Where is vaping going?

[beckdg]

Can you provide any evidence of the connection you are claiming? That any regulator has used stealth vaping as a rationale for deeming ecigs as tobacco products?
I would reiterate snork's question, Why do you care? You were never intending on vaping in these affected businesses anyways. Why does a fine, for doing so, bother you?

Rather, I'd like to see him separate himself from the cause of such bans in the context which you've quoted with the knowledge he's the bitter whistle blower eager to be the statistic counted and quoted in the meeting where the ban is voted on.

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[beckdg]

if you don't get the point some of us are making by now...

I don't vape in the cereal aisle.

Just in front of the tofu and organic veggies.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

which is why 99% of the time, i'm the DD since i rarely drink, it's not worth it. the more people who flaunt and break rules the harder it gets on the rest of us... tho drinking and driving is a catagory of stupid all on its own.

hey! stop sending your crappy weather up my way eh? oh and the show on the 401 starts tonight!

If my understanding of prohibition of alcohol and <other stuff> history is correct, you may have this inverted.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

I stopped drinking when light poles started getting in my way. [emoji38]

Storm watch goes into effect at midnight tonight. 3ft in the mountains, 1-2ft here in the valley.

I got out of Salt Lake City just in time.

Tapatyped

 

[Falco78]

Just do in an acceptable manner. Don't blow clouds where it wouldn't be acceptable to smoke. This is an important time for the vaping industry and the irresponsible acts of a few will negatively impact the future for all of us.

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[Cheallaigh]

If my understanding of prohibition of alcohol and <other stuff> history is correct, you may have this inverted.

Tapatyped

lol no prohibition here...

ahh the joy of others saying the same thing... and to be singled out...

 

[smacksy]

I do alot of gambling down at the casino..playing the slots in the smoking section Ive been vaping the CloudBeast lately, and blow my clouds almost straight up towards the ceiling.. That place smells like a big dirty ashtray and it never fails when someone compliments me on my sweet smelling clouds..A few folks ask me about my mod/tank setup
and if there is a local vape shop they can check out for themselves ... Nobody has ever complained about my clouds..

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[beckdg]

lol no prohibition here...

ahh the joy of others saying the same thing... and to be singled out...

Wait.
What?

I thought my response to you was pretty mild considering my responses to others back to back with that post.

I also thought you could see the logic based on our prior interactions.

And yes... There's a LOT of talk about vaping bans in this thread.

Another word for that would be prohibited or the prohibition of...

Anyway when you said this...

the more people who flaunt and break rules the harder it gets on the rest of us...

It was in the context of alcohol (which IS legal) though drawing a parallel to vaping.

To which my immediate thought was that's the EXACT REASON prohibition (of alcohol) ended and states like Colorado, California, et al... are legalizing other stuff for recreational purposes.

Anyway... as to the reason I don't continue (IE I have already) questioning others on the idea of "don't do it lest it be banned" is I doubt they can see the fault in their logic.

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[beckdg]

I don't vape in the cereal aisle.

Just in front of the tofu and organic veggies.

Tapatyped

BTW

@Cheallaigh

This was a mild mannered, innocent ribbing aimed at being humorous.

Nothing serious about it.

Goes back to page after page long heated battles on the same subject where a particular member would aways go back to Walmart cereal aisle vaping as an insult.

Tapatyped

 

[Cheallaigh]

.... you do realise i am in a country that... nevermind... it's really not worth it. those who feel they should be able to vape anywhere, even if there are rules, will do so any how despite how it might affect others as a whole.

 

[Bad Ninja]

We are right back to square one.
People tend to forget history and apparantly love to repeat it.

There is no logical reason to ask for prohibition of vaping.

Its a control mechamism.

The same people who are upset with FDA regs are apparantly okay with bans.

 

[MsLoud]

We are right back to square one.
People tend to forget history and apparantly love to repeat it.

There is no logical reason to ask for prohibition of vaping.

Its a control mechamism.

The same people who are upset with FDA regs are apparantly okay with bans.

The red quote is what I will address.

I sure as hell am not okay with bans...what I don't understand is why vapers feel entitled to vape wherever they like? There have been cig smoking rules for years. We followed them. We fussed and moaned at first but we FOLLOWED them or suffered the consequences.

Yes, I remember the days of smoking in restaurants, my office and even the hospital but those rules changed.

Having no smoking or vaping rules is understandable and mature adults should have the self control to abide - what the FDA is attempting to do is eradicate vaping altogether.

Maybe in the future as vaping gets more mainstream these rules will change and vapers can freely vape everywhere - but in order for that to ever be a possibility we have to fight the FDA. For vapers to be taken seriously, we need to behave like adults and not like some entitled child that wants what we wants be damned the rules.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The red quote is what I will address.

I sure as hell am not okay with bans...what I don't understand is why vapers feel entitled to vape wherever they like? There have been cig smoking rules for years. We followed them. We fussed and moaned at first but we FOLLOWED them or suffered the consequences.

Yes, I remember the days of smoking in restaurants, my office and even the hospital but those rules changed.

Having no smoking or vaping rules is understandable and mature adults should have the self control to abide - what the FDA is attempting to do is eradicate vaping altogether.

Maybe in the future as vaping gets more mainstream these rules will change and vapers can freely vape everywhere - but in order for that to ever be a possibility we have to fight the FDA. For vapers to be taken seriously, we need to behave like adults and not like some entitled child that wants what we wants be damned the rules.

Dont confuse a private business with my statment on govt bans.

If a business wishes to prohibit smoking, vaping, or skinny jeans Im 100% fine with that. It may or may not affect their profit which is what a business is about in the first place.

When the govt steps in, I have a huge problem. The govt cant secure simple in-house emails or balance a budget they create.
They are not competent enough to entrust with more regs.
If they cant balance a damn checkbook, they arent smart enough for me to back their move.

 

[440BB]

The influx of contrived studies attacking vaping coincided with vaping became a bit of a cool hobby for even non-smokers. Becoming somewhat mainstream and more visible in this negative environment, restrictions and bans were bound to arrive. For a number of years even we vapers rarely saw a fellow vaper "in the wild". Vapor does look like smoke and that is enough for many to assume it's unhealthy. Higher powered thicker vapes were often the first vaping non-smokers saw and likely reinforced their negative perception, but they are not the cause for bans. Vaping is just an easy target.

The process of demonizing vaping through biased negative "studies" has been important and necessary for pharmaceutical concerns, tobacco companies and state governments. Conclusions that vaping and eliquid are dangerous and that children were targeted were the start. Now that vaping has been cast in a bad light of misinformation, news stories of "exploding ecigs" which are mostly mishandled batteries in pockets, are focusing negative attention on removable battery mods. Narrowing our choices and increasing prices through taxation keeps the competition at bay and maintains cash flow for those with deep pockets.

Shifting public perception to eventually end up with restricted use of sealed systems in the name of "safety" has been a very effective campaign. The average person who never smoked has been put in a position to assume there is some unhealthy danger to these life saving devices and unfortunately fear dictates policy.

I believe that had every single vaper been discreet and thoughtful about when and where to vape, we still would have ended up where we are today. People openly vaping in inappropriate settings may have accelerated it a bit, but the fix was in for years.

 

[beckdg]

.... you do realise i am in a country that... nevermind... it's really not worth it.

You do realise I'm not.

I'm in the country where most of these regulations being discussed are happening.

And where most of the regulation discussion is relevant.

So if you'd like to educate the user base on what's happening with our Canuck neighbors, feel free.

But DO be mindful that here in the land of the used to be free and once were rumored to be brave, that our behavior and reality have absolutely zero to do with regulations.

At best, a couple incidents may be singled out as examples to make a case of smoke and mirrors as a catalyst to stoke the flames of unjust justice.

BUT!

There are already enough incidents to make examples of.

Cats out of the bag here.

Wouldn't matter if not a single person did anything stupid with an ecig for the rest of our lives.

See this is how our Congress works...

Teenage girl: One time, at band camp...

Congressman nanny state: "We must be diligent and work tirelessly to abolish all flutes for the sake of humanity and the children"!!!!

Damn tea party faux Christians...

Whereas up there, there is evidence that thought, study and proof actually work in tandem with actual concerned citizens to create laws that make sense. It's not ALWAYS (very important) about an agenda or how money exchanges hands.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

For vapers to be taken seriously, we need to behave like adults and not like some entitled child that wants what we wants be damned the rules.

Oh I dunno.

There's plenty of history of quite the opposite working very well.

Problem here is either way, there's not enough of us banding together.

And let's not be disillusioned, there ARE plenty of us.

Even if we were split on the issue of how to make our stand, if we stood together as 2 parties divided, there'd be WAY MORE than enough of us.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

The influx of contrived studies attacking vaping coincided with vaping became a bit of a cool hobby for even non-smokers. Becoming somewhat mainstream and more visible in this negative environment, restrictions and bans were bound to arrive. For a number of years even we vapers rarely saw a fellow vaper "in the wild". Vapor does look like smoke and that is enough for many to assume it's unhealthy. Higher powered thicker vapes were often the first vaping non-smokers saw and likely reinforced their negative perception, but they are not the cause for bans. Vaping is just an easy target.

The process of demonizing vaping through biased negative "studies" has been important and necessary for pharmaceutical concerns, tobacco companies and state governments. Conclusions that vaping and eliquid are dangerous and that children were targeted were the start. Now that vaping has been cast in a bad light of misinformation, news stories of "exploding ecigs" which are mostly mishandled batteries in pockets, are focusing negative attention on removable battery mods. Narrowing our choices and increasing prices through taxation keeps the competition at bay and maintains cash flow for those with deep pockets.

Shifting public perception to eventually end up with restricted use of sealed systems in the name of "safety" has been a very effective campaign. The average person who never smoked has been put in a position to assume there is some unhealthy danger to these life saving devices and unfortunately fear dictates policy.

I believe that had every single vaper been discreet and thoughtful about when and where to vape, we still would have ended up where we are today. People openly vaping in inappropriate settings may have accelerated it a bit, but the fix was in for years.

BRAVO!!!

Tapatyped

 

[inmytaxi]

Then blame the shop she bought from, not the industry.
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Blame her. She should have asked for something more stealthy if the thing she was shown was HUUUUUGE. Seriously a car dealer is going to do the same thing, learn to demand what you want, not what sells.

 

[inmytaxi]

I never understood the fascination. 300w? 400w? Even 200w? I've never pushed a mod beyond 150w, and that's with triple 18650's. Call it nerves, call it hypercritical thinking, call it fear...I don't even want to push dual battery mods past 100w, let alone push a single battery mech close to the CDR of its battery. I'll leave the clouds in the stratosphere where they belong. Guess it's that mentality that Eskie mentioned: bigger is better. Meh.

150 watts? Insane. Why anyone would ever go past 30 or 40 watts is beyond my comprehension. Usually 15 - 25 watts is fine for me.

 

[smacksy]

150 watts? Insane. Why anyone would ever go past 30 or 40 watts is beyond my comprehension. Usually 15 - 25 watts is fine for me.

Why??
Because new tanks like the CloudBeast use a .15 ohm coil rated up to a whopping 260w

Me vaping the Beast at 125w..
Good nic hit, excellent flavor and nice thick clouds..fun too, lol

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