Where is the Apple of vaping?

[dionysuskiss]

So basically, you are wanting an over priced, equipment exclusive, one size fits all type of vaporizer. That might work for some, but I would never have quit smoking wih that type of set up. Everyone is different. Different juices work better on different devices and coil configurations. As for ease, this is why I like rebuilding RBAs. For pennies, all I need to do is take the time build a coil or two(to my liking). After that, for months, all it takes is 5 minutes of rewicking and and occasionally a dry burn and I'm done.

 

[gandymarsh]

I am a Linux user but I don't wonder why more people don't use Linux. I know why.

It's because Linux isn't for everybody. Neither is Apple or Windows.

I won't buy an Apple product for many reasons. I won't go into it in detail here but it's partly because I think they charge too much and partly philosophical.

I'm forced to use Windows occasionally when dealing with my ISP but that's about the only time I use it.

I don't mind learning the ins and outs of vaping because I like learning new things. Other people may want something that doesn't require learning and that's fine.

One size does not fit all.

 

[Robino1]

I'm well rounded. Windows on the desktop, iPad for the tablet and Android for the cell phone.

Linux scares me. I feel I have to know a lot more than I do before getting into that area.

It's like anything else, start with something.....anything.... Learn it, all it's idiosyncrasies. When that knowledge is conquered then move into something that is close but a step or two up. It makes the journey a bit more pleasant.

There can never be a device that is one size fits all, regardless of what governing bodies think, because we are all different in our capabilities.

 

[keepsmiling]

I did not read through this whole thread but you need to learn how to wrap a simple coil and squonk. It does not get more enjoyable and to me easier than that. I do have higher end equipment now in the form of nice wood and such that needs care. It doesn't get much simpler than a Reo Grand..LP of course. You can wash those out completely under the faucet.

 

[gandymarsh]

Linux scares me. I feel I have to know a lot more than I do before getting into that area.

Only because you're not familiar with it. It's really come a long way in the last 5-10 years.

Windows scares me because I am familiar with it. Viruses, malware and serious crashes.

 

[Robino1]

Only because you're not familiar with it. It's really come a long way in the last 5-10 years.

Windows scares me because I am familiar with it. Viruses, malware and serious crashes.

In a sense, the familiar is easier because you know what to loook for when something does happen. Almost like vaping

 

[Denvap0r]

It's just as I thought. You're all Linux users. Wondering why the rest of the world isn't building their own robots.

This is funny to me. And I get what your point is. When i first started vaping nearly 2 years ago I said something similar, as the whole process of vaping seemed too tedious and even difficult at times to be worth it.

I learned however that with any new technology, as vaping certainly is, there is a learning curve.

I dobelieve you miscategorize everyone here by trying to basically say we are luddites and don't understand how wonderful an appleized vaping world would be. Most people in this forum continually buy and even collect all the new stuff that hits the market. And I welcome any and all innovation into this market.

Let's take Apple for instance, they are not the only tech company out there. There are choices (I realize most Apple cultists do not like to acknowledge this fact). Some people prefer a more open OS. Some people like to actually be able to open their PC up add a beefier graphics card. Others might not just want that goofy half eaten Apple emblem on their stuff. Same goes for the vaping world. Some people simply like to tinker.

I do agree there is a market out there for simpler, sleeker, more user and newbie friendly devices. You do need to understand that the members of this forum welcome innovation and design modifications. A lot of people here are even on the forefront of helping build these devices of tomorrow.

Well, that was my rant. Carry on

 

[jseah]

That's one reason I fear regulation and the .gov trying to make them safer by limiting what we can use instead of teaching people that you need to learn or you'll burn.

That's because the gov assumes that the populace are idiots and needs to be protected from themselves......unfortunately there are way too many people out there that proves their assumption is true.

 

[djsvapour]

One size does not fit all.

It most certainly does not. It's also a pretty sad day when a the best system is described as the "apple " of something.

Have the apple crowd not worked it out yet?

(no, Dave... they haven't).

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Only because you're not familiar with it. It's really come a long way in the last 5-10 years.

Windows scares me because I am familiar with it. Viruses, malware and serious crashes.

I should pull my old Sun server out of the basement. And then chat with a eunuch browser...

 

[dcfluegel]

It most certainly does not. It's also a pretty sad day when a the best system is described as the "apple " of something.

lol - this.

 

[dcfluegel]

It's just as I thought. You're all Linux users. Wondering why the rest of the world isn't building their own robots.

not necessarily... many of us are simply willing to invest the time and effort into a hobby we enjoy... wondering why the rest of world is so lazy... it really does simply come down to a matter of viewpoint, perspective, and preference - ultimately, if you find what works for you, rock on... personally not a fan of the apple analogy - still have a functional 1st gen iPod (hard drive and all, lol) - but I stopped drinking the kool-aid when the iPhones hit the shelves - again, all about preferences - if it works for you, then it is all good - for you

personally, I think that the iPhone phenomena (and the marketing philosophy behind it) has contributed greatly to the dumbing down of subsequent generations... again, though, simply my opinion

I respect - to an extent - what you are saying about vaping gear becoming more user friendly/ easier to use for those who do not have the time, inclination or aptitude to fool with it - bottom line here is that it was not invented as a hobby, but as a way to help folks stop smoking and it subsequently has evolved (somewhat of necessity) into a hobby for some...

and though I used Unix/ VAX systems in the late 80's and cut my teeth on basic programming on TRS-80, I am not a Linux user... nor am I an Apple drone... just a guy who likes to vape and is grateful I don't need to puff on the stinksticks any more

vape on, brother

 

[mkdive2015]

I enjoy the upkeep, making coils, cleaning my tanks, it keeps my hands busy and my mind away from the analouges.

 

[Train2]

One more point here...as I mentioned, I hate the way Apple products take control away from you (image names, I like files and folders...), and I can't do any of my work on an iPad, etc, etc.

BUT, I will say this - I will recommend an Apple product to someone who KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about computers or phones or tablets - doesn't understand anything about browsers or software or files and folders, and has no interest or capability to learn.
(yeah, I probably should just buy my dad an iPad)

I don't mean those are the ONLY people who like Apple - don't get me wrong - I'm just saying that for those people, Apple is probably the best fit.

So yes - in vaping, too - there is room for a solution for the people that DO NOT WANT TO EVER learn anything about batteries, or resistance, or to touch a bit of wire, or to use a special tool to fill a tank.
There are a lot of those people, and there is not a perfect solution for them yet.

But even when there is - I'm pretty sure I won't be interested in it.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I almost got everything I need without any apples:

I keep 3 tanks in rotation (RTAs). I do not remember when I replaced coils - it looks like they lasts forever.
I wash tanks only when recoiling, so I do not remember when I washed them either.
Last rewicking happened 1.5 months ago, wicks still like new (low-flavored juice is the key).
My tanks are easy to fill (wide mouth bottle will do the work).

My estimate of my time spent on vaping maintenance:

Recoiling - once in 6 months (?) - 30 min for all 3 tanks, includes tank washing (1 hour yearly)
Rewicking - once a month - 10 min for 3 tanks (2 hours yearly).
Juice DIY - once a month - 10 min (2 hours yearly).
Total: 5 hours per year, or less than 1 minute per day. Of course, additional 2-3 min are spent each day on refilling and charging. But still it takes less time than coffee making in the morning.

EDIT: Time spent on ECF was not accounted for.

 

[Wolfenstark]

Im in the camp that enjoy building coils and other such tinkering.

I also have a macbook pro and iPhone

 

[edyle]

The "Apples" of vaping:

Joyetech
Kanger
Innokin
Eleaf
SvoeMesto

 

[dcfluegel]

The "Apples" of vaping:

Joyetech
Kanger
Innokin
Eleaf
SvoeMesto

lol - does that make Cloupor the lemon?

 

[Jman8]

Vaping is hard. Not the actual vaping. But the care-and-feeding of the equipment. That's hard. Way harder than it should be. It should be easy.

1. Charge the battery. No more than once per day.

2. Keep the liquid topped up. I'm fine with the use of the eyedropper, but so many vape systems have that put-it-here-but-be-super-careful-not-to-put-it-DAMIT filling experiences. Why? Humans have visited other worlds and I have a supercomputer in my pocket. Surely we can figure out something better than this.

3. Replace your heating coil/wick assembly no more than once a week. Sure, okay. I'd be ok with disposable cartomizers as long as they weren't $20.

4. Wash out your tank, wick and heating element when changing flavors. I always feel like I'm doing surgery when I attempt it. I'm either going to lose a bit down the drain or I'm going to damage it so badly that it won't work right and I'll need a new one.

There are four vape systems in my house. Not one of them is as easy to care for as it should be. As former product manager at a technology company, I'd be pushing hard for some serious usability studies and design changes.

My kids showed me one that they both had which had magnetized, drop-in tanks which I thought was clever. I want to see more of those ideas.

Someone is going to see that the vaping experience is broken and, like Apple often does, they're going to fix it and revolutionize the industry.

IMO, you are leaving off the cost factor that comes with Apple products. To say you are okay with disposable cartomizers as long as they aren't $20, would be like saying in 2005, I'd be okay with a smartphone, as long as it is under $100.

Plus with looming regulations that could disrupt what is already a disruptive market, it is very challenging to come up with something that could literally be regulated out of existence by time you are ready to mass market it.

But I like to think that say 10 to 20 years from now, there will be devices that last a minimum of 3 days (before needing recharge) and can load up to 10 different flavors with a simple press of the button on the device, as if the flavored liquid is always available. And if it is like an Apple device, made with quality and user friendliness, it'll cost around $120 (but again can be recharged).

 

[Jman8]

And it's funny you compare companies to Apple.. Apple made a closed system with few options. I work in the graphic industry and nobody uses apple. The software doesn't work well, the hardware is eh, and they are too expensive. At my pretty expensive private college everybody was always mystified that we didn't have a plethora of apple computers because of the Apple and graphics software myth...then I showed them the apple computer room. Brand new computers that stumbled on Adobe software, and couldn't even network render in Maya. So we used computers 4 years older in the pc lab because they worked, there's just so much software out there for pc that isn't available for Apple.

I find all of this to be untrue, in my experience.