a spot on the outside of the stew pot . Canned food will eventually run out, game will be a LOT more alert than now, and vegetables are pretty easy to grow if you can stake out the land. I think I'd rather be in a position to rule or advise vs grubbing in the dirt. Some sort of society will form after things settle down even if it isn't 'democracy' or our current republic.

 

[muttSRT]

I don't know, you can pack a lot of nicotine into a smaller package and most batteries can double in tactical flashlights. Cigarettes and underwear will be the new big barter items after food/weapons/ammo. I don't plan on living like a caveman for the rest of my life if Z-day hits, guys with good plans and skills can always find a spot on the outside of the stew pot . Canned food will eventually run out, game will be a LOT more alert than now, and vegetables are pretty easy to grow if you can stake out the land. I think I'd rather be in a position to rule or advise vs grubbing in the dirt. Some sort of society will form after things settle down even if it isn't 'democracy' or our current republic.

I will just live off the land. You can take your chances among the greedy survivors and the zombies. Either way, I believe it to be a death sentence. You might LIKE to be in a position to rule, unfortunately, not everyone will agree with you, BANG! dead. I dont think any kind of civilized society will evolve once Z-day happens. The majority of people will fall victim within the first week or so. These will be the unprepared, the ill, the handicapped, the people who will sit around waiting for the government to step in and do something etc etc.

What you will have left are the people who were prepared, the people who have latched onto the prepared, and the lucky. You might be able to tell the latchons what to do, but good luck trying to call the shots with someone else who is just as prepared or moreso than yourself. This is where the greedy part creeps in. The person who has control over a store will have to defend it against someone who wants to have control. The latchons will always be latchons and will just go with the winner, be it yourself or the opposing people.

I think the movie dawn of the dead illustrates this best. A small group of people, working together, making it a safe place only to have another group come along and screw the whole thing up. Chances are good, if you build a small paradise, someone will come along and want it for themselves. Thats why my plan is to stay away from the majority of the people. Not saying I wont venture out and check to see whats happening eventually, but for the most part, by myself, relying on myself.

Keep in mind, once Z-day hits, your "friends" may become your enemies. Just depends on how prepared they are. It will be easy for a friend to dethrone you, after all, they are your friend. They will be able to get close to you. Once this day arises, you will have to rethink everything you know, and re-evaluate everyone you trust at this moment. I plan on starting the journey with 3-4 others who I trust at the moment, but I will be watching them closely. I fully plan on it coming down to me, my wife and my father. Once the meds run out on pops, his time is limited, he knows it and I know it. My wife, well lets just say, she considers it camping if we go to a hotel with a tree in the parking lot. She will get a huge dose of reality when and if this day evers comes. And if she cant hang, well, I become a loner.


***i have put way too much thought into this

 

[lorikay13]

***i have put way too much thought into this

ya think????

btw....I was just being sarcastic about killing you and stealing your stuff...I'm much more of the "time to opt out" variety. I mean by your standards I'm useless anyway....no longer able to reproduce...special health needs.....I'm just hanging around out of guilt and that nagging Judeo/Christian kernel of fear that there might actually be some after death consequenses to my actions.....