prove it. From that picture prove how far any metal making contact with positive post is away from negative outside.... Your assuming a perfectly fine cell, clearly there is a defect that apparently only trolls can see in the image that has not compromised anything or near compromise. You are WRONG! You don't have a clue
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Don't get angry.
Your environmental and imaginary variables have no merit.
A welded tab isn't all of a sudden going to move after successfully shipping across the country.
Why don't you ask Chels if she can move the tab by pushing it with her finger?
If the casing of the cell were compromised and air were able to get in, she wouldn't have a battery. She'd have a charred cell.
Again, the electrolyte within reacts INSTANTLY and COMPLETELY to air.
And since there's no gases in the cell until it's failing and the thermo-chemical reaction starts, there's no gas to expand and contract with barometric pressure.
I'm pretty well Versed in these batteries.
My children play with batteries that make these look like birthday cake.
They could teach the forum quite a bit.
Tapatyped
This person shorted out some MNKE imr cells, IMR batteries don't typically emit a whole lot of smoke. I would still put them outside just to be safe though. Why risk stinking the house up or inhaling deadly fumes.
your ego is getting in the way. You cannot tell the extent of the defect from the picture. I know there are circuits that open and close on atmospheric pressure. Did I say that would happen no but not knowing every detail from a picture won't prove nor disprove anything never made mention of the chemistry. must be nice knowing exactly what is wrong in detail from a picture that doesn't show anything but the button is definitely not right. You should teach a class on it
1. That was not typical.
1A. The guy in the video even mentioned that was not typical when he said the electrolyte didn't come out on that one.
2. Did I say highly toxic? (And sweet smelling)
3. Contaminate your house.
I've vented my share of all types of lithium batteries on purpose.
I also was a fire and water restoration technician, job foreman and job coordinator that worked removing smoke odors.
I say that because smoke can't be completely removed from a dwelling.
Add toxic to permanent.
Does it really matter how much if it's your house?
Tapatyped
if a battery is visibly detective I would call into question the entire battery.. Maybe vents are not functioning who knows but one thing I can guarantee is putting it outdoors in a fire safe area won't be burning my house down while at work
There's nothing else to teach you.
You just have to accept what you've been taught.
There are no circuits in that battery.
There are no vents in a lithium cell.
As noted, that would be catastrophic and wouldn't make it out of the clean room where they're manufactured.
Though, I agree. If there's concern, outside it goes.
Tapatyped
Thanks for sharing that information. It's settled then don't leave a battery that you suspect might vent in your' house. You're right about that smokey smell, when I used to live in an apartment complex, a fire started in the building and that building smelled like smoke before we moved out.
The chemistry, reactions and construction of the battery are very important in knowing how they function.
When you said weather could affect the battery, it was imperative to explain how and why that's not possible to alleviate the possible panic you could cause.
To understand the chemical reaction between the electrolyte and air is to know the cell is air tight or would have never made it to @ChelsB.
Therefore your assertion that weather could be a threat can't possibly be true and is a non-issue.
Tapatyped
More than welcomed, kbeam.
Any time I have the time I'll be more than happy to help with battery knowledge.
There's a lot of misconceptions, assumptions and misinformation.
I'd like to see a time where there are none left here.
I'll accept a better understanding overall.
We're getting there slowly.
Tapatyped
Its getting difficult to determine what my level of concern should be... oh, and IMR responded a few minutes ago. All they said was "that's very unusual, have you used it?"
Less than panic.
But if you're concerned, put it outside somewhere fireproof for a couple feet in any direction.
Good. Tell them no. Communication is good.
Here's a cell where you can see how they add button tops to flat top cells.
Notice the welds.
That's a vtc4 with an added button top from my vapor store.
Nothing wrong with them.
Except normally adding a button to a cell normally without one results in a tight fit or not fitting in your mod.
Results in very limited uses for the cell.
Tapatyped
If I were in your shoes I'd recycle at least that one with the crooked button top. Enough waiting & a vague unhelpful response from a vendor that should've done the 'right' thing in their first response.
Not to mention they could've taken all of the 3 seconds it would've taken to look the battery over before shipping it.
Just me, the battery in question wouldn't raise any concerns.
I'd put electrical tape over both ends or anything non conductive (wrap it with kitchen plastic wrap) to insulate the ends & drop it/them at a place that accepts batteries to recycle.
The chance a cell that was shipped across country, has been handled, the added button is secure in place & not lose just suddenly venting for no reason is so slim it isn't worth worrying about.
Not to mention they could've taken all of the 3 seconds it would've taken to look the battery over before shipping it.
Just me, the battery in question wouldn't raise any concerns.
I'd put electrical tape over both ends or anything non conductive (wrap it with kitchen plastic wrap) to insulate the ends & drop it/them at a place that accepts batteries to recycle.
The chance a cell that was shipped across country, has been handled, the added button is secure in place & not lose just suddenly venting for no reason is so slim it isn't worth worrying about.
clearly you don't get it. All your assumptions are based on proper functioning cells. done trying to get through your know it all personality. Detective cell could have metal just shy of making a dead short defect means something went wrong but to what extent. too much to assume but carry on tell people there is nothing to fear when you cannot possibly know that.
I can respect that.
I agree with your stance on their actions before and after sale.
But me?
I'd want a replacement on principle.
Even if it didn't fit my mod.
Especially if it teaches them to look closer so it doesn't happen to others.
Tapatyped
1. EVERY 18650 is just shy of a dead short.
2. Current even cause by putting such a cell into a highly salinated cup of water wouldn't be of concern.
3. If ChelsB cannot move the button, that threat level simply isn't going to change with normal handling. Period.
Here ya go...
ETA: That button top isn't added by the original manufacturer. So the cell itself isn't suspect. Only the placement of the button.
Tapatyped
I stand by return them. If they will accept a return, just go that way. Put them back in the original package and don't use them again. I highly doubt they will self destruct, but if you are that scared, just dump them off at a recycle depot near you. Easy to find. Go to a local shop if your in dire need of an emergency battery. Do check out ilumn.
@ChelsB , Here less than a few months and you already managed to start a battery fight! You go girl!!!!!!!!
How did that old cigarette ad go again? " You've come a long way baby"! LOL
Update: After much back and forth with IMR ( they say I wasn't getting their responses, but I checked my junk folder and nothing was there). They have are sending a replacement and suggested I drop the battery off at a recycling facility. They also said it was impossible for them to check every battery.
I like that they are Sending you a Replacement.
And I appreciate them saying to Drop the Battery off at a Recycling Center.
But Say'n they Can't Check every Battery?
What do they have? A Robot that packs Batteries into Shipping Packs and the Mails them?
I like that they are Sending you a Replacement.
And I appreciate them saying to Drop the Battery off at a Recycling Center.
But Say'n they Can't Check every Battery?
What do they have? A Robot that packs Batteries into Shipping Packs and the Mails them?
I thought that was odd too
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