Who has the most satisfying nicotine?

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I've only tried Vaperite out of those choices and I'll put a vouch in the "it doesn't have that nasty perfumey taste" vote. :)

My favorite was the VR4 organic version of Ry4. G'luck!

I'm really tempted by Rou's Natural Toasted Hazelnut tobacco.

What is your favorite now (and from what vender)?
 

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For me it was nicotine feeling that allowed me to put down the analogs. I haven't gone lower than 24mg. Currently using 36mg.
I noticed a very nice jump when i switched to 36mg. That was one things i liked about this 36mg juice i purchased from Greenhouse One, no extra charge for the 36mg juice. Alot of vendors (if they carry it) charge extra for the higher nicotine.:vapor:
 

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There is an aspect of juice performance that no one has figured out how to control. Fred at Vape the Rockies calls it "lung satisfaction", and that's as good a name as any. Lung satisfaction and throat hit are the two key elements of juice for someone who needs a cigarette replacement. I honestly don't care about vapor. Yes, I would rather blow out thick clouds than wispy puffs, but that's visual and doesn't do anything toward satisfying the addiction that makes me suck on a battery.

Throat hit is easier. You have more say about how much throat hit your juice has, to a point. Oddly, flavorings do play a big role in this and affect the end result, but very pure nic base is the biggest contributor. Most of the nic base out there is of suspect quality. It's clear when you buy it and tinged light amber a few weeks later. The good stuff stays clear, and that's the base that helps give a juice great TH. The problem with TH is that the law of diminishing returns kicks in fast, and that juice that made you cough on the first vape has as much TH as drinking a glass of milk an hour later.

Lung satisfaction is an X factor. I couldn't tell you how we get it. Very few juices do get it. I got lucky and found one of them (Vapor Station Tampa) when I was a brand new vaper. I don't know that vaping would have worked for me if I hadn't found it. I can only really think of a handful of juices that do have it: any VS tobacco, Halo juices, VtR W-J-G Tobac, ECOpure Rich, Mister E 1963, House of Vapor HoVana, Prime Vaping Boston Cream Pie, Nite Lite Gold Rush, Vermont Vapor Smoke. Those are just the one that popped into my head first.

I clearly remember sitting at my dining room table after coming home from work one day last October and opening a package that contained a 30ml of Vapor Station Tampa in 24mg. I took a blast, and that juice told my brain I just took a draw off a full flavor cigarette. I was a new vaper at the time, and no juice makes me feel like I'm smoking a cigarette today and I don't need them to. Smoke and mirrors work with new vapers because they don't have a frame of reference for vaping, so their brains fill in the gaps and tell them that what they're doing is like smoking. That's why those juices that capture those performance cues are so essential. They help the new vaper make the jump and leave cigarettes behind.
 

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From everything that I've seen, what's satisfying to you depends entirely on what you prioritized with smoking -- that is, what it is about smoking that makes it feel like you're still smoking when you vape. There are those I've spoken to who value vapor production over flavour or throat hit. Me, I value throat hit above all else, and vapor production last. I can see where Vapenstein's "lung satisfaction" can come into play; I think that's just the feeling of the vapor in your lungs -- the mental satisfaction that you're taking in a lungful of something based on the feel of it in your lungs (insofar as your lungs have much feeling), or at least that's how I interpret it.

So to determine what liquids are most satisfying, it seems to me that you first need to determine what you found most satisfying about smoking. Once you know that you can figure out roughly what liquids are going to best suit your needs -- though that is still going to take some time as so many vendors have their own blends and different supply chains. Personally, I've found my comfort zone is any liquid of around 24mg with about 20-30% VG content and a decent flavour that gives a good solid throat hit that isn't too dry.

For what it's worth though, at least for me, there was nothing about cigarettes that prevented me from switching completely to E-cigs the moment I put my first one together. In all probability I'm just not that sensitive to the MAOIs that are in cigarettes, so I really didn't miss them at all when I made the switch, but I've read of some who are sensitive to them and for whom switching was more difficult. I don't know if this was the sole contributing factor to what made it hard for them, but I can say that least for me the switch was as easy as switching brands -- easier, even.
 

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I'm really tempted by Rou's Natural Toasted Hazelnut Tobacco.

What is your favorite now (and from what vender)?

I've never had it, but I've only heard good things about it.

My favorite? Well, that would be Boba's Bounty, from Alien Visions :) I've only tried around 80 flavors so far, from I can't think of how many vendors off of the top of my head. There are a great deal more I need to try, but at this point, Boba's is what works for me. Might for you? Might not.
 

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I don't know; surprised my post above didn't garner more attention as yet. There is more to the pleasure and addiction of tobacco use than just the nicotine and thus for some folks there really needs to be more than just nicotine in ejuice. For these people throat hit and nic content can help but this is akin to using a bandaid on a serious gash.
 

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There is an aspect of juice performance that no one has figured out how to control. Fred at Vape the Rockies calls it "lung satisfaction", and that's as good a name as any. Lung satisfaction and throat hit are the two key elements of juice for someone who needs a cigarette replacement. I honestly don't care about vapor. Yes, I would rather blow out thick clouds than wispy puffs, but that's visual and doesn't do anything toward satisfying the addiction that makes me suck on a battery.

Throat hit is easier. You have more say about how much throat hit your juice has, to a point. Oddly, flavorings do play a big role in this and affect the end result, but very pure nic base is the biggest contributor. Most of the nic base out there is of suspect quality. It's clear when you buy it and tinged light amber a few weeks later. The good stuff stays clear, and that's the base that helps give a juice great TH. The problem with TH is that the law of diminishing returns kicks in fast, and that juice that made you cough on the first vape has as much TH as drinking a glass of milk an hour later.

Lung satisfaction is an X factor. I couldn't tell you how we get it. Very few juices do get it. I got lucky and found one of them (Vapor Station Tampa) when I was a brand new vaper. I don't know that vaping would have worked for me if I hadn't found it. I can only really think of a handful of juices that do have it: any VS tobacco, Halo juices, VtR W-J-G Tobac, ECOpure Rich, Mister E 1963, House of Vapor HoVana, Prime Vaping Boston Cream Pie, Nite Lite Gold Rush, Vermont Vapor Smoke. Those are just the one that popped into my head first.

I clearly remember sitting at my dining room table after coming home from work one day last October and opening a package that contained a 30ml of Vapor Station Tampa in 24mg. I took a blast, and that juice told my brain I just took a draw off a full flavor cigarette. I was a new vaper at the time, and no juice makes me feel like I'm smoking a cigarette today and I don't need them to. Smoke and mirrors work with new vapers because they don't have a frame of reference for vaping, so their brains fill in the gaps and tell them that what they're doing is like smoking. That's why those juices that capture those performance cues are so essential. They help the new vaper make the jump and leave cigarettes behind.

Thank you. I looked up Vapor Station, but they don't tell me what the ratio is on their standard blend. From previous experience, pure PG irritates my throat way too much. 80/20 is better, but gets to me after a while. Granted, some of that may be the quality of the flavorings as well, but I think I want to try something in the 70/30 to 50/50 range with natural or organic flavoring.

Thanks again for sharing your experience.
 

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I don't know; surprised my post above didn't garner more attention as yet. There is more to the pleasure and addiction of tobacco use than just the nicotine and thus for some folks there really needs to be more than just nicotine in ejuice. For these people throat hit and nic content can help but this is akin to using a bandaid on a serious gash.

I definitely read it and agree with it (I even checked out the nicotine forum). I just don't know what to do with the information except for getting recommendations for juices and places to order from that satisfy more than others. Even the web sites posted here that are supposed to have satisfying juices for smokers don't really talk about what makes them different so figuring out where to order from is difficult.
 

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Cool. I guess my main goal is to get this awareness out there as much as possible so perhaps one day one will not need to be or know a chemist to get eliquid with WTAs/MAOIs. Obviously enough nicotine first plus a juice that gives a satisfying vape in terms of taste and feel is key but for some people it is not the whole enchilada. Be aware perhaps you are chasing a dragon that doesn't quite exist on the market. At least yet.
 
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I've tried fsusa, vixen vapor, gourmet vapor, backwoods brew...and one other can't remember at the moment...I quit cigs mostly with the vixen vapor without craving too badly, but today I got my first bottle of Vaperite, an organic house extracted tobacco...It made my head swim, even 3 mgs less strong than I'm used to...I literally got a nicotine rush! I didn't care for the tea taste, but cut it with some dark chocolate and amazingly it worked to mask the tea flavor...I had to chime in because it's the first time in nearly two months of vaping I really got that "ahhh" feeling!
 

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I'm really tempted by Rou's Natural Toasted Hazelnut Tobacco.

What is your favorite now (and from what vender)?


I have had the Rous Toasted Hazelnut and it is absolutely a wonderful juice. My only problem is the throat hit....... or lung satisfaction. I just couldn't seem to get it iwth this juice but the taste is out of this world. It's just that I've come to expect a bigger stronger hit that satisfies me. Rous wasn't made for that. I vape the Vermillion River Kentucky Premium exclusively and people seem to either love it or don't. I found out today that part of the base of the juice is hazelnut. Good luck on your search !
 

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I have had the Rous Toasted Hazelnut and it is absolutely a wonderful juice. My only problem is the throat hit....... or lung satisfaction. I just couldn't seem to get it iwth this juice but the taste is out of this world. It's just that I've come to expect a bigger stronger hit that satisfies me. Rous wasn't made for that. I vape the Vermillion River Kentucky Premium exclusively and people seem to either love it or don't. I found out today that part of the base of the juice is hazelnut. Good luck on your search !

Thanks. It may be perfect for me then since I don't think I want a strong throat hit (I might be sensitive to PG, or perhaps I just don't like the pain).
 

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I've tried fsusa, vixen vapor, gourmet vapor, backwoods brew...and one other can't remember at the moment...I quit cigs mostly with the vixen vapor without craving too badly, but today I got my first bottle of Vaperite, an organic house extracted tobacco...It made my head swim, even 3 mgs less strong than I'm used to...I literally got a nicotine rush! I didn't care for the tea taste, but cut it with some dark chocolate and amazingly it worked to mask the tea flavor...I had to chime in because it's the first time in nearly two months of vaping I really got that "ahhh" feeling!

Nice. I'm sold. Just have to settle on the cartomizers I want to use....
 

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One more question to those that have tried Vaperite. Is it only the tobacco flavors or do all the flavors have that something some of the others are missing? The reason I ask is the only non pre-packaged juice supplier I've tried was Bluemist. I think they extracted their nicotine from actual tobacco and most of their flavors are somewhat satisfying (i.e. I could go 8 hours without missing a smoke too badly, even with the non-tobacco flavors).
 

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One more question to those that have tried Vaperite. Is it only the tobacco flavors or do all the flavors have that something some of the others are missing? The reason I ask is the only non pre-packaged juice supplier I've tried was Bluemist. I think they extracted their nicotine from actual tobacco and most of their flavors are somewhat satisfying (i.e. I could go 8 hours without missing a smoke too badly, even with the non-tobacco flavors).

I can say that his Toffle is outstanding, and definitely had something other juices I've tried were missing. I don't know if Todd extracts his own nicotine, but I do know he extracts many of his own flavours, which may be the difference.
 
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