When do you consider a juice safe for vaping?

[GoBlue88]

I just saw the discussion in another forum about 5 pawns liquids having off the charts levels of DA (naturally I recently purchased 30ml of castle long). Luckily, most of my juices are spacejam/Ben johnsons juices, which according to the vapor shark tests have no detectable levels of the two harmful chemicals in question (at least the flavors I vape)

What is your standard for considering a juice safe for vaping? Where do you draw the line, and what resources do you use to make your decision? Are the vapor shark tests sufficient for you to make a determination as to the safety of vaping a particular ejuice?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jimi D.]

If it bothers my chest or scratchy throat. Or, if I get a massive head rush. I stop vaping it. I just listen to my body. That's all we can do for now.

 

[Cloudmann]

Yep. I personally avoid PG, too... I just don't really care for the aftertaste it gives me.

To be safe, I avoid diacetyl and acetyl propionyl, too. It's easy enough since tons of vendors just don't use the stuff. I also DIY so I know exactly what's in my juice.

 

[suprtrkr]

I DIY. I avoid flavors containing DA and AP, no matter how tasty they sound. Flavor Apprentice, where I buy my flavorings, always puts up a warning if their flavors have it. Aside from that, I buy my nic from MyFreedomSmokes, and use nothing but food or pharma grade VG and PG.

 

[Bunnykiller]

when I make it myself....

 

[Darth Omerta]

when I make it myself....

I was gonna say that

 

[edyle]

When I mix it myself.

My default base mix is vg+10%water.

 

[Sanctuary Denied]

Only when its in my tank, never outside of it.
I listen to my body as well and tend to stay at a higher VG, PG is a little rough.

 

[Scottitude]

When a manufacturer openly shares test results allowing me to weigh the balance between my love for Strawnilla and the potential known harm for myself.

Science and data trump "we don't feel there's a problem" every time.

 

[Flukethought]

The only way to say a juice is safe for vaping is knowing what time and effort was put into it. I have been vaping for a while and always wondered the forums. I just recently signed up. but I can say one thing a clean room now a days is a must. They also sell chemical testers now so you can test before you vape. Which I would suggest because when people do big batches they don't understand the nic they add if not stirred constantly will bind closer to itself. other words think of each chemical being a dot on a piece of paper. now take a color marker and dot the same area within a quarter. then take another marker and dot the outside of it. This resembles how the chemicals attach the dots closer will bind while the inside of the first color marker will be dence in nicotine.

I just wanted to add this in since it's already on the forum lol
rolygate
Don't even think about selling stuff people will inhale in large quantities, without having it tested first.

Don't even think about believing what upstream suppliers tell you about the quality - they lie.

Don't believe anything a flavour manufacturer says about anything, they are proven liars whose products kill in the downstream chain due to toxic inclusions they try to hide (google 'bronchiolitis obliterans diacetyl').

 

[GoBlue88]

Yep. I personally avoid PG, too... I just don't really care for the aftertaste it gives me.

To be safe, I avoid diacetyl and acetyl propionyl, too. It's easy enough since tons of vendors just don't use the stuff. I also DIY so I know exactly what's in my juice.

How are you assessing which producers are DA/AP free? Also, if you could point me in the direction of learning about DIY juices it would be greatly appreciated. Would you trust the aforementioned space jam/Ben Jonsons flavors that the vapors shark tests found to have no DA/AP? Thanks in advance.

 

[GoBlue88]

I DIY. I avoid flavors containing DA and AP, no matter how tasty they sound. Flavor Apprentice, where I buy my flavorings, always puts up a warning if their flavors have it. Aside from that, I buy my nic from MyFreedomSmokes, and use nothing but food or pharma grade VG and PG.

I have the same questions as I had for cloud, how are you avoiding DA/AP when not DIY? Would you vape space jam/Ben johnson flavors that were found to have no DA/AP according to the vapor shark tests? Also, If you could point me in the direction of good DIY resources it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[GoBlue88]

When a manufacturer openly shares test results allowing me to weigh the balance between my love for Strawnilla and the potential known harm for myself.

Science and data trump "we don't feel there's a problem" every time.

Which manufacturers have shared test results to your satisfaction?

 

[Scottitude]

About 6 weeks ago, Nicoticket posted authentic, unmodified test results for every flavor on their menu and shared their intention to reformulate Strawnilla and Frenilla, two very popular vanilla flavors with concerning levels of DAP.

Here's the NT thread:
Nicoticket Testing Results | E-Cigarette Forum

I really only patronize one other e-liquid company (The Vapor Hut) and mostly get fruity flavors from them, but I'd still love it if they tested their product and shared their results, too.

I'd like to see all the others follow suit but in the meantime, at least I can make my own choice to reduce or continue my Strawnilla & Frenilla consumption.

 

[Susan~S]

Also, If you could point me in the direction of good DIY resources it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Here are some resources to get you started. Kudos given to member @dannyv45 who contributed and assembled all this information.

Dannyv45's blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Hoosier's blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Boletus's blog's concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid" delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.
=> E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.
=> VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

The "stickies" pinned at the top of the DIY E-Liquid Forum page will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[GoBlue88]

Here are some resources to get you started. Kudos given to member @dannyv45 who contributed and assembled all this information.

Dannyv45's blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Hoosier's blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Boletus's blog's concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.
=> E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid" delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.
=> E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.
=> VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

The "stickies" pinned at the top of the DIY E-Liquid Forum page will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

Outstanding, thanks for collecting all that for me

 

[Susan~S]

Outstanding, thanks for collecting all that for me

You're welcome, here's more!

For a juice mixing calculator consider using eJuiceMeUp

Here are some threads you may like to read through for different flavoring companies. Many of the posts include recipes and comments about a specific flavor.

Nicotine Comparisons <= They don't all taste the same.

1. Flavor Arts (FA) - Pure Vapes has 3ml FlavourArt flavorings
2. The Flavor Apprentice (TFA) - The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread => Also see Bill's Magic Vapor's Blog
3. Inawera (IW) - Inawera - a few reviews
4. Capella (CAP) - DIY Capella's Recipe Thread v2.0
5. Hangsen (HS) - The Hangsen Thread
6. VapingZone (VZ) - New Super Concentrated Flavors & New Super Concentrated Flavors - Part 2
7. Flavor West (FW) - Flavor West DIY flavor review

DIY Recipe Sites
* E-Liquid Recipes <= Feel free to post your recipes here for all members to enjoy
* EcigExpress Archive Cookbook
* EcigVape
* UK E-Liquid Recipes
* kritikalmass - E-Liquid Recipes
* One Stop DIY Shop - Recipes
* Reddit Recipes - Read the Sidebar

THE END! No more links from me on this subject.

 

[suprtrkr]

I have the same questions as I had for cloud, how are you avoiding DA/AP when not DIY? Would you vape space jam/Ben johnson flavors that were found to have no DA/AP according to the vapor shark tests? Also, If you could point me in the direction of good DIY resources it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I can't answer regarding specific brands/flavors because I have no experience. Even when I bought pre made juice, I got it from a local guy I know and trust, but he's not widely distributed. I buy my nic juice, and usually PG and VG, from MyFreedomSmokes. Top quality, and they are registered forum suppliers. I buy my flavors, and sometimes PG/VG, from Flavor Apprentice. They note DA/AP content on flavors containing them.

 

[Vaslovik]

I consider my DIY safe for vaping. That was one consideration when I got into making my own. I know what's in it cuz I put it there.