Where is the Apple of vaping?

[Canadian_Vaper]

I noticed I said the same thing you did .... after I posted

Ok...another one. I don't have to stop cruising ECF while I take a minute to have a cigarette. (did this while researching ECF for my first vape)

I don't run out of smokes! I have multiple backup (old) setups I can use if my main breaks down

 

[Panorama911]

I don't run out of smokes! I have multiple backup (old) setups I can use if my main breaks down

Nor do I...I have 6 packs in the fridge albeit 4.5 years aged.

 

[WillyZee]

once you have your vape totally tuned in ... it becomes, not just simple, it becomes very cheap.

I'm talking mere pennies per day.

 

[scottfeldstein]

Ok, for all those who have responded with something like "whoa, it's way better than smoking tobacco!" I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. What I wrote had nothing to do with whether my clothes smell. Of course I recognize that--and all the other benefits--else I wouldn't be vaping now would I?

My point is simply this: I have several vape systems in my house. I had to learn them. I had to watch youtube videos to figure out what to do, how to maintain them. I end up washing my hands for fear of nicotine poisoning. I constantly wonder whether when I put it back together it's going to work right. Right now one of my pen-shaped units is delivering super flavorful vapes while my more expensive and newer box mods is delivering burned crap. Why? I suppose I'll know exactly why in another year when I have a Master's in Vaping Science. There's really no need for this.

Mark my words. In another couple of years, vaping is going to become a lot simpler. And, no, it doesn't mean everyone's going to be using disposable cigalikes.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Nor do I...I have 6 packs in the fridge albeit 4.5 years aged.

I always bought my smokes in advance to save money, when I quit I had 3 and a half cartons left in the freezer, after quitting for a month and realizing I didn't want them anymore I started carrying a full pack with me in my jacket, every time a friend would ask me for a smoke I'd hand them the pack and remind them I quit smoking and I didn't need them.. People are still always asking me for a light though >.<

 

[Panorama911]

^^^^

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

My point is simply this: I have several vape systems in my house. I had to learn them. I had to watch youtube videos to figure out what to do, how to maintain them. I end up washing my hands for fear of nicotine poisoning. I constantly wonder whether when I put it back together it's going to work right.

It does take a bit of learning, once you find your sweet spot there isn't much more to learn, vaping for me isn't just the way I quit smoking it's one of my hobby's now

 

[Brkdnc]

People are still always asking me for a light though >.<

I still carry a lighter it does come in handy for a lot more than lighting cigs

 

[edyle]

Ok, for all those who have responded with something like "whoa, it's way better than smoking tobacco!" I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. What I wrote had nothing to do with whether my clothes smell. Of course I recognize that--and all the other benefits--else I wouldn't be vaping now would I?

My point is simply this: I have several vape systems in my house. I had to learn them. I had to watch youtube videos to figure out what to do, how to maintain them. I end up washing my hands for fear of nicotine poisoning. I constantly wonder whether when I put it back together it's going to work right. Right now one of my pen-shaped units is delivering super flavorful vapes while my more expensive and newer box mods is delivering burned crap. Why? I suppose I'll know exactly why in another year when I have a Master's in Vaping Science. There's really no need for this.

Mark my words. In another couple of years, vaping is going to become a lot simpler. And, no, it doesn't mean everyone's going to be using disposable cigalikes.

I agree. In another couple years, vaping will become a lot simpler.

I can testify that in the 2 years that I have been vaping, it has become a lot simpler than when I started.

And if you ask people who started before, it's the same story.

Right now, the current state of evolution is partly in the tc area: getting rid of burnt hits.

 

[dcfluegel]

Ok, for all those who have responded with something like "whoa, it's way better than smoking tobacco!" I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. What I wrote had nothing to do with whether my clothes smell. Of course I recognize that--and all the other benefits--else I wouldn't be vaping now would I?

My point is simply this: I have several vape systems in my house. I had to learn them. I had to watch youtube videos to figure out what to do, how to maintain them. I end up washing my hands for fear of nicotine poisoning. I constantly wonder whether when I put it back together it's going to work right. Right now one of my pen-shaped units is delivering super flavorful vapes while my more expensive and newer box mods is delivering burned crap. Why? I suppose I'll know exactly why in another year when I have a Master's in Vaping Science. There's really no need for this.

Mark my words. In another couple of years, vaping is going to become a lot simpler. And, no, it doesn't mean everyone's going to be using disposable cigalikes.

duly noted, brother - but simpler is not always better... it's just simpler - and for those that it works for, kudos... for those that prefer better, kudos as well

they can make all the kool-aid they want to, not everyone is going to drink it - really will come down to personal preferences

 

[David Wolf]

Vaping is hard. Not the actual vaping. But the care-and-feeding of the equipment. That's hard. Way harder than it should be. It should be easy.

1. Charge the battery. No more than once per day.

2. Keep the liquid topped up. I'm fine with the use of the eyedropper, but so many vape systems have that put-it-here-but-be-super-careful-not-to-put-it-DAMIT filling experiences. Why? Humans have visited other worlds and I have a supercomputer in my pocket. Surely we can figure out something better than this.

3. Replace your heating coil/wick assembly no more than once a week. Sure, okay. I'd be ok with disposable cartomizers as long as they weren't $20.

4. Wash out your tank, wick and heating element when changing flavors. I always feel like I'm doing surgery when I attempt it. I'm either going to lose a bit down the drain or I'm going to damage it so badly that it won't work right and I'll need a new one.

There are four vape systems in my house. Not one of them is as easy to care for as it should be. As former product manager at a technology company, I'd be pushing hard for some serious usability studies and design changes.

My kids showed me one that they both had which had magnetized, drop-in tanks which I thought was clever. I want to see more of those ideas.

Someone is going to see that the vaping experience is broken and, like Apple often does, they're going to fix it and revolutionize the industry.

Totally agree that true innovation is needed to achieve simplicity and reliability in vaping devices. Though improvements are being made, most changes are copy this, copy that, with bottom coil tanks pretty much what you find these days, and their inherent problems coping with different juice ratios, ambient temperature effects (gurgling, flooding, going from cool environment to the hot outdoors), and leaking.

Right now, my most reliable devices are two istick30W and two Nautilus Minis. Charge them one every other day, tootle puffing 3 mils a day at 10 W or so! Contrary to claims on the Kabuki threads, the nautilus has a stainless steel base (only the top portion is chrome plated alloy of some type), strong glass, and is solidly built. Like all bottom coil dwelling tanks, it tends to gurgle with higher pg (thinner juice) in high temperatures.. but its still vapable, and I've never had a leak. Right now, I have a new Kangertech Subtank Mini that had leak out of the airhole after the second day vaping. only today I rebuilt the RBA for the first time (success!) in the hopes that one wont leak. And all I ever wanted was great flavor, coil up grabi my vape device and go. Now I'm rebuilding coils and wicking, lol.

They have the simple no hassle vape it is called disposable cigalikes.
what we have now sure beats the vapes they had a couple of years ago.
We are still kind of in the wild west days of vaping. If it does not get outlawed it will get better.

Unless they've made quantum leaps as of late, Njoy disposables lasted me from 20 puffs to 80 at best. So bring in the recharables, blu's, Vuse, and I spend my life recharging those little batteries. So I had to move on...

A ProVari and Kabuki tank is about as easy as it gets...

The complaints in this thread say otherwise.... bottom pin is not spring loaded, so some people are having to adjust their pin to make contact when they change a coil... Stainless Steel you say? so is the base of the Nautilus Mini. Flavor you say? Uses the same VOCC as the Nautilus mini. Crystal glass you say? Nautilus Mini glass is better than most, very thick, solid. More air flow you say? That, I agree on. But not at the expense of not having a spring loaded pin like the Nauty Mini DOES HAVE. The emperor has no clothes.
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[Chip H.]

I don't see how this could be any more Apple like if you are actually familiar with your history of Apple products. I was in with iPods from the 4th generation on and was a bit of a tech guru on the iLounge forums back in their heyday.

If you just wanted to buy a bunch of music from iTunes and listen to it, you could, that would be the disposable cartomizers.
If you wanted to import your CD collection you needed to, or at least should, familiarize yourself mp3, AAC, bitrate, encoders, rippers, etc..
If you had older format digital music, you had to learn about transcoders and the costs of using such on audio quality, particularly with suboptimal
If your library grew larger than your iPod you ideally should learn how to make detailed smartlists to manage things
If you got a new computer or had a hardware failure, you had to know how use your back up of your "iTunes Library.itl" file to restore it painlessly from the back up of your media you should have been keeping, and if you hadn't, you were dealing with people like me on the forums trying to save your music

Point being that in spite of the hype, the potential was there for everything from the simplest disposable cartomizer version of using the product, right down to wrapping your own coils and making your own juice version of using the product.

We see this as refined and simple now because many of the most tedious aspects were improved upon or made more optional by technological advances. So, sure, nowadays you can go to the shop and buy a shiny new iPad, sign into your Apple account and after the initial file downloads, bam, be right where you were the day before without even hooking it up to a computer, but that is the outcome of nearly 15 years of iteration and development from Apple and their competitors.

With quality pre-made spark plug coil tanks like the Nautilus and Herakles, we are basically at the fourth gen of the iPod in the (eventually) mobile tech evolution. Simple enough to work well for most people, but, just like then, those who go to the extra effort to learn the nitty gritty of what they are doing are getting more out of the tech. On the other hand, in spite of the level of easy and pay off, it's still not quite there for everyone. But, if regulation doesn't kill the market, the iterative advancement is going to keep on going until we see our first iPhone

 

[edyle]

Vaping is hard. Not the actual vaping. But the care-and-feeding of the equipment. That's hard. Way harder than it should be. It should be easy.

1. Charge the battery. No more than once per day.

2. Keep the liquid topped up. I'm fine with the use of the eyedropper, but so many vape systems have that put-it-here-but-be-super-careful-not-to-put-it-DAMIT filling experiences. Why? Humans have visited other worlds and I have a supercomputer in my pocket. Surely we can figure out something better than this.

3. Replace your heating coil/wick assembly no more than once a week. Sure, okay. I'd be ok with disposable cartomizers as long as they weren't $20.

4. Wash out your tank, wick and heating element when changing flavors. I always feel like I'm doing surgery when I attempt it. I'm either going to lose a bit down the drain or I'm going to damage it so badly that it won't work right and I'll need a new one.

There are four vape systems in my house. Not one of them is as easy to care for as it should be. As former product manager at a technology company, I'd be pushing hard for some serious usability studies and design changes.

My kids showed me one that they both had which had magnetized, drop-in tanks which I thought was clever. I want to see more of those ideas.

Someone is going to see that the vaping experience is broken and, like Apple often does, they're going to fix it and revolutionize the industry.

1: yeah; I got 10 batts; they are like ducks in a row lined up.
One line is charged batts, and there's another lineup at my chargers.

2: 50ml needlebottle.

3: I got a lineup of 10 subtank rba heads. I could swap heads once a day if I wanted, and rewick old heads on sundays. I don't actually do it because my rda's are what I've been using.

4:
wash? oh, that's that thing I might do if I have to recoil.
change flavors? naa, just add stuff; a little mixing is.. adventurous.

 

[Winchester]

Personally I enjoy taking care of my stuff. I like making my own coils and tailoring them to the juice I using. To get the maximum flavor out of that juice. It can be very rewarding.

 

[nyiddle]

We're actually sort of on the cusp of a booming field. There are new improvements being made every day, I mean.. When I started vaping 2 years ago, RDA's were just becoming popular. If you wanted an RDA, there was an extremely limited number of choices. Forget about sub-ohm tanks with pre-built disposable .5 ohm heads, most people were on eGo's and ProTanks because that's literally the only technology that existed.

I think you're right in that, hopefully sooner than a few years, vaping will become a lot simpler. That said: I, like so many others here, enjoy the sometimes-frustrating/sometimes-obsessive upkeep to my devices. When it's time to rewick, there is a moment of "Ugh, time to do this chore again," but there's also that dopamine reaction/reward system going on in my brain saying, "Once you do this, you can try that new juice you've been holding onto!" So I mean, I get that it becomes tedious sometimes, but at the same time, I don't know if I'd want it any other way.

I haven't been wholly satisfied with sub-ohm tanks as a replacement for my RDA's. There's something about dripping juice on a freshly wicked coil and vaping 'er up, and then swapping juices for the very next drip once your wicks become dry.. I can't really settle on a single flavor for an entire 5mL tank. Until someone can create an easier RDA experience (I don't know how it'd be done) I'm sticking to my devices.

And in terms of the literal "Apple of vaping".. There is "iTazte" and the "iStick".. And those devices sort of strive to be as simple as they can (for batteries). The topper part is a little more fiddly.

 

[scottfeldstein]

A note on context. I have worked in the technology field for 20 years. I spent 5 years of that doing desktop support (mostly Windows). Ten years I spent doing e-learning, noticing how software wasn't as easy as it should be for 50 year old English professors or 19 year old freshmen. The remainder was spent as a product manager at an innovative software company having to wrangle the desires of support, sales, engineering, executives and marketing in order to come up with the right product enhancements.

In other words, I don't know everything--but an ignoramus I'm not. I can see very clearly when a product is in its infancy. Vaping right now is like computing in 1993. You had to know the command line. You had to know a lot of things to make everything work right. It was really important that you understood things like RAM and drivers and other things that a 20 year old computer user today wouldn't give a rip about. Those of us who occupy these forums (excepting the newcomer section) are like the nerds of bygone computer eras, wondering why everyone isn't in their basements recompiling their own linux kernels and building their own robots.

Yes, that's it. Vaping is the Linux of smoking. One day it'll be come Mac OS X.

 

[zapped]

A ProVari and Kabuki tank is about as easy as it gets...

I live by the same philosophy when it comes to vaping. Keep It Simple Stupid.

For me, thats a Provari and a carto tank.

I just open a new carto, insert it in my tank and prime it and Im good to go for 2-3 weeks of hassle free vaping.

 

[stevegmu]

I live by the same philosophy when it comes to vaping. Keep It Simple Stupid.

For me, thats a Provari and a carto tank.

I just open a new carto, insert it in my tank and prime it and Im good to go for 2-3 weeks of hassle free vaping.

Yeah, there's a reason I have a dozen IBTanked tanks and 1 Kabuki...

 

[zapped]

once you have your vape totally tuned in ... it becomes, not just simple, it becomes very cheap.

I'm talking mere pennies per day.

QFT

Look at my signature below. Even if you subtract 2000 dollars for (mostly) juice, and equipment like my tanks, cartos and Provaris, thats still a pretty big chunk of change

 

[scottfeldstein]

I think you're right in that, hopefully sooner than a few years, vaping will become a lot simpler. That said: I, like so many others here, enjoy the sometimes-frustrating/sometimes-obsessive upkeep to my devices.

Just so. I think we're all in that computer subculture where we're having a great time but most everyone else doesn't get it. Fun, I admit. But it should--and will--change. And then old vaping nerds will grumble about "kids today" with their iPhones and their hippity-hop.