I need help (quitting cig. & vaping)

[Racehorse]

I'm not interested in clouding down a room, I just want to quit this 2-3 pk a day cigarette habit.

the money shot, right there. 2-3 packs a DAY.

If I figure that out for full flavor cigs, that would put you at about 60mg.
I will drop that back a tad in case your are not smoking full flavor, to 0.8mg x 20 cigs = and I get 48mg.

Personally, I think you need a PV that won't deliver so much hot vapor going down your throat, because COUGHING is no fun and doesn't really bring enjoyment.........and you may want to think about using some WTAs for a while too.

Seems like you would need at least 24mg...maybe beckdg guy will show up, (he vapes 50mg but only here and there unlike most poeple who vape all day all the time. but he has a very unusual metabolism so I won't suggest this).

I think you need a non cloud making PV with higher nic than 18 so I will disagree with a lot of the advice given about going down.
3 packs a day is a LOT of cigarettes!

 

[chopdoc]

Hello Everyone,
I tried to figure the best area to post this question & hope I chose well.

Well years ago my wife & I quit smoking with Ego battery's and those 1st generation atomizers "totallywicked tornado's" (2011)
Well we both started back after 4-6 months .

Fast forward to now, I noticed the vapeing gear has improved & I
want to try and quit cigarettes again.

Okay here's the crazy question,
I bought an i-stick & a kanger sub tank mini, in hopes to avoid the issues I had long ago only to figure out you just have to work on vape-gear...lol

Finally I've gotten this Kanger sub tank to wick properly & not get dry hits.

Here's where I need help.
I'm not interested in clouding down a room, I just want to quit this 2-3 pk a day cigarette habit.

Can anyone suggest a method to use my device & not look like I'm a human fog machine?
Long ago I used 24-36 mg eliquid but our ego device's where no where as efficient in nicotine delivery.

I can't seem to find a happy medium between getting plenty of nicotine without fogging up a room with this new 'era' of sub ohm devices.
I've been using 18mg e-liquid, but what I'm guessing is the efficiency of sub ohm tanks produce so much vapor that I cough at the end of every exhale.
My thinking is I'm doing this one cough on every exhale from the amount of vapor I'm drawing into my lungs.
I went to a local Vape shop & asked the owner about this issue and he seems to think this us because of the nicotine strength,thing is I know what it feels like to get to much nicotine, this isn't the case for me as I'm not satisfied nicotine wise using the 18mg, and can't seem to quit this "cough on the exhale" issue.
It doesn't make sence to me to use extremely low nicotine e-liquid and constantly Vape non stop while still craving nicotine/ cigarettes.


Any ideas? Please I'd greatly appreciate the help & suggestions.
I can wrap coils & all that I just can't seem to get a happy medium & am unable to figure out what seems to be a simple issue, with this 'one cough in every exhale
I also can't mouth to lung inhale without coughing.
Thanks for the help

You are doing what I tried to do when I started vaping. Using gear that your lungs cant handle. Shortly after I started vaping I wanted to try an RDA so I ordered a TOBH and a Patriot, built coils for them, wicked them, soaked them in 18 mg juice and gave them a try and gagged my head off. No way my lungs could handle that after all the years of smoking did to them. A few months later I tried again and same thing. After asking around the friendly folks on ECF said to lower my nicotine and then try. I lowered it to 3 mg and gave it a whirl and I was able to hit it some what but not hard or back to gagging.
The subtank mini you have is more than your lungs can handle now and is why your coughing on it. Try a kayfun lite or something like that and then in a few months retry the subtanks mini.
I am almost a year since I quit smoking and I can hit any of my drippers with no problems now. I smoked 2 - 3 packs a day for 40 years and my lungs needed a chance to heal some before being able to handle the volume of clouds a subtank mini or a dripper puts out. Now I have no problems and can hit any of them deep without coughing.

 

[Rourke]

I will use my Nautilus when I am home watching TV and tend to chain vape. When I am out and can't chain vape I use my subtank nano or mini. Just my 2 cents.

 

[nvadasz]

Gonna chime in on this one. I've read all the posts on this and see several suggestions for the "Mini". I have to agree with that. At three packs a day, you're gonna be trying to over come a great deal. You'll have the nicotine thing going on and the motor action thing going on. I'm a 3mg vaper but in the beginning 18mg when I was breaking my 4 pack a day habit. Plenty of nicotine in 18mg and 6+ ml of juice. I swear by my mini's and the Aspire CE5's Still a chain vaper, but working on that too...do a mini, you won't regret it!

 

[Bunnykiller]

what worked for me.... staying at 36 nic... all I need are a few lightweight draws and the nicfix is supplied... no need for huge draws at 3-6 nic within moments of each draw... ( chain vaping)

 

[DaveSignal]

Well, I don't think the quitting smoking is going to work if you are coughing every time you hit your vaping setup. You need to drop the nicotine. And stop worrying about making clouds... if you don't want to make clouds, there are nicotine patches available at most drug stores. But vaping is about more than that. Its an enjoyable pastime with the pleasure of nicotine that is not like smoking. It works because the vapor tastes great and feel great and is more pleasurable than smoking. If you aren't enjoying it, then its not a good pastime to pursue. But if you haven't tried 6mg nicotine e-juice yet, then you aren't really giving vaping a chance.

 

[mattiem]

Just my humble opinion of course--I think the high power low ohm coils are not designed for long time smokers. Specially those of us that smoked 1 to 4 packs of smokes a day for years. Most of these sub ohm devices are designed to have the user pull the vape straight into our lungs and after all those years of smoking our lungs rebel against all that vapor.

If it were me I would put the topper you got back for now for maybe someday use and get a topper designed for mouth to lung or just mouth hits. You will get your nic just as well by taking the vapor into you mouth and blow it slowly out your nose as you would from pulling it into your lungs. Using a different (non sub ohm) topper will give your lungs time to heal and you will also be able to vape higher nic liquid by doing mouth or mouth to lung.

Even after 3 1/2 years of vaping my lungs are still healing from 45+ years of smoking. I bought a GS-AIR topper with a 1.5ohm coil. Even that was to hot and to much vapor for me. It helped to remove the wide bore drip tip and replace it with a regular drip tip but still it puts out to much vapor for me and the vapor is warmer than I am comfortable with.

I see a lot of folks are recommending a Nautilus Mini-I've not used one but it could very well be just what you need. Personally I still use Evod Glass, mini davides, mini Trophies and toppers like that, all with 1.8 and above coils. With you just starting out again I would think 18 to 24mg liquid wouldn't be to much. Hope this helps.

 

[Dan Bean]

Hi Tattooer, just saw your post- Ive had similar issues (harsh draws, dry coughs etc) with the newer devices myself, though I don't think it's the devices themselves that's the issue, more the fact that it's often hard to balance voltage/coil resistance etc with eliquid strength/composition. As a long-time DIY eliquid mixer I'd recommend getting yourself some dilutants and playing around with eliquid strengths at a variety of settings on your device. Even if you're ordering pre-bottled eliquids, doesn't mean you cant add a few drops of PG/VG to soften the hit - I personally go with a fairly high nicotine mix (PG/VG) and keep voltages low, to avoid the hot, dry blasts you mentioned, though with the dilutants you won't be tied down to 6mg / 12 mg eliquid options. Try to keep vapour stream cool and plentiful, though if you want to limit visibility of vapour skip or limit the VG ratio.

 

[TFL!]

I used a Kanger Pro tank 2 with a aero tank air control with 2.4% nic now down to 1.8%. This is still my go to setup. At < 8 watts.

 

[tattooer601]

Wow thank everyone for their thoughts & ideas.

So to avoid buying unnecessary gear I'll try a couple ideas suggested here, thank you guys again.

Ill build a higher resistance coil for this sub tank mini & order a more restrictive driptip,going into this I knew I'd buy d.I.y.'ing eliquid because of the CRAZY prices I've seen for 20ml bottles,as funny as it sounds I've seen this one local shop selling eliquid as if it's "the cool guys club" or something,

If I offended anyone,I didn't mean to I simply want to use the e-cigarette gear to stop smoking,not to try to impress anyone with vapor production, I mention this because it "seems" to be many younger people are starting to Vape to compete at blowing vapor,or something.

Thanks everyone for the help,if my thoughts of higher resistance coil building & smaller draw drip tips on this sub tank sound like a possible way to use what I own & to take smaller drags from the sub tank at higher nicotine level, sound like a good idea please let me know.
If this sounds as if it wouldn't work at all please let me know,until then I'll continue reading & trying to understand my simple issues of adapting to the sub-tank.
Keep any ideas coming

 

[dcfluegel]

I agree with the dit suggestion aswell, I've reopened my perfume apprentance account & added alott to my cart already, I made all our e-liquid long ago & liked it better aswell, I'm just trying to sort out this issue before I spend my extra money.
Off topic a little, but do you have a suggestion for a nicotine source? I can't remember my old source, thanks.

may want to check out nudenicotine.com - they offer a free 15ml sample for diy'ers (you pay $2 shipping) and their service is fast, nic seems to be very high quality, no taste issues with mixing (i believe i got the 100mg/ml sample at 50/50 pg/vg mix)... then ordered more nic from them - prices are good, quality is great... just make sure you are using a good calculator to dilute for usage/ mixing (ejuicemeup is the calc I use, excellent app)... not sure yet about their concentrated flavorings though - seem a bit perfumey, working on ratios - have had best results thus far with TFA and Capella flavors, personally... good luck and keep at it - you can kick the 'sticks!

 

[Dan Bean]

Hey T, just thought of something else you could try - newer tank models (like Kanger Aero Tanks) come with airflow control meaning you get a stiffer/looser draw by adjusting the dial - I've found this makes a big difference in terms of controlling harshness etc.

 

[tattooer601]

Would a Kayfun clone be much more my speed? Any opinions?
I really need any tank yo have a rba section, building coils is to simple & the local b&m sucks here.


So Kayfun? Whatcha think

 

[dcfluegel]

Would a Kayfun clone be much more my speed? Any opinions?
I really need any tank yo have a rba section, building coils is to simple & the local b&m sucks here.


So Kayfun? Whatcha think

tanks with rba options have moved forward quite a bit - currently, I have a couple with rba options (kanger, goblin, obs t-vct) - and you can rebuild coils in a lot of the ones that just have replaceables (atlantis, freemax starre, horizon as well as kanger) - have recently started rebuilding my kanger subtank heads using the old horizontal coil bodies and making vertical coils out of them (1.2 ohm single coil for wife, .7 ohm dual parallel for myself)... some very nice looking rebuildable options on the horizon also - aspire triton, smok tfv4

i have not used kayfuns, but as i understand it they have a lot of options for customizability, so that may be a good route... personally, I have had great success with my kanger subs though I like the freemax starre a LOT and my atlantis mega rocks (and recently picked up some segatank rbas which WILL work in atlantis - so, SHOULD work in freemax also, since freemax can use atlantis coils)

 

[dcfluegel]

oh - forgot the UD zephyrus tank too - nice rba deck in it - have only used stock coils on it so far and it will chuck some clouds, lol, but I believe it is a 4 post rba deck on it - nice little tank, great flavor!

 

[tattooer601]

A friend gave me an Atlantis, because he's into building BIG TIME....lol
I've rebuilt the occ Kanger heads myself just to know that I could,very simple, however I just built them 6 wrap 26 awg, to attempt matching the 'factory' ohm load.

Thing is it " seems like" if I upped the ohm significantly, that I would do better with this sub tank, does that make sense? If so I'm just gonna go for like 1.8 to see if that helps with th FOG MACHINE EFFECT...lol
I'm not new to vaping ,but I am new to the latest gear.....etc.

The reason I mention the Kayfun, is that I've heard many mention the restricted airflow,combin that to tg ability to rebuild & cheap price if it would work well, for my old smoking self I'll buy one
All this help is a big help to me thanks

 

[tattooer601]

So I tried this Atlantis tanks & wow what a difference between the 2.
After rebuilding a old coil section & just wanted to try it the lil coil I wrapped was
.7 ohm, it's has a MUCH lighter hit that the Kanger tank, I mean it's like half as efficient, amazingly.
So I won't need to buy anything, just keep a spare coil prepaired for the Atlantis, it's a weaker vapor producing tank,for whatever reason.
So I could chain Vape 18mg eliquid in it with ease ...here's hoping it'll slow me to kick smoking.
Thanks again everyone

 

[mattiem]

So I tried this Atlantis tanks & wow what a difference between the 2.
After rebuilding a old coil section & just wanted to try it the lil coil I wrapped was
.7 ohm, it's has a MUCH lighter hit that the Kanger tank, I mean it's like half as efficient, amazingly.
So I won't need to buy anything, just keep a spare coil prepaired for the Atlantis, it's a weaker vapor producing tank,for whatever reason.
So I could chain Vape 18mg eliquid in it with ease ...here's hoping it'll slow me to kick smoking.
Thanks again everyone

Fantastic !!!!! I am happy to hear that you found an option that will work for you.

 

[Stinkytofus]

high nic, high pg, low watts (25-35 is good), and if u really want to quit, its all willpower, i've seen people quit cold turkey and just never picked up another stoge

i still vape cuz i wanted to quit smoking, healthier option, but eventually i want to quit vaping all together, inhaling all these chemicals cant be good for lungs in the long run... i should really just be inhaling fresh air

 

[vapeydave]

Former 2 pad Winston red smoker. Didn't read all the posts so sorry if already stated advice. Use the 1.2 ohm coil at 3.5v (10.5w). If too harsh lower nic one level. I wouldn't go below 12mg. You'll be vaping nonstop for a while. Using smallest air hole.

Other more extreme option is 24mg high pg sub ohm at super short bursts. (Can b pretty harsh). Have a timer on I stick and I was firing in 1 to 1.5 second bursts. You can sub ohm high nic this way without the cloud. Once again, it can rock you if you're not cautious.