Who cleans cartos?

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SnowDragon

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So should I break the news to pwmeek what PG exactly is or should he just find out on his own?

I don't think it's caramelized sugar (at least I hope it isn't). I avoid all juices that are described as, or even hinted at, being sweet.

http://msdssearch.dow.com/Published...ycol/pdfs/noreg/117-01663.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc

Truly carmelized like burnt sugar in cooking? No. More like dried up soda...a sticky resin which in most case is easily removed by simply running hot tap water through it.
 

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Propylene Glycol; used as a softening agent in foods and as a safer type of automotive anti-freeze. (Ethylene glycol - the traditional anti-freeze also has a sweet taste, but is poisonous.)

Any chemical with "glyc" in its name relates in some way to a sweet taste. (from Gk. glykys "sweet") This does NOT mean that it is a sugar. Sugar has a hexagonal carbon ring, which glycols (particularly PG and EG) do not. The name Glycerine also derives from its sweetish taste. (Glycols have two hydroxyl {-OH} groups; glycerols have three.)

(Never expect someone who formerly lived in Midland, Michigan to be surprised by a chemical question. More chemists per square mile there than almost anywhere else. I am not actually a chemist, but have soaked up considerable chemistry by osmosis.)
 

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Your grasp of chemistry makes this so much easier to discuss pwmeek. Although USP PG is classified by the FDA as a sugar alcohol that is not to say that it is either a Fructose or Sucrose based sugar nor is it related to ethanol or alcohol used in beverages. PG does shares the same molecular base as sugars, monosaccharide being C6-H12-06, disaccharide C12-H12-O6 and PG C3-H8-O2.

While structurally different than a monosaccharide or disaccharide it’s shared molecular formula I believe results in a very similar effect when subjected to heat. In this case it would be the heat from the atomizer. As I mentioned, is it truly carmelization? No. But I don’t know what other word or analogy one could use or draw upon. Or if indeed there is such a word which could best describe this effect.

Experience shows us that after vaping a carto for a couple of days the polyfill does indeed lose the ability to absorb e-liquid at the initial rate it once did. It can only be surmised that subjecting the e-juice to heat has a causal effect on the polyfill. This conclusion can be drawn since we know that juice can be stored in a cartomizer for months unused without affecting the absorbent qualities of the polyfill material.

Of the major flavor suppliers like Bickford, Capella, Flavourart, or Lorann’s, only Lorann’s states that it’s flavoring oils are sugar free. The other flavor suppliers do note that they utilize sugars in their flavorings primarily dextrose i.e. glucose. Given that there may or may not be sugar in your juices and the defined molecular base of PG….what would or should one call the adverse effect of absorbency to the polyfill material after use? The best I can come up with is the analogy provided in my replies.
 

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Ooooh chemical formulas... this is my new favorite thread. Since Snow's explanation is one of the best we've got, the carto gunking process shall now be called the "SnowDragon effect". For convenience, feel free to use the verbed form -- "Dangit I need to swap cartos, this one is all Snowed up".

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My first tank carto finally stopped being useable yesterday. I had already washed it 3 times, it lasted just under 2 weeks. I disembowelled it, and it was putrid inside. The wicking material was black & horrible. The polyfill was a greenish-black, but not burned or scorched. I wonder whether it's even worth trying to wash tank cartos.
 
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