Who is using 14500 Protected in Protege?
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Well now I'm thinking I can use both mods and once and rotate and then I'll get better longevity before swapping out battys. LOL
OK Lucky, I decided to run a test on one of my new Trustfire batteries from HTD. The battery I used in this test has been through 4 charge cycles. I used my Protege with a fairly new atomizer. The resistance of the atty is 2.8 Ohms. How I performed this test was that I tested the battery before the test and then used it on my Protege for 30 minutes runs. I would then take the battery out of the protege and insert it into one of my nicosticks. I took a voltage reading with no load and then pushed the button and checked the voltage of the battery under load with another atty on the nicostick that also had a resistance of 2.8 ohms. I repeated this sequence until the battery protection circuit kicked in. The results are as follows:
unloaded under load
Initial voltage 4.17 3.93
after 30 minutes 4.02 3.79
after 1 hour 3.91 3.70
After 1.5 hours 3.83 3.62
After 2.0 hours 3.77 3.54
After 2.5 hours 3.72 3.48
After 3.0 hours 3.62 3.42
After 3.15 hours 2.93 0.00
This test was conducted while I was watching TV and surfing the web. I usually take 5 to 6 second drags on my Protege. So you could say I'm a very heavy hitter when I'm not busy doing something that requires my full attention. I normally don't push one that hard but since I was testing I naturally over did it.
You can see that the last 15 minutes the voltage dropped off rather quickly.
Kevin
unloaded under load
Initial voltage 4.17 3.93
after 30 minutes 4.02 3.79
after 1 hour 3.91 3.70
After 1.5 hours 3.83 3.62
After 2.0 hours 3.77 3.54
After 2.5 hours 3.72 3.48
After 3.0 hours 3.62 3.42
After 3.15 hours 2.93 0.00
This test was conducted while I was watching TV and surfing the web. I usually take 5 to 6 second drags on my Protege. So you could say I'm a very heavy hitter when I'm not busy doing something that requires my full attention. I normally don't push one that hard but since I was testing I naturally over did it.
You can see that the last 15 minutes the voltage dropped off rather quickly.
Kevin
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Kevin, thanks, and ya, that's what they seem to be doing and it may just be standard. IMO this sucks. I thought we were supposed to get hours of satisfying vaping off a 900 mAh 14500, but I guess not.
What I am doing, is I soon will have in my possession all 4 major 14500 batteries that people buy. A few people, including Steve, have been generous enough to send me a Tenergy unprotected, a Ultra Fire Protected, and and AW protected. I do not know how to test load, but I am going to vape each one individually and check the voltage each hour. This way all 4 can be tested by one person with the same vaping habits. Ya, the thing is pasted to my face most the time. lol
Once I have all the batteries and have completed this test, I will post my findings in detail for all to share with to learn.
What I am doing, is I soon will have in my possession all 4 major 14500 batteries that people buy. A few people, including Steve, have been generous enough to send me a Tenergy unprotected, a Ultra Fire Protected, and and AW protected. I do not know how to test load, but I am going to vape each one individually and check the voltage each hour. This way all 4 can be tested by one person with the same vaping habits. Ya, the thing is pasted to my face most the time. lol
Once I have all the batteries and have completed this test, I will post my findings in detail for all to share with to learn.
What kind of times are you getting Lucky?
I probably saw it somewhere but stopped watching the thread everyday. I thought it was sorted.
My GF uses the Protege and usually goes all day but she isn't using it like an airhose
I can get 4 or 5 hours out of my Protege but usually use the Prodigy unless I'm oot and aboot.
I think it's kewl that people have been sending you batts to try. Whata great community I'd be willing to swap Protege's with you if you wanna try that (I have two).
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I probably saw it somewhere but stopped watching the thread everyday. I thought it was sorted.
My GF uses the Protege and usually goes all day but she isn't using it like an airhose
I can get 4 or 5 hours out of my Protege but usually use the Prodigy unless I'm oot and aboot.
I think it's kewl that people have been sending you batts to try. Whata great community
I'd be willing to swap Protege's with you if you wanna try that (I have two).>
Brock, thanks. lol Steve has my Protege and has it all spiffied up and has been vaping on it for several days now and it's soon on it's way back to mommie.
As for times, I would estimate just from my brief doings since I pulled my head out and am using a multi meter, something similar to what he posted above, maybe a bit less and a bit more drop than he has posted, but I have to officially do this and write it all down.
I didn't catch my mistake. The last 2 readings should have said 3.0 hours and dead at 3.15 hours. Guess I was not paying attention. I need an editor to screen my messages.
Kevin
Yup, I don't have a multimeter but I use the UltraFire protected and put one in last night before bed that I'm still vaping strong on. I have 4 in rotation and usually can't use them fast enough. I don't think I'm a crazy heavy vaper but I run through 2.5-3 ml a day and usually switch out the battery once a day (twice if I just feel like swapping for a fresh one, but the protege has never really required it). I use the protege exclusively, 510 atty dripping constantly. Looks like they are twice as much as the TrustFires from DX but after reading through this thread I'm glad I went that route (and maybe they last twice as long in relation?).
I hate to dissappoint you but the Ultrafires are really no different than the Trustfires. My first 4 bats were Trustfires from DX. One came DOA but at the price I guess I couldn't complain too much. The next order I bought 8 Ultrafire silver batteries from DX. One came in DOA and another one died after one week. I have used them side by side and can find no difference except that the Trustfires fit the Protege better because they are slightly smaller in diameter. Sometimes I have to struggle to get the Ultrafires out of the Protege. 2 of the first 8 Ultrafires have an intermittant issue with the protection circuit.
Otherwise the performance of the Ultrafires seems to be identical to the Trustfires.
Every time you charge one of these batteries you will lose a little capacity. If you are lucky you will be able to do this 300 times before they die. For me I will never get to that point because the drop in performance begins long before the 300th charge.
Doesn't disappoint me at all, guess I'm just a light vaper then cuz I just swapped out the battery 2 hours ago so pretty much from 9 this morning to 8 this evening for me, 11 hours on 1 battery vaping just the protege all day. The vape did drop off pretty drastically at the end there. Maybe it's DX? I got mine off of BatteryJunction.com.
Yes, compared to the way I vaped in the test you must be a very lite vaper. The batteries I used for the test were from Hightechdeals.com. They are comparable with the other batteries. I have bought from DX, Tenergy, Batteryjunction, batteryspace and others.
I have a theory, that is unproven, that there is one big battery factory in China. They do have an ISO-9001 certification, or so they say. They sort the production according to quality. The best ones are sold at one price and the others at a discount price. They also are an OEM producer and make batteries for specific companies according to strict specifications. So, how do you know which group of batteries you are buying? That's the $64.000 question.
I can testify to the fact that the DX batteries appear to be from the group where QC is poor (or known). I think the QC on the Tenergy batteries is much better. I haven't had a problem with any of the Tenergy batteries I have purchased. The guys on the flashlight forums swear by the AW batteries. I haven't bought any AW batteries so I don't know.
But, batteries, like atomizers are expendable. So maybe the expensive batteries will last longer but is it worth it? All rechargable batteries end up failing one day.
I have a theory, that is unproven, that there is one big battery factory in China. They do have an ISO-9001 certification, or so they say. They sort the production according to quality. The best ones are sold at one price and the others at a discount price. They also are an OEM producer and make batteries for specific companies according to strict specifications. So, how do you know which group of batteries you are buying? That's the $64.000 question.
I can testify to the fact that the DX batteries appear to be from the group where QC is poor (or known). I think the QC on the Tenergy batteries is much better. I haven't had a problem with any of the Tenergy batteries I have purchased. The guys on the flashlight forums swear by the AW batteries. I haven't bought any AW batteries so I don't know.
But, batteries, like atomizers are expendable. So maybe the expensive batteries will last longer but is it worth it? All rechargable batteries end up failing one day.
Just updating and checking in. Someone so kindly sent me a brand spanking new AW battery. It came fully charged at 4.1 v. It's vaping like a champion. I'm 3 hours into it with continuous vaping. It started at 4.1 and is now at 3.8 and still vaping nicely. What I do not understand is when I check the voltage and drop time on some of my trust fires, by the time they get to 3.8 v they are sucking wind and they get there in about 2 hours or so also. WHY at the same voltage on 2 different batteries do I have a pleasurable experience on one brand and not on the other? Could these trust fires even be underrated on voltage? I realize they are on mAh, but voltage? Any thoughts??? Once I have been using the multi meter, I do not see these trust fires dropping as Steve described with one of the batteries he has of mine, but WHY the horrible vape? I would think it would be contacts, but it can't be contacts, because why is the AW one working perfectly?
Different discharge rate. A slower discharge rate = poorer vape. But it allows a batt manufacturer to claim a higher mah rating.
I will, it's charging now so I'm going to see if I can have another 4 hours of good, blissful vaping on it again. This morning I have put in trust fire after trust fire. One is at 4 v and it won't vape well I do NOT get this. lol
Hi Lucky,
One thing I've noticed is that my batteries seem to last longer using the 510 adapter than they do using the 801 adapter. Does the 801 atomiser use more power to run, I wonder?
One thing I've noticed is that my batteries seem to last longer using the 510 adapter than they do using the 801 adapter. Does the 801 atomiser use more power to run, I wonder?
Seriously, I do not think I have a battery problem. I have went through every single step with my multi meter and an electrician and it's not the switch. I truly believe it's my adapter. No one else is having the issues I am with the 14500s or whining that they aren't getting decent vapor and throat hit off their Protege. I am. That is a problem. The 510 actually uses MORE power than an 801 I believe. So that is strange. I know it uses more than a 901.
Why don't you order a new 510 adapter? If that turns out to be the problem then send the defective one back.
I've been using the trustfire protected 5.64 from DX
And using the tenergy that came with protege.
From my experience the tenergy last a lot longer and the trustfires suck.
I didn't use my multimeter but I can tell the trusfires have been dropping off quicker.
I'm just going to go for the unprotected tenergys for now. (they fit the best too)
And using the tenergy that came with protege.
From my experience the tenergy last a lot longer and the trustfires suck.
I didn't use my multimeter but I can tell the trusfires have been dropping off quicker.
I'm just going to go for the unprotected tenergys for now. (they fit the best too)
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