WHEN GIVING NEW USER ADVISE- Redo

[The Big Chief]

1- I just think it should be said...
When someone that doesn't currently own an ecig, wants advise on where to start, can we NOT try to hand out college textbooks to kindergartners.
Everyone is helpful here, and we love sharing experience. But If someone had handed me a site for a 5V mod, not knowing the differences, or having ANY experience, I wouldve ran. Though most of us don't like the "super mini's", and junk models, these are what peaked our curiosity. Lets all remember that "comfort factor" of taking that first step to giving up our analogs.
New ppl have to learn proper terminology to understand us, much less- "I'd sport a 5V with 80/20 VG liquid, 18mg bobo's is good, or get an ego with LR atty from TW, and use blue fluval mod."
A simple 510, MAYBE mega bats or kr808 kits is fine to get someone STARTED....unless they specifically ask about mods.
We can all think back to our original fears and excitements about our first starter kits, lets remember that with new ppl.

TO ADD-
2- ANSWER QUESTIONS APPROPRIATELY...
Example- " I only get 5 draws from my cart, then it starts burning, so I top it off, and it starts over. How can I fix this"
COMMON RESPONSE -
"Ditch those atties man, and get a carto...nah, you need to drip...nah, just get a ego bro with a mega carto"....get the idea
If you cant answer the question with a reliable, tried, tested, proven, experienced, simple FIX, dont answer. New ppl want to FIX the problem, not buy a new model. Most of us were BROKE when we got our first kit. Show them how to make what they HAVE work for them, not just buy a carto so they can come back and have someone tell them "cartos suck and you need to get a normal atty". That's just a viscous circle. Tame one beast, and tame it well, THEN move on if ya like. Happy vaping all

 

[NCC]

Why post this in the New Members Forum?

 

[The Big Chief]

Why post this in the New Members Forum?

Because this is where most advise is given to new users.

 

[NCC]

Because this is where most advise is given to new users.

Yes, but you're not giving advice to new users. Know what I mean?


BTW, I hope nothing that I've posted has set you off on this campaign. It is good advice, for experienced users.

 

[The Big Chief]

Yes, but you're not giving advice to new users. Know what I mean?


BTW, I hope nothing that I've posted has set you off on this campaign. It is good advice, for experienced users.

You cluttered this thread with needless garbage, when the purpose was stated clearly. If you seriously don't understand that purpose, I dont know how to help you other than to say PM, and quite cluttering the thread with ignorance....give me a break!

 

[xg4bx]

Plenty of senior members post in the newb section, they're the ones who need to see it. I'm new to this myself but I enjoy helping new PV users when I can. I think it would make new users comfortable by knowing that they're not going to get a bunch of runaround.

I've learned from many years in sales, never make the customer feel stupid or feel like they're wasting their money. If I wanted to find out how to work my E-Cig 3000 that I just bought and was all excited about then I had a bunch of people laughing that I just peed away $ and to go buy X, I'd be pi**ed. I haven't been on this board long but I already feel sorry for the poor souls posting a topic asking how to work their Blu.

I dare say that many of us aren't people of means, we live paycheck to paycheck. Many of us, like myself, probably used our cigarette money to buy a PV. Like Big Chief said, even if we hate the PV somebody bought, lets help them make it work. I'd hate to see someone discouraged and scrapping the whole idea of e-cigs just because they were overwhelmed or mocked. We're not discussing sports or movies here, we're trying to save peoples lives.

 

[frisco]

I agree Big Chief. That was the source of much frustration for me when I first started. So many numbers, so much lingo. I was totally lost. Several times I was close to giving up, then someone would respond in simple english and it would all start making sense.

 

[Avid]

1- I just think it should be said...
When someone that doesn't currently own an ecig, wants advise on where to start, can we NOT try to hand out college textbooks to kindergartners.
Everyone is helpful here, and we love sharing experience. But If someone had handed me a site for a 5V mod, not knowing the differences, or having ANY experience, I wouldve ran. Though most of us don't like the "super mini's", and junk models, these are what peaked our curiosity. Lets all remember that "comfort factor" of taking that first step to giving up our analogs.


A simple 510, MAYBE mega bats or kr808 kits is fine to get someone STARTED....unless they specifically ask about mods.
We can all think back to our original fears and excitements about our first starter kits, lets remember that with new ppl.

TO ADD-
2- ANSWER QUESTIONS APPROPRIATELY...
Example- " I only get 5 draws from my cart, then it starts burning, so I top it off, and it starts over. How can I fix this"

If you cant answer the question with a reliable, tried, tested, proven, experienced, simple FIX, dont answer. New ppl want to FIX the problem, not buy a new model. Most of us were BROKE when we got our first kit. Show them how to make what they HAVE work for them

I have to agree with the above. Most people who are either fairly new to vaping or haven't even started yet want to get a decent kit without spending a lot of money. Money IS an issue for a lot of people and they may not want to make too much of an investment in something that they're not even sure they're going to like. While I'd say most of us upgrade at some point, our first kit(s) give us a clearer indication of whether or not we like to vape and what type of PV we might ultimately like to save for based on our experience with the inexpensive or 'starter' models (i.e. not enough battery life, doesn't hold enough nicquid, etc.). Best to learn on what you've got.

As with our initial experiences with PV's, there is a learning curve... how to draw on it, how to fill it, and most often, how to troubleshoot it. This forum is a *great* source of information and most of it's members are helpful and knowledgeable. But too much information leads to confusion... and we never want to overwhelm or confuse someone to the point of just giving up.

 

[D4rk50ul]

Well I agree to a point but I think the real problem is the over use of the new member forum and lack ofules for posting in it. First, this is not the place to debate over which e-cig is the best. Keep in mind also that the Ego is a great starter for new users, unless they want a mini. Its ok to suggest one, but why have 10 replies linking to different sites and deals. We should just direct them to the registered suppliers forum.

Good idea on this. I have been guilty because I believe there are different levels of new with different personalities. Some need very basic easy to follow direction, while others might want to know about cart mods and stuff right off the bat (I was the latter). Its very hard to read someone based on text so I guess we default to easiest answer unless they ask for more detail.

 

[JeremiahAG84]

I haven't been on this board long but I already feel sorry for the poor souls posting a topic asking how to work their Blu.

As somone who is anxiously awaiting my own Blu, and first 3-cig. I agree with xg4gx and with The Big Chief. When I first came around I was scared that I had thrown away $60, my partner was going to get annoyed with me, and I was going to go back to analogs. However, I had to search around to find the info I needed. But if you post anywhere other than the blu threads and mention you have a Blu, your thread will die. But I do thank all of those out there who have helped us Blu users and come out with the mods to help!

Remember the KISS method - Keep It Simple Stupid.

 

[JC Okie]

I'm soooo with Big Chief (OP) on this advice thing. We have to try to remember how we felt the first day or two of vaping or getting a brand new kit (toy) in the mail. We needed straightforward answers to simple (but to us very difficult) questions. There's time later for comparisons of PVs and carts vs. dripping vs. cartos, etc. Nobody wants to hear "dump what you have and start over with xxxxxx brand, type, model." It was pretty overwhelming for me at first and I feel a lot of empathy for the newbies. I'm a school teacher....my motto is KISS (Keep It Sweet & Simple.)

 

[The Rebel]

Although I do have a tendency to suggest the eGo as a first PV for people who ask for help, I also suggest they read and research. Before I bought my first PV I spent two weeks on this forum reading everything I could. The ECF has a great library packed with information for people who are new to PVs. This should be pointed out to every person who asks for help.

I also believe that people respond better to actual experiences. I usually offer the person asking for help my transition with PVs. What I use to smoke, how much, what I started out with for a PV and what I use now. Same for juice and what mix of PG/VG I use. I also tell them why I chose these things and what it does for me. I think that's important to a person to help them understand that everyone is different and so will be their experience with PVs.

Good post Chief!

 

[coffee344]

Well I agree to a point but I think the real problem is the over use of the new member forum and lack ofules for posting in it. First, this is not the place to debate over which e-cig is the best. Keep in mind also that the Ego is a great starter for new users, unless they want a mini. Its ok to suggest one, but why have 10 replies linking to different sites and deals. We should just direct them to the registered suppliers forum.

Good idea on this. I have been guilty because I believe there are different levels of new with different personalities. Some need very basic easy to follow direction, while others might want to know about cart mods and stuff right off the bat (I was the latter). Its very hard to read someone based on text so I guess we default to easiest answer unless they ask for more detail.

I think you should definitely default to the easiest answer, or more specifically, answer exactly what they asked. If I ask, "Where can I get an atty for my 510?" I don't need 10 replies about how the battery life sucks on the 510 and buy an eGo, but no keep what I have and do this mod, no scratch it all and buy [insert name of some super mega e-cig] and so on.

Us noobs just want straightforward, easy to understand answers to our questions. We're like kindergartens. If we ask what 2 plus 2 is, don't show us the square root of 48.

 

[doots]

Advice to Newbys should be to get an Ego Kit and go from there..

I agree with OP.. Keep it simple..

I see people all the time giving advice that have under 50 post totals and the range of advice, sometimes, is ridiculous.
I see ppl recommending 510s all the time. Ego is the way to go as the 510s starter kits are a waste of money. IMHO Batty life sucks..

All the choices out there just confuse a new person trying to get off cigs..

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND THE CHOICES FEW AND ALL WILL WIN>>>>>

 

[justincase]

This is SUPER-GREAT advice!
I will say, that I have some experience with vaping. But, my experience is very limited to just one type. The Kr8. Now, I am in the market for something new, and have found myself asking a lot of newb questions, and the responses are exactly like Big Chief said. I don't have any idea what some of the folks are suggesting, so it may as well be just like starting over.
My Kr8 just isn't doing it for me, but I want this to work. That's why I am open to trying something new. But all the atty, lr atty, mod's, etc, etc talk is just too confusing.
I may have experience, but it is only with ONE type and I know NOTHING about the others.
And to hear xg4bx, we're talking about saving lives, here. Well, you are spot on my friend, and for being a stranger, I want to say "Thank You" for caring about me!

 

[TheLordWinter]

Advice to Newbys should be to get an Ego Kit and go from there..

I agree with OP.. Keep it simple..

I see people all the time giving advice that have under 50 post totals and the range of advice, sometimes, is ridiculous.
I see ppl recommending 510s all the time. Ego is the way to go as the 510s starter kits are a waste of money. IMHO Batty life sucks..

All the choices out there just confuse a new person trying to get off cigs..

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND THE CHOICES FEW AND ALL WILL WIN>>>>>

Interesting that you would endorse a single model. I can argue against the Ego on two fronts, cost and battery life.

1.) If I'd been told that the only good unit to start with is the Ego, I would still be smoking Camels right now because I can't afford the $60 that an average Ego kit costs. I got everything I needed in my first order for $53, and that includes a $35 510 unit, and it vapes like a dream. Maybe in a month or so I can "upgrade" to a "better" unit if I have the desire to, but right now, I'm still on a budget.

2.) Battery life sucks is just as you said... your OPINION. New people come on here wanting facts, not opinions. Here's a fact... my 510 batteries are lasting me a full day on a single charge, and I vape at least once every 5-10 minutes. Just because you've had bad experiences, and seen others who have, doesn't mean that everyone will.

Bottom line is this, veteran folks should not be telling the newcomers that they need a Lincoln when they can barely afford a Schwinn. You guys should know better, and that's the entire point the OP is making.

 

[coffee344]

Advice to Newbys should be to get an Ego Kit and go from there..

I agree with OP.. Keep it simple..

I see people all the time giving advice that have under 50 post totals and the range of advice, sometimes, is ridiculous.
I see ppl recommending 510s all the time. Ego is the way to go as the 510s starter kits are a waste of money. IMHO Batty life sucks..

All the choices out there just confuse a new person trying to get off cigs..

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND THE CHOICES FEW AND ALL WILL WIN>>>>>

In your opinion the battery life sucks and it's a waste of money. There are those of us that choose the 510 because that is what we want. I didn't want or need an eGo. I don't like the size of it, the look of it, and battery life isn't an issue as I'm not on my PV all day. Now if someone says they smoke two packs a day and want to switch and don't care what the thing looks like, well then the eGo is probably a better choice for them. If they smoke 1/2 pack a day? I'd say the eGo might be overkill.

But I'm a noob so what do I know

 

[mom2-7girls]

Im a newbie but the way I see it for me anyways, is that I want to know what is the best, and I want to know what is the best with in my price range. I think people should start out by asking what is a person price range and go from there. I think also ppl need to remember that newbies do not know the abbrev. yet and if they use them to also put the "english" term in ( )
so that new ppl will be able to follow so to speak. I think I spent more time pulling up and trying to figure out what terms and abbrev. were than looking for a good start. I thought cartos where cartomizes and i thought attys where batteries till today.
I am still not following on the cleaning of a cartomizer, or how to pull the inside out and wash that and how to get it all back inside. This forum IS HUGE and the search feature is no help to me since I still can not search and find what I need. So much to learn. But I am going to do it.

 

[coffee344]

I thought attys were batteries at first too. Easy mistake to make... atty... bATTerY. Those of us who have started out with two-piece units probably don't realize other units are 3-piece. We're thinking in 2-D lol.

 

[markfm]

mom -- For cleaning, some cartos have a rubber inset on the mouth side that'll just pop out with a pair of tweezers or nail or...

(Carto = cartomizer = cartridge with atomizer combined in one unit. The ones I use look like the filter off of a normal cigarette. The atomizer is the metal heating coil tube in the center of the carto.)

Others have a plastic end piece that's glued in -- for them, microwave a cup of water until it gets hot, then drop the full carto in after you take it out of the microwave. Let it soak for about 30 seconds, so the hot water loosens the glue. Take it out of the water -- I use a spoon to fish it out, and use a towel or gloves to hold it, it'll be hot -- then pry the plastic cap out with the tweezers or nail or...

Once the end cap is out, some cartos have a second inner ring, normally rubber -- that'll fish right out if you have one.

You now have the carto open -- you can rinse it in water, or soak it in hot water. Some people use an alcohol bath (a bit in a cup, for like 20 minutes), then a good rinse.

To dry it, opinions vary. What I do is put a paper towel on a plate, the wet cartos on top of the towel, and bake in the oven at about 250 (not much hotter) for 40 minutes. They'll be hot when they come out.

For storage, I toss the cooled cartos in a box, with the end caps, pull them as needed.

I tend to keep my in-use cartos with liquids in ziploc bags, get about 3 - 4 days use before deciding to clean them again.

I'll reuse a couple times before tossing them -- if the draw is too hard, or there's a flavor I like that just hasn't gone away with cleaning, time to pitch them.