Why can't we have...standards?
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Might want to check with your optometrist.
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Company deals in over one million Sku's - a few are even made in USA
There is a whole world beyond our borders.
Working with the Chinese is a lot different than working for a US company that happens to stock Made in China products, almost anyone in the US can say that.
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Is that double talk for - Oh you do have and Idea?
Look we all have our own opinions on everything in life. No need to announce it in every thread someone starts.
I had my own business for 23 years and have had my thrill in dealing with other countries. Now I work for a multi-Billion dollar corportaion that does the same on a much larger scale. Every Item we purchase is carefully contracted and continually verified to meet terms.
Honestly, I'm just picking, the world will still be going strong and people will still be making poor choices long after we are gone.
I have been here through:
Mexico
Taiwan
Japan
India(textiles)
and now China
(ahmmm..... and Vietnam)
*along with smaller outsourcing to a dozen other smaller countries*
As consumers and employees we have professed the stupidity, yet Retailers continue to build their profits on just these practices. Even though we care, we often have little choice in the end as the investors could care less what drives their profits.
Oh and I worked the numbers - Over 95% of my income DOES rotate through American Business for American Goods/Services.
The other under 5% would be silly crap like Clock Radio's, PC/electronics,some cloths(rarely) and DISPOSABLE vaping GEAR(i.e. insignificant junk)
It's sort of like restaurants and cultural differences. In some countries, if you order a steak, you do indeed get a steak on an otherwise empty plate. Want potatos, sauce, veggies, etc? Order it.
Same goes for ordering the production of cheapest possible clone atties from a factory. You may well end up with just that: cheapest possible clone atties. Want skilled labor, precision equipment and quality control? Order (and pay) for it. How some Chinese factories produce their clones is very much beside the point of the thread, tho. At least the way I read it.
As for Provape designing a new connector... that's exactly what my previously posted cartoon was about. Another standard. Wish more manufacturers would stick to an already existing semi-standard. Like 20x1 threading and a protruding, adjustable or self-adjusting positive post.
Same goes for ordering the production of cheapest possible clone atties from a factory. You may well end up with just that: cheapest possible clone atties. Want skilled labor, precision equipment and quality control? Order (and pay) for it. How some Chinese factories produce their clones is very much beside the point of the thread, tho. At least the way I read it.
As for Provape designing a new connector... that's exactly what my previously posted cartoon was about. Another standard. Wish more manufacturers would stick to an already existing semi-standard. Like 20x1 threading and a protruding, adjustable or self-adjusting positive post.
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This is the difference between the two. China does not do this on its own, it's up to the other company to do this and QC does not come free regardless of where it is done. China itself has little to no standards because of its business model (or perhaps more accurately, the lack thereof).
This is especially true of this industry.
Circular argument; is circular..
When "fill up, and go", rebuildable vaping products, and bottled e juice are banned by the FDA in 2016; this argument will mean nothing. In 2016 all of our vaping gadgets, and juice will be considered "illegal tobacco products"; which WILL be enforced by the ATF. Swat teams, and federal agents WILL be arresting e-juice makers, and padlocking Vape shops. When this happens; WHERE will we buy our atomizers, and mods? I'll give you one guess.. CHINA mail order..
This whole argument over Chinese made products, and clones needs to take a backseat to the real issue we all face here.
Just sayin
When "fill up, and go", rebuildable vaping products, and bottled e juice are banned by the FDA in 2016; this argument will mean nothing. In 2016 all of our vaping gadgets, and juice will be considered "illegal tobacco products"; which WILL be enforced by the ATF. Swat teams, and federal agents WILL be arresting e-juice makers, and padlocking Vape shops. When this happens; WHERE will we buy our atomizers, and mods? I'll give you one guess.. CHINA mail order..
This whole argument over Chinese made products, and clones needs to take a backseat to the real issue we all face here.
Just sayin
So very In a Nut Shell !!!!
Some just don't get it.
The Opposition could care less about Authentic/Clone or anything else we might waste time arguing over.
Their only concerns are Tax Dollars/Company Profits/ Population Control
So you think one fed agency will crack down but others wont?
I should easily be able to buy opium and a full auto type 56 AK47 via mail order from China then.
You can very easily but prescription Medications from over seas without a prescription pain liiers ED Medications- you name it you can order it. Sometimes its a generic made in India for 10% of the cost a american company charges-sometimes its watered down-cut real medications-sometimes its sample packs from US pharmaceutical companies with subsidiaries in foreign countries. My only experience with this is with ED meds 1 time I got generic ......[before it was generic in US 1 time I got junk ...... 1 time I got sample packs of Levitra. After 3 tries I became worried about getting caught by the Postal Service[not a good thing] Now several years latter[10] I've just lost interest in Women completely and for me its practically paradise. And if you think the Feds will care as much about illegally ordered Vape gear as AK 47's and schedual 1 drugs your cracked in the Head my friend Mr Pinky
oh, so you know the extent and full scope of enforcement of federal regulation already? Well, please enlighten us.
I'm not an alarmist, but it isn't crazy to think that US customs won't go ape poop over vape gear IF and WHEN. . .
They like to go after small and easy stuff.
P.S. opium is SCHEDULE I I btw, but thanks for trying to play with the big boys.
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It was Herbert Gilbert in the early 60s. I remember looking at his patent a few years ago prior to starting vaping. Strange to say but all the hating on BT yet they were the original idea guys for vaping.
A design patent I believe last around 15 years. Not sure why he didn't pursue it unless it was costs.
Sadly standards do not exist because money is to be made from parts and add ons in any industry.
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I think like anything else in life, you have to set your own standards, because you can't change behavior of others, esp. in areas of conscience, intellect, etc You set it with your pocketbook, actions, etc.
"Lite" standards are good, and the consciencious vendor will find a way to do that. For instance, I like batch numbers on my stuff, that way if something isn't made right or their is a bad batch, they can look it up and match up the details.
Then you get into the gated-community variety, which tells you what colors you can use on your house, whether or not you can grow a pot of tomatoes on your front porch, etc. I can't even imagine somebody directing me like that when I am paying a mortgage and taxes. eeks.
In other words, be careful what ya wish for.
"Lite" standards are good, and the consciencious vendor will find a way to do that. For instance, I like batch numbers on my stuff, that way if something isn't made right or their is a bad batch, they can look it up and match up the details.
Then you get into the gated-community variety, which tells you what colors you can use on your house, whether or not you can grow a pot of tomatoes on your front porch, etc. I can't even imagine somebody directing me like that when I am paying a mortgage and taxes. eeks.
In other words, be careful what ya wish for.
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horse crap. aside from this being alarmist bull, lobbying takes money, China cloners aren't going to lobby, the US companies have to take point, so even less reason to screw them over for the Chinese. this is yet another reason vapers who complain about US prices are out to lunch, US companies are bearing the cost of fighting legislation for the entire vaping community.
Also, ordering actual federally "illegal" items from overseas via mail order is not really a good idea.
Where did I say other agencies wouldn't crack down? Your opium/AK47 comment isn't even worth a response.
I don't see online sales, and shipment of hardware being easy to stop. Customs only opens the odd random shipping container as it is; the rest passes through with ease, especially from china; as we have a very open trade agreement with them.
Honestly, any amount of lobbying money from US mod manufacturers is peanuts compared to the millions of lobbying dollars available to big tobacco, and their cigalike vaping subsidiary's.
The large majority of Vape gear that the average quitting smoker uses comes from china. Sorry to break it to you, but the mechanical mod/sub ohm vaping culture is tiny in comparison. I can't think of many smokers who quit initially using a legit Manhatten Mod, with an authentic 454 big block rda. Those are the types of products produced in the USA. A solid comparison would be like the local 4 star restaurant lobbying to take down mcdonalds; not gonna happen man.
Better hoard all the Vape gear you can, and start stockpiling liquid nic in your freezer. Come 2016 it's game over
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