where does the vapour go?

[dc2k08]

hi guys!

how do you explain to anyone about the vapour not being akin to second-hand smoke? where does it go? does it drop to the ground or what? i trying to think of an easy way to explain to people in pubs and restaurants etc that the e-cig is not dangerous. i know the njoy ships with a card that you can pull out and expain it. anyone care to share what it says, i would appreciate it.
thanks

 

[sanneke]

Think when you boil water..............the vapor just vaporizes.

I have asked my husband if he smells anything when I vapor.
He does not.

 

[dc2k08]

Think when you boil water..............the vapor just vaporizes.

I have asked my husband if he smells anything when I vapor.
He does not.

but when you boil water, the steam goes somewhere, it rises until it hits something, cools and turns back into water. it never just disappears. whats is vaporizing? i never did chemistry sorry. could a kind soul please educate this bumkin?

 

[Klaue]

well, 99% of the nicotine is absorbed by your body anyway (see http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf ), so about everything you exhale (is this even a word?) is glycerol which is accepted to be harmless (until some study proofes otherwise )

 

[dc2k08]

well, 99% of the nicotine is absorbed by your body anyway (see http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf ), so about everything you exhale (is this even a word?) is glycerol which is accepted to be harmless (until some study proofes otherwise )

but it ultimately just falls to the ground if you exhaled (i used to think it was a word anyway) into a vaccuum? it doesnt invisibly float around. i wonder if therre is a type of camera that could show how the vapor dissipates as opposed to smoke.

 

[sanneke]

Think when you boil water..............the vapor just vaporizes.

I have asked my husband if he smells anything when I vapor.
He does not.

but when you boil water, the steam goes somewhere, it rises until it hits something, cools and turns back into water. it never just disappears. whats is vaporizing? i never did chemistry sorry. could a kind soul please educate this bumkin?

When I use my e-cig I do not call it smoking, I call it vaporizing.

See here about vaporizing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer

 

[TropicalBob]

Here's what we believe we know about vaporizing our liquid: The vapor is created from the liquid in your cartridge reaching a high enough temperature in proximity to a heating coil to turn to vapor. It is inhaled. The vapor comes mostly from the propylene glycol in your liquid. The PG is a carrier for the nicotine in your cartridge. More vapor, more nicotine. The vapor, being wet, clings to the walls of your lungs. The nicotine moves through the bloodstream and is carried away to your brain for processing. The propylene glycol turns to lactic acid on the lung's walls, the same stuff your exercise-tired muscles excrete. You get leg cramps at night from too much lactic acid. Your toes curl funny. The PG deposited at the back of your throat dries it out and you develop a sore throat. When you finally exhale, a little water vapor comes out.

And it goes ... poof.

 

[leaford]

The vapor simply evaporates; it seperates into constituent molecules and is suspended inthe air with all the rest of the water vapor in the air.

 

[TropicalBob]

Think of it as helping to humidify the environment.

But, just as we have questions about the overall safety of inhaling PG, we get some reports of computer screens of e-smokers developing a filmy surface. We all know what nicotine looks like on walls, ceilings and drapes. But apparently it's not entirely water vapor that we exhale. Just as the liquid feels slick and oily when touched, there's something left in the exhale that apparently clings to nearby surfaces -- like a laptop screen. Maybe it's the 2% nicotine that is not absorbed. Don't know.

If anyone experiences this personally, post it for us. I can tell you my screen feels slick, but I'm not sure it's from e-smoking. It was serviced last week by a computer store, and the screen was cleaned then.

One last thing: Remember how we used to inhale a cigarette and then exhale through a white napkin, leaving a circle of yellow crud on the hankie? I blew exhaled e-vapor through a white hankie tonight, several times. Nothing showed on the hankie.

 

[trigger]

The vapor simply evaporates; it seperates into constituent molecules and is suspended inthe air with all the rest of the water vapor in the air.

There isn't a better way to explain it at all!! :ugeek:

One last thing: Remember how we used to inhale a cigarette and then exhale through a white napkin, leaving a circle of yellow crud on the hankie? I blew exhaled e-vapor through a white hankie tonight, several times. Nothing showed on the hankie.

I've tried that myself TB. Just proves that theres no tar at all in the liquid, and hardly any if any nicotine left on exhale!

 

[masterslave]

I call in VAPEN ever were I go they all want to know what it is were does the vapor go its just like hunidity its here and gone.. In Florida they understan that.. :twisted:

 

[Minus1724]

Think of it as helping to humidify the environment.

But, just as we have questions about the overall safety of inhaling PG, we get some reports of computer screens of e-smokers developing a filmy surface. We all know what nicotine looks like on walls, ceilings and drapes.

That is not nicotine, thats tar

 

[ashdaburned]

That is not nicotine, thats tar

Ditto

I've conducted an crude experiment last night. I cleaned out a empty glass bottle of vodka, and using a straw blew mostly non-inhaled vapor (as mostly non-inhaled as i could) into the bottle until it was sufficiently full of vapor. I then used the cork to cork it. This should create an airtight seal, better so than a screw on top i believe. After about 5 minutes (sorry i didn't really time it, but it wasn't too long) the bottle was just as clear as if nothing but air was in it. Perhaps someone with a more scientific mind can explain. Also the bottle when opened had a somewhat faint smell of the flavor i used. No unflavored liquid, so i couldn't try that.

On inspection of the bottle, there is signs of oil. That rainbow color is faintly on the inside of the bottle.

 

[dedmonwakin]

Ditto

I've conducted an crude experiment last night. I cleaned out a empty glass bottle of vodka, and using a straw blew mostly non-inhaled vapor (as mostly non-inhaled as i could) into the bottle until it was sufficiently full of vapor. I then used the cork to cork it. This should create an airtight seal, better so than a screw on top i believe. After about 5 minutes (sorry i didn't really time it, but it wasn't too long) the bottle was just as clear as if nothing but air was in it. Perhaps someone with a more scientific mind can explain. Also the bottle when opened had a somewhat faint smell of the flavor i used. No unflavored liquid, so i couldn't try that.

On inspection of the bottle, there is signs of oil. That rainbow color is faintly on the inside of the bottle.

Nice experiment. I tried something not so effective. Constantly blew vapor onto a mirror, every time I vaped in one hour.

The mirror, too had an oily residue on it. Not much, but enough that running a clean cotton swab revealed a noticeable streak.

Now, my question is, although there is much debate about PG over VG and the affects over the user. My concern is not so much there, but in accumulation of nicotine in the home.

Like tar from a tobacco cigarette, traces of nicotine can still be found. But, with vapor leaving an oily residue that is easily transferable, that may possibly have as much or more nicotine with in the residue, what affects could that have on users and their family members with in the home, if any?

Most of us vaporize far more frequently than we ever have with traditional cigarettes. Most of us who have never smoked with in our own home, now vape with in it, and frequently.

Does, anyone think there are imposed risks to user and family members?

 

[Rusty]

I vape a lot less than I smoked. I cannot see that there will be a wild build up of nicotine by someone who vapes in their house - but I am not a scientist. Are there any people who have any scientific research out there?


Rusty

 

[Ryle]

I just came across this thread and it answered a question I was wondering about... Maybe that info will help others??

I had the windshield of my car replaced last Wednesday and none of the smokers in my family have been inside my car since. But yesterday when I got in the car I noticed the windshield had that hazy film on it kind of like when you smoke in the car but a bit different (hard to describe) and I was wondering if it could be form my PV since I vape constantly when driving and don't roll the windows down like when I was smoking. I wasn't sure if it was the PV or maybe something to do with my AC in my crappy old car since the discoloration seems different around where the AC hits the windshield.

I personally don't care about the discoloration but maybe the info will be found useful to someone else??

 

[PTJD]

Taking this to general e-smoking forums.

 

[Channy]

I use smoke machines and Hazers at work (corporate audio/visual) and both machines use PG as the basis for the haze or "smoke" that they create...

after alot of use we find a oily coating on our equipment, especially on items with cooling fans that draw alot of the vapour through them...

for the most part it seems harmless, except for making projectors dirty after a while...

i've been working with and around smoke machines for 11 years, the worst things about it is that it can dry out your eys and throat a little...

I personally would clean it up and just be happy that it is not Tar...

 

[Nutzilla]

The vapor simply evaporates; it seperates into constituent molecules and is suspended inthe air with all the rest of the water vapor in the air.

well, something evaporates, and then it turns to vapor... so technically, vapor can't evaporate.

Once vapor is in the air, I beleive it has only 2 options: It can go through condensation, or dilution.

Condensation is is the change of the physical state of matter from gaseous phase into liquid phase.

Dilution is the lowering of a vapor concentration in the air.

Most likely, our exhaled vapor concentration is going through the process of dilution. We have an original state of liquid (water+propylene glycol+glycerol) that gets heated past it's vapor-liquid critical point, causing it to expand and become vapor gas. Once its in the open, dry, cooler air, it spreads out and becomes less visible. It is still there, but less visible.

There are other outcomes, such as crystalization (forming of a solid in crystal form), deposition (formation of a solid straight from gas), and ionization (formation of plasma) - But these seem less likely.
Hope that helps "clear the air"

As far as second-hand vapor and the health of those around you, I think it's safe to say that the harm caused would be insignificant and probably not worth concern compared to the other things in the air that cause harm (speaking only of the second-hand affects).

 

[junk_male]

I just came across this thread and it answered a question I was wondering about... Maybe that info will help others??

I had the windshield of my car replaced last Wednesday and none of the smokers in my family have been inside my car since. But yesterday when I got in the car I noticed the windshield had that hazy film on it kind of like when you smoke in the car but a bit different (hard to describe) and I was wondering if it could be form my PV since I vape constantly when driving and don't roll the windows down like when I was smoking. I wasn't sure if it was the PV or maybe something to do with my AC in my crappy old car since the discoloration seems different around where the AC hits the windshield.

I personally don't care about the discoloration but maybe the info will be found useful to someone else??

I get the same build-up on my windshield, too. Keep in mind that PG is a surfactant that's used in many soaps. It's what makes soap "slippery". So we are inhaling that, but there seems to be no indication that it's bad for you. The lungs have a "self-cleaning" function when the cilia aren't being clogged with tar. I've noticed if I've over-vaped, or used too much straight PG, I can feel the "goo", but it disappears quickly.