Why are we so different to Europe?

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DC2

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And when a person from New Jersey arrives at Marine Corps boot camp that kind of attitude disappears quickly. :)
I laughed out loud.

I love the folks from New Jersey and certain areas of New York.
My best friends in life have often been from those areas.

I don't like political correctness, and they don't even know what that is.
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It's also one of the reasons I don't take too well to people from the San Francisco area.
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Hello guys,

So living in the States while being from Europe I get to see both sides of the vape industry and how all markets are different.

The one thing I noticed is that hardly anyone in Europe is participating in this hype of cloud chasing. Most set ups are simply based for your regular mouth to lung vapor.

So my question is, why do you believe that we are so crazy about cloud chasing? Please no replies like "Bigger and better USA" I really would like to know why this market is so crazy about this stuff. Is it that we follow the Thai style of vaping or what is it?

Please Note: Personally I see a danger with cloud chasing but I believe whatever works to keep you of cigs is the way to go. I don't care either way I just want to get some input to see if you guys know why we are so different to the European market.

How do you know that "hardly anyone in Europe is participating in this hype of cloud chasing?" I don't think you can possibly know such a thing. Or perhaps you have unimpeachable facts you can offer us?
 

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I dont go out and see ppl walking down the streets blowing clouds. Ive been vaping around other vapers and blow a cloud and they dont even really know about it. Theyll ask wow how do u do that. Most ppl I see are using mvp's with carto tanks etc. I would assume ppl cloud chase in europe as well as other countries. I do all kinds of builds and its fun to blow some big clouds now and then. I think for most it turns into a hobby in a way ...at least for me.
 

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How do you know that "hardly anyone in Europe is participating in this hype of cloud chasing?" I don't think you can possibly know such a thing. Or perhaps you have unimpeachable facts you can offer us?

If you look at vendor sites and modder sites based in European countries you dont really ever see them selling "competition grade" RDAs, whatever that crap even means.

You also typically do not see many if any european reviewers doing cloudchasing. Take Todd and AndrewWVids and Igetcha69 and ABloodyGoodVaping as examples.

This isnt scientific proof yet it does paint a clear picture of current market trends.

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Living here for several years with a wife from here , I can only say that the ideas are differant . Everyone wants stuff but here space cost and as you learn what you want may not be what you need . Does a ego battery with a simple ce4/5 get you a vape that you like ....maybe yes . Does more mean better ? Not realy . Just because you can doesnt mean you should . Would it be nice to have a McHouse with 3000 sg ft. ...........on a two acre plot of land ? Well yes . But why ? Why would a 70 m2 house be what you need with plenty of useing space be just as good ? Kind of the way of thinking . Use what you feel good about . I use a simple set up that works well and is reliable , easy to cary , built like a tank , and i'm happy with it . What you like will be differant , so why should it be this or that ,we are all part of this community and we like what we do . Live and let live like they use to say . :)

Well, houses are just bigger in the US in general. We have more undeveloped space to put them on in most places anyway. 3000 Sq Ft. house is about average around here I think. I think the first thing allot of people say after going to visit Europe is how small the homes are. I am sure I could get use to living in a more confined space and it would be just fine. Well I have. In the US many start off in small house and move up to larger ones as they get older and their income increases. Then they long for simpler times when they had a smaller house with much less STUFF to have to take care of and deal with! Americans are funny that way. Maybe a bit spoiled!
 

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I'm brazilian, I'm even get the right to opinate, but I'll try. Being a brazilian, if you have a soccer ball on your feet, you're happy. If you have food on your plate, you're happy. If you gotta job to pay the bills, you're happy. If you have two hours per day, between two shifts of work, plus some time for taking a rest, to see your kids and play with them, and see them growing up, you're happy. Here, you work on the weekends, no aditional. If you dont want the job, there's someone who might want it. Here you have no choice.

Pick or pull out of the car.


Sorry for the outburst. Couldn't control. I wrote this based on what yoitstj said.
 

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Well said MrVP. It would do well for some to acquaint themselves with the favelas and poorer areas of Brazil. They may then appreciate their own situation better. There are always those who are a lot worse off. If you raise your head off the pillow in the morning, make the most of the day and be happy. Life is unbelievably short.
 

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I'm brazilian, I'm even get the right to opinate, but I'll try. Being a brazilian, if you have a soccer ball on your feet, you're happy. If you have food on your plate, you're happy. If you gotta job to pay the bills, you're happy. If you have two hours per day, between two shifts of work, plus some time for taking a rest, to see your kids and play with them, and see them growing up, you're happy. Here, you work on the weekends, no aditional. If you dont want the job, there's someone who might want it. Here you have no choice.

Pick or pull out of the car.


Sorry for the outburst. Couldn't control. I wrote this based on what yoitstj said.
I think people who struggle and make do with what they can are beautiful.
I always wish the best for them, and try to help if I can.

As for myself, I have only struggled for about one month of my entire life, way back in 1994 when I faced a small crisis.

My family could have easily bailed me out of this small crisis.
But I did it myself.

It isn't much, but it helps build character one needs to be human.
Or at least to recognize and appreciate humanity.
 

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I had a Czech friend take a picture of the inside of her refrigerator---

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For the Americans, look inside your refrigerator. Europeans I know make do with less...
 

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As an European, I say that is not quite true.

In Portugal lots of people do cloud chasing, and lots don't.
I don't even think this is due to difrent cultures.

It's just, some people like to cloud chase and others don't.
People do wathever works for them.

I bet there is a lot more people in the USA that don't cloud chase.
We do have different cultures, but I think this subject have more about personal choices rather than cultural differences.

Edit: for all the people saying Europeans are more simple or do the same with less....that is absolutely not true. We are like every human being in the world. We just don't do it because our financial reality it's way different then in USA. But the ones who have some money buy expensive cars, houses,etc....
 
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I had a Czech friend take a picture of the inside of her refrigerator---

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For the Americans, look inside your refrigerator. Europeans I know make do with less...

Apart from it being nice and clean - looks like your average student fridge to me.

I must point out again that Europe is a fairly large chunk of land criss-crossed with borders separating different different countries from one another. Countries with quite different cultures. The further you go, the more different it gets. I.e Norwegian culture has no more in common with Greek culture than American culture does. Maybe even less as you probably have a whole lot more Greeks (and descendants) than we do.
 

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I had a Czech friend take a picture of the inside of her refrigerator---

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For the Americans, look inside your refrigerator. Europeans I know make do with less...

I am pretty sure that lots of Europeans buy their food fresh, each day for their meals so I dont think this a a valid argument.

If that is not the case, then they dont have enough money because it all goes to the socialist government :D
 

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I am pretty sure that lots of Europeans buy their food fresh, each day for their meals so I dont think this a a valid argument.

If that is not the case, then they dont have enough money because it all goes to the socialist government :D

Now that's a low blow! Can't help but laugh my ... off anyway :D :toast:
 

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I am pretty sure that lots of Europeans buy their food fresh, each day for their meals so I dont think this a a valid argument.

If that is not the case, then they dont have enough money because it all goes to the socialist government :D

Lol, joke aside, you got it right, in both arguments.

We do buy fresh food for our meals everyday,( as long as I know in Portugal and Spain we still do that) and a big chunk of our little incomes goes to our gov ( socialists and democrats are all the same, just different names).

Just to give you a example how bad it is, our minimum salary is 520€, our next state budget is going to tax e-liquids with 0.60€ per ml, (lol this is so ridiculous), in Spain the minimum salary is 800+€ and they are considering the same tax at 0.05€.

Bottom line, if we could we would change places with you guys(I guess we can use the saying " my neighbors lawn is greener than mine" or something like that , lol)
 

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Lol, joke aside, you got it right, in both arguments.

We do buy fresh food for our meals everyday,( as long as I know in Portugal and Spain we still do that) and a big chunk of our little incomes goes to our gov ( socialists and democrats are all the same, just different names).

Just to give you a example how bad it is, our minimum salary is 520€, our next state budget is going to tax e-liquids with 0.60€ per ml, (lol this is so ridiculous), in Spain the minimum salary is 800+€ and they are considering the same tax at 0.05€.

Bottom line, if we could we would change places with you guys(I guess we can use the saying " my neighbors lawn is greener than mine" or something like that , lol)

I think that's more of a Mediterranean way of handling food. Fresh, good food. Up here we're traditionally more into storing stuff long term. Buried, dead fish. Traditionally that is. Nowadays all we eat is taco.
 

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Apart from it being nice and clean - looks like your average student fridge to me.

I must point out again that Europe is a fairly large chunk of land criss-crossed with borders separating different different countries from one another. Countries with quite different cultures. The further you go, the more different it gets. I.e Norwegian culture has no more in common with Greek culture than American culture does. Maybe even less as you probably have a whole lot more Greeks (and descendants) than we do.

Could well be true, but I was only referring to the Czech Republic, which is very closely aligned with America, culturally speaking. The vape meets I have been to in Prague didn't turn into cloud blowing contests. Most used eGo sized devices, with ProVari sized mods being the largest I have seen...

I actually don't know any Czech who goes to the Albert or Tesco daily, and I would love to have their system of government over ours, and I abhor socialism...
 
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