Why all the worry?

[kevc978]

Folks, i dont know why you are worrying about the ban on e-cigs

It may be real but it aint happening. Think of the day and age we are in.. not the alcohol prohibition era... This is the day and age of facebook, twitter and other social networking phenomena

There will never be a government ban on any e-cig products.. WHY? Because we, the general public that keeps them in a job, wont let it happen.

YES, the FDA might collapse under its own feet... so be it.. what good was the FDA anyway

YES, the MHRA in the UK might trip itself up and fall.. good... they have probably done more harm than good authorising the use of champix.


My point is, dont worry... we have a flawless product. Its top notch, does what it does.. the pharmaceutical companies are kicking themselves in the ... for not thinking about it sooner. They have been beaten in probably one of the biggest markets of the world, Why should we care..


My 2 cents

 

[CaminoDiablo]

Wish I had your belief in Government. The Government I know would shoot first and ask questions later. It's so messed up, they do what they want no matter what we think. Think of the Health Care Bill. Most people didn't want it but they did it any way and now we just gave our kids a debt they can never pay. I hope your right but they normally don't care about the people only money.

 

[DemonCowboy]

it's not the government we have to worry about letting it happen though - if it gets banned it's because WE allow it. if you stop vaping when they say they've banned it then it will be banned and keep electing the same idiots into office then it will stay banned. if you say "yeah, right, whatever" and keep vaping and such then the ban will prove to mean nothing and they'll have no choice but to give up - especially if u do what u can to run the current fools out of office in favor of different fools.

 

[MoonRose]

We just have to keep getting in their faces and make them show us the proof that these are as dangerous or more dangerous than tobacco cigarettes. I don't buy it personally, not when I'm breathing better than I have in years. I haven't heard of nor seen any severe adverse effects or deaths related to the use of e-cigs, they can't say the same about the majority of FDA approved drugs that are on the market these days. They want long term studies, then study us, because I refuse to give up my right to determine what is healthier and better for me.

 

[AttyPops]

Wish I had your belief in Government. The Government I know would shoot first and ask questions later. It's so messed up, they do what they want no matter what we think. Think of the Health Care Bill. Most people didn't want it but they did it any way and now we just gave our kids a debt they can never pay. I hope your right but they normally don't care about the people only money.

That's very pessimistic....

Most people wanted health care reform... we just didn't get it (thank the obstructionists for that). Health care costs are bankrupting our society, rising several times the rate of inflation and stunting business. Its a minority that is against some form of reform. The debate is really as to what/how. I guess my point is that special interests and PACs and vocal extremists can ruin anything.....including e-cigs. But I digress....

The worry is a reaction to the FDA's past/current attempts to ban e-cigs. A real worry, since they really tried. Hope they see the light.

kevc978 - I like your optimism.

 

[evilferret]

I'm sorry but we all wanted subsidized health insurance or regulation of the insurance companies. Not that proposed health bill.

For Small Business owners that health care "reform" will force them to fire many people or put them under the books. We're forced to provide insurance to all our workers. If that happens I'll have to let a few people go (I can't afford wages + insurance).

Large companies will benefit since they'll get a break on their insurance which most major companies already provide to their employees.

Majority of small business owners do not have insurance because we can not afford it. So its basically forcing business owners a "tax" that ultimately really helps large companies.

I see this as insurance lobbyists trying to make their money on people's fears.

I want to see regulation of insurance companies or it subsidized.

Or I rather see the medical industry move towards being more about maintenance and prevention than a la carte surgery. They should be maintaining us, not charging us for services for illness they could have prevented.



Sorry for going off topic.

And more conspiracy theories, I truly believe the FDA is starting this crap because of Big Tobacco. They've been lobbying nicotine is safe just not while being smoked. I bet in 5 years they'll be providing juice for nebulizers made by Big Medicine (with a markup of course).


This is what happens when you're sick at home with an ulcer, just trying to pass the day. I swear theres a system! An ultimate plan where everything is connected!

 

[warbdan]

They'll have to pry my e-cig out of my cold, dead hands. Legal or not, I'm using it. If the government does ban e-cigs, they'll just get another 1 finger salute from me.
"I am my own country, the United States Confederate of Me!" -Pennywise

 

[davidzx]

We must consider this -

The United States of America is (or was for a very long time) the powerhouse of the world. I've been around the globe - and I can affirm that there is no country or place on earth that can reflect the peace, beauty, and security of this nation.

BUT WHY? WHY US?

Because Americans are unique.

We're modest hard working people - but when we have to fight WE PULL TO THE END, CUT-THROATS, CLAW OURSELVES TO THE TOP, AND WIN.

It dates back to our founding - The Revolutionary War.

As a student of politics and world history, there is no comparison to the persistence and perseverance of Americans.

JUST LOOK AT THIS FORUM! Look at the clubs, petitions, organizations FIGHTING HARD against the FDA.

I cannot bring to mind another nation or society that would fight so hard for a cause.

Thereto, there is no doubt on my mind that WE THE PEOPLE shall prevail over corrupt partisan politics.

As long as we don't sit still, electronic cigarettes will never be taken from us.

Just my two cents.

 

[BlueMoods]

I don't know, vaping is still new, but if we fight for them as hard as the NRA fights for gun owners rights, there may be localized bans and restrictions, but not nationwide.

Yes as a gun owner I have had to deal with the background checks, Brady Bill and other regulation I find ridiulous and useless. (Okay so a criminal can't buy a gun from a reputaple dealer but, it's a criminal so, do you think that will really keep him from getting a gun?)

I can see a similar situation with e-cigs happening. Okay so you need a perscription to legally have one and get juice but, you had it befor the law and can't afford a doctor so, you go find someone wh has a script and gets more than they need to sell some to you. Did the ban stop you from having and using an e cig? No, just made you take an extra few steps to do what you wanted anyway.

Bans don't work plain and simple. people find ways around them. Same for smoking bans, sure no indoor smoking here, except in a private club so, guess what, there are a ton of "private club" restraunts and BYOB that charge a dime for lifetime membership.

Ban e cigs all you want, I'll still vape, and I'll still have nicotine in mt juice, in the flavors I prefer, just might need to find a new supplier is all.

 

[warbdan]

I don't know, vaping is still new, but if we fight for them as hard as the NRA fights for gun owners rights, there may be localized bans and restrictions, but not nationwide.

Yes as a gun owner I have had to deal with the background checks, Brady Bill and other regulation I find ridiulous and useless. (Okay so a criminal can't buy a gun from a reputaple dealer but, it's a criminal so, do you think that will really keep him from getting a gun?)

I can see a similar situation with e-cigs happening. Okay so you need a perscription to legally have one and get juice but, you had it befor the law and can't afford a doctor so, you go find someone wh has a script and gets more than they need to sell some to you. Did the ban stop you from having and using an e cig? No, just made you take an extra few steps to do what you wanted anyway.

Bans don't work plain and simple. people find ways around them. Same for smoking bans, sure no indoor smoking here, except in a private club so, guess what, there are a ton of "private club" restraunts and BYOB that charge a dime for lifetime membership.

Ban e cigs all you want, I'll still vape, and I'll still have nicotine in mt juice, in the flavors I prefer, just might need to find a new supplier is all.

Well said. The government doesn't know what's best for everybody. They just want more tax money. As soon as they can regulate the e-liquids and tax them, we'll have no problems. Phillip Morris will probably make all the e-liquid then though, but that's another worry.

 

[Poke]

Phillip Morris will probably make all the e-liquid then though, but that's another worry.

Aye you can garuantee they'll start messing with the processes and ingredients, making it "smoother" etc and yet again crap like ammonia will end up back into what we smoke/vape.

I have zero faith in politicians but absolute faith in the ingenuity of human beings. The modular nature of e-cigs will make it hard to ban outright. What's an atomiser by itself? or a battery? Liquid nicotine...ok that's more of a target but that would be hard to ban on health grounds without coming dangerously close to the FDA's buddies in the Tobacco industry.

What we need is health professionals to make the case of the lesser of 2 evils, until such a time as scientific studies can be completed (if there's even any such studies underway?).

 

[warbdan]

Since my wife showed her dse901 to our family doctor, he's been recommending it to his smoking patients to try to get them off of tobacco cigarettes. He agrees that it's a much safer alternative. Everybody needs to clue their doctors in that such an alternative exists. They could be our secret weapons in this.

 

[Luisa]

Aye you can garuantee they'll start messing with the processes and ingredients, making it "smoother" etc and yet again crap like ammonia will end up back into what we smoke/vape.

I have zero faith in politicians but absolute faith in the ingenuity of human beings. The modular nature of e-cigs will make it hard to ban outright. What's an atomiser by itself? or a battery? Liquid nicotine...ok that's more of a target but that would be hard to ban on health grounds without coming dangerously close to the FDA's buddies in the Tobacco industry.

What we need is health professionals to make the case of the lesser of 2 evils, until such a time as scientific studies can be completed (if there's even any such studies underway?).

There are plenty of health professionals making the case for ecigs. The problem is the FDA--they won"t listen. There are already research studies on the ecig. Caasa is trying to fund one now on air quality. Your donation would help a lot and your help in encouraging others to donate would be a positive step toward this goal. Thanks

 

[ckc]

KevC, i'm in the UK same as you but after reading that the Nicotine Regs have been a long time coming, way before the E-Cig even came to the UK i've stocked up. There's no way that a silly little E-Cig is going to mess up their big plans. Even Philip Morris requested that E-Cigs be brought into regulation.

 

[Toby]

Folks, i dont know why you are worrying about the ban on e-cigs...

Cos they are the Government; we are a tiny minority; there is/has always been a lot of corruption; they (big business and the government) want a piece of the pie; e-smoking is a revolution; and our fuel (nicotine) is lethal poison when ingested in relatively small doses...

Those are the first few reasons that come to mind in the time it's taken to type this...

 

[Bahnzo]

Personally, I'm not worried. Even if the FDA tries, they won't be successful. It'll just move things underground. Besides, you really think they can ban the parts that make a PV? PG or VG? Food Flavorings? I'm really only worried about pure nic juice...but that'll just be sold as "Organic Pesticide". I've taught myself to build mods, I'm teaching myself DIY juice making.

I worry mostly for those who can't and for those who don't know about PV's yet. A ban by the FDA would really hurt those people most, and for that reason alone it can't be allowed to happen.

 

[DemonCowboy]

even if it does happen bahnzo there will still be us converting ppl here and there in person. worst case scenario nic juice will become the new 200proof whiskey...lol - though i doubt we'll be selling THAT in mason jars...

 

[Luisa]

That's very pessimistic....

Most people wanted health care reform... we just didn't get it (thank the obstructionists for that). Health care costs are bankrupting our society, rising several times the rate of inflation and stunting business. Its a minority that is against some form of reform. The debate is really as to what/how. I guess my point is that special interests and PACs and vocal extremists can ruin anything.....including e-cigs. But I digress....

The worry is a reaction to the FDA's past/current attempts to ban e-cigs. A real worry, since they really tried. Hope they see the light.

kevc978 - I like your optimism.

What obstructionists on the health care bill? Congress wasn"t even given time to read it before it passed exactly as it was written.

 

[firefox335]

They'll have to pry my e-cig out of my cold, dead hands. Legal or not, I'm using it. If the government does ban e-cigs, they'll just get another 1 finger salute from me.
"I am my own country, the United States Confederate of Me!" -Pennywise

Hey, now that's an awesome song by an awesome band!

Personally, I'm scared. This particular administration has ignored the will of the people more than any other in the past. And that's really saying something. Anytime you have liberty taking a back seat to bureaucracy, it's a bad thing. But that's been going on for decades if not centuries. I don't really think that they can or will ban e-cigs. But I think they will regulate nicotine. That's why I'm trying to move to zero nic. If the FDA has it's way, your zero nic e-liquid will still be $10 an ounce, while e-liquid with nicotine will be taxed until its $60 - $80 an ounce. I can see that happening.

 

[warbdan]

Hell yeah! Pennywise owns!