OMG I've been looking for a place to store my cartilage. Thank you so much!
Now what to do with these bones and other body parts...
Why buy the $70+ starter kits??
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OMG I've been looking for a place to store my cartilage. Thank you so much!
Now what to do with these bones and other body parts...
Because some folks like the fiddle factor. They LIKE playing with all of the equipment.
Just like some folks HAVE to collect all the new cartomizers and tanks as well as all the Mods that come out.
Me, I started with a $30 kit fron Liberty Flights and ended up with an Ego-T pass-through to the wall with tank cartridges since I do a lot of computer work and unplugging it for short trips is easy.
I really, really don't like cartomizers and the gigantic tanks aren't for me.
It's ALL subjective or, dependent on a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view.
That's why there are so many heated discussions about the best tools, e-liquid, etc.
Folks should just guide each other and let people make up their own minds once they have enough information to decide - on their own.
Which is what ECF is for, eh?
Yep - I went for a kit at first - and I'm going to buy another one! For me it was easier to click and put one item in my cart than several items. Not only that but I didn't have a darn clue about what I needed to get set up, and a kit offered all of that so yeah 
Let's see.. My first kit was 2 510 batteries, a PCC, a USB charger, some cartridges (the old fashioned ones), an A/C adapter and 5 cartilages. I used the AC adapter at work, the USB at home, the PCC when I was out, the cartridges for a couple weeks until I threw them out, and the cartomizers until I used them up. Meanwhile, I ended up buying about 4 more batteries. A second battery is never a waste. More people have gone back to smoking for lack of a charged battery than probably any other single reason. Especially with little mini-cigs, you NEED a second or third or even fourth battery. With a bigger battery that takes hours to charge, what are you supposed to do if you can't charge it when you just happen to be sleeping? Even a 1000mah battery is pushing it to last all day for a lot of people.
What could I have done without? The cartridges ($3), ummm.... That's it. I should have gotten the starter kit with 4 batteries.
If you are starting from scratch, there's not a whole lot of waste there. A/C adapters are only about $4. Five cartomizers are nothing and you should probably get more of them to start with. No newbie just happens to have a 510 charger laying around. Once you're into mods and have proper battery chargers and a supply of batteries and cartomizers, things change, but they don't call them "starter kits" for nothing.
What could I have done without? The cartridges ($3), ummm.... That's it. I should have gotten the starter kit with 4 batteries.
If you are starting from scratch, there's not a whole lot of waste there. A/C adapters are only about $4. Five cartomizers are nothing and you should probably get more of them to start with. No newbie just happens to have a 510 charger laying around. Once you're into mods and have proper battery chargers and a supply of batteries and cartomizers, things change, but they don't call them "starter kits" for nothing.
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I think “Starter Kits” are a Good Thing.
Many Newbies are not very knowledgeable and can be Confused by all the Different configurations a e-Cig can be. 510, KR808, RN4081/BE109, etc.
The Starter Kit ensures that Everything Screws together and should at Least be workable out of the Box.
Many Newbies are not very knowledgeable and can be Confused by all the Different configurations a e-Cig can be. 510, KR808, RN4081/BE109, etc.
The Starter Kit ensures that Everything Screws together and should at Least be workable out of the Box.
There have been some issues regarding the use of chargers that did not come with, or were not designed for, the batteries, even if they look similar. Be sure to use the right equipment. And again, don't go to bed with a battery charging.
Not to mention the fun of trying to piece together a working kit when you can't find everything you think you need at one vendor's site.
Hrm... Batteries are cheapest at ABC.com, but they don't carry the stardusts. DEF.com has the stardusts but they want double price for a charger... etc etc. Not a lot of fun especially when still very inexperienced.
Hrm... Batteries are cheapest at ABC.com, but they don't carry the stardusts. DEF.com has the stardusts but they want double price for a charger... etc etc. Not a lot of fun especially when still very inexperienced.
Also, most vendors make it a point to price the kits at less than the sum of the individual components.
The last kit I bought had a charger and an atomizer that I really didn't need. Those 2 items cost me about $3 more than if I had bought the other stuff separately.
The last kit I bought had a charger and an atomizer that I really didn't need. Those 2 items cost me about $3 more than if I had bought the other stuff separately.
Because it takes what it takes to get where we're going. Success & satisfaction will depend far more upon mindset than money spent, just like in the Real World.
Welcome to ECF, & Happy Vaping!
Welcome to ECF, & Happy Vaping!
Whatever... Basically buy what you think you'll need, and then some backups. Sound advice.
One thing though: try not to charge your batteries while you sleep. Seriously. Most battery failures happen on charger, and you don't want to wake up to a house fire.
And don't vape on this:
One thing though: try not to charge your batteries while you sleep. Seriously. Most battery failures happen on charger, and you don't want to wake up to a house fire.
And don't vape on this:
Bottom line is no one starts vaping an expert, having too much is better then too little, IMO. In the end if the kits help you quit smoking analogs, then they have already paid themselves off, ten folds.
BTW, elfstone.... what the heck it that a picture of? I was almost afraid to ask..... lol.
BTW, elfstone.... what the heck it that a picture of? I was almost afraid to ask..... lol.
I hear you. Looks like a Pile of Humming Birds to Me.
But then again, I never did well on Rore-zock (SP?) tests.
LOL
Kits generally provide you a selection of items at a discount, and when you figure out how much it will cost to buy what you want individually, even if there is a part or two you don't want, the kits still end up being a deal. However, you do want to be clear on what you are going to be needing. Maybe you don't want a wall charger because the kit comes with a usb charger, but the other stuff, you will not only need, but you will need more of.
For instance, kits come with two batteries generally, and you need two, and one of them will die and you will need to replace it immediately. In fact starting with three isn't a bad idea because if one dies and you are down to just one what the hell will you do when it's charging? Even if it's a pass through, you might be out in the wild and it dies and you do not have a backup.
As far as the carts and atties, you're going to be buying a lot more than these my friend, might as well get started out with a deal.
The money you spend on the starter kit is just that, a start, and if you stick with vaping you will be spending a LOT more than this on gear over time. Some folks spend thousands of dollars on them just in the first year, that's overboard I think but that's what they want to do, get lots of gear, try out a lot of things, etc. You can do it much more cheaply but you will definitely be spending more and a lot more than this $70.
In my first year I might have spent $700 or so altogether, including juice, however I was spending almost that a month on analogs so it's still just a drop in the bucket. I didn't even quit smoking the first year, just cut down, and saved over $3K, so spending $700 was a joke. Now I'm off the things and am saving $600 a month now and it's only costing me a fraction of that to vape.
There is so much savings in vaping versus smoking it's almost ridiculous. Some people go crazy and blow all their savings on one PV after another, but starting out, as long as you stay away from the retail crap, you can't go wrong really.
For instance, kits come with two batteries generally, and you need two, and one of them will die and you will need to replace it immediately. In fact starting with three isn't a bad idea because if one dies and you are down to just one what the hell will you do when it's charging? Even if it's a pass through, you might be out in the wild and it dies and you do not have a backup.
As far as the carts and atties, you're going to be buying a lot more than these my friend, might as well get started out with a deal.
The money you spend on the starter kit is just that, a start, and if you stick with vaping you will be spending a LOT more than this on gear over time. Some folks spend thousands of dollars on them just in the first year, that's overboard I think but that's what they want to do, get lots of gear, try out a lot of things, etc. You can do it much more cheaply but you will definitely be spending more and a lot more than this $70.
In my first year I might have spent $700 or so altogether, including juice, however I was spending almost that a month on analogs so it's still just a drop in the bucket. I didn't even quit smoking the first year, just cut down, and saved over $3K, so spending $700 was a joke. Now I'm off the things and am saving $600 a month now and it's only costing me a fraction of that to vape.
There is so much savings in vaping versus smoking it's almost ridiculous. Some people go crazy and blow all their savings on one PV after another, but starting out, as long as you stay away from the retail crap, you can't go wrong really.
So we should unplug our laptops and cellphones at night too?
Many people I know charge their phones & laptops overnight, myself included. Been doing it for many years without a problem even long before there were e-cigs. The only thing that makes e-cigs different is that the charger is external to the device. The same circuitry in our e-cig chargers is built in to laptops and cell phones.
If something's gonna go, it's gonna go. Proper care & maintenance, and a little common sense is the key.
Blame the media for making e-cig battery meltdowns a "big story". You don't often hear about laptops, unless maybe it happens at an airport causing an evacuation / bomb scare. And though it can happen with cellphones too, I don't think I've ever seen it make the headlines.
Unless you go over-stacking unapproved batteries or like to tinker with home fabricated mods, you're generally pretty safe just following the manufacturer's guidelines.
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I bought a v2 kit because I wanted something...anything...that was not a cigarette or oral tobacco. It was like 150 and came with 2 bats, a passthrough, a charging case, some charging dongles/wall adapter, car charger and 20 carts. I used all of that stuff and reordered more carts a few times. Once my batteries started not lasting and I started looking, I found other places and items that I ordered. I now use those pretty much exclusively.
As for new people starting, most of them want something cigarette sized and generally go with names they have heard. That leads you to v2, blu etc. If it gets them where they are going, then it has worked.
Personally, if someone was trying to quit on the cheap, I would recommend an echo kit (mine came with a 650, a 1300, 2 i turbo clearos and a usb charger) for 40-45 bucks or getting an x2 passthrough and some clearos from SI.
I think the road block is a lot of people now start on what is easiest/least intimidating. That makes the stick bats and prefilled kits look very desirable.
As for new people starting, most of them want something cigarette sized and generally go with names they have heard. That leads you to v2, blu etc. If it gets them where they are going, then it has worked.
Personally, if someone was trying to quit on the cheap, I would recommend an echo kit (mine came with a 650, a 1300, 2 i turbo clearos and a usb charger) for 40-45 bucks or getting an x2 passthrough and some clearos from SI.
I think the road block is a lot of people now start on what is easiest/least intimidating. That makes the stick bats and prefilled kits look very desirable.
Im guilty of the starter kit. Had so many good reviews on the web. I had a friend helping me with a good setup and i couldnt understand anything he was saying. So confusing and the starter was simple. Im slowly working my way up and have a new 510. For half the price with lots of yummy juices to play with.
There is a comfort factor involved. Parting with something that's been an integral (dare I even say intimate) part of your life for many many years is a very daunting undertaking. There is a level of comfort in the perception of preparedness that comes with buying a "full kit". Whether it be just psychological or otherwise, every bit helps.
I've been vaping for about a year and just bought another starter kit. Changed from an 808 style to 510. Got a good deal on sale and have all the chargers, tanks, etc that I need. Cost alot less than buying separate, and I shouldn't need to get anything for awhile. My advice, know what you are looking for and find it at a good price. Google and bing are great shopping advisors!
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