Why can't we have...standards?

[Butt Kickers]

So very In a Nut Shell !!!!
Some just don't get it.

The Opposition could care less about Authentic/Clone or anything else we might waste time arguing over.
Their only concerns are Tax Dollars/Company Profits/ Population Control

It's a shame. I appreciate stunning authentic mods as much, or more than a lot of people; though concentrating on what is essentially 'vaping jewelry', whilst ignoring the black cloud hovering over us is naive at best. This is a life saving alternative to smoking FIRST, and foremost; the community needs to get its priorities in order.

 

[Wraith504]

I am waiting for Obama to reply to this thread.

 

[MrPlink]

I don't see online sales, and shipment of hardware being easy to stop. Customs only opens the odd random shipping container as it is; the rest passes through with ease, especially from china; as we have a very open trade agreement with them.

Only true when they do not inherently suspect contraband.

Funny how in your chicken little fantasy FT is still a viable option.

 

[Racehorse]

horse crap. aside from this being alarmist bull, lobbying takes money, China cloners aren't going to lobby, the US companies have to take point, so even less reason to screw them over for the Chinese. this is yet another reason vapers who complain about US prices are out to lunch, US companies are bearing the cost of fighting legislation for the entire vaping community.

Also, ordering actual federally "illegal" items from overseas via mail order is not really a good idea.

That horse has left the barn. DO you realize that most American's homes would be pretty much *empty* if it werent' for chinese manufacturing?

We can't consume enough, they can barely make it fast enough.

So now, we're going to take them to task? I stopped buying most US made stuff. Although Im not even sure where things are made anymore, other than my chacos which WERE made in colorado but aren't anymore but the pair I have are. I bought a number of things from sears/kenmore, they are all dead after a year (air conditioner, weedeater, battery operated drill). I have other stuff I bought from Ryobi and it works year after year, also Makita.

Quality fade in chinese or any manufactured product anywhere is the DIRECT RESULT of the relentless pursuit of lower prices by the American public.

And I don't see that changing anytime soon. Do you? Count the amt. of posts here that ask "where can I get this for cheapest price"?

In order to keep price cutting, corners have to be cut, and those alterations are often "hidden" deep within the product and not readily apparent.

 

[Racehorse]

The Opposition could care less about Authentic/Clone or anything else we might waste time arguing over.
Their only concerns are Tax Dollars/Company Profits/ Population Control

I always find it funny how, when the subject of money chasing and greed are brought up, only "the opposition" get pointed at.


Most every vendor who is selling us something is getting it from china. and the QC is questionable on a lot of these items, and the amount of things that a vaper after a year's time has had to "toss in the garbage can" is probably quite significant. But SOMEBODY is making money on these things, right?

2016 and it's over, somebody said? AFAIC, the golden years of vaping are already over, and the money grubbing has begun, both with the opposition as well as many who are entering our industry to "sell us stuff."

Despite that Dr. F. said that diacetyls may be an inhalation risk, I've already seen vendors say they have juice that still has it, but since they are "disclosing" it's okay---their job is done. I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew it was easy to delete a substance from what I sell instead of keeping it in in order to rake in the dough. Why would anyone want to put any kind of risk onto a vaper if it was already deemed questionable by scientists who are part of the vaping community???

How is this different from "I continued smoking because I enjoyed it, it tasted good, even though I knew it was a risk." Just replace that with "I enjoyed vaping this certain flavoring even though I knew it was a risk......" Explain how this is different from big tobacco practices...putting stuff in cigs to make it taste better, putting stuff in cigs to keep us buying them, etc.?

After watching a youtube video of these new coils that break down into particulate, and the stuff was all over the guy's fingertips, and then being told a *screen* on the coil keeps that out of your lungs, I laughed. you would need an industrial grade hepa filter to filter out particulate of that size.

Whatever. I think everyone just sees what they want to see. (we all do that, selective thinking). I know that is how I was when I smoked cigarettes. I convinced myself it wouldn't eventually kill me or compromise my lungs in a major way, and then my mom started dying from it.........and I found vaping. But I'm sure as HECK not gonna be as cavalier about vaping as I was about smoking! (watching someone you love struggle for every breath and suffer greatly has a way of changing you .....)

 

[Butt Kickers]

Only true when they do not inherently suspect contraband.

Funny how in your chicken little fantasy FT is still a viable option.

Funny how you think correlation = causation, and vice-versa..

Pro Tip:

If you'd like to come off as 'informed', or halfway intelligent; leave the ad-hominem responses at the door kiddo.

 

[dr g]

That horse has left the barn. DO you realize that most American's homes would be pretty much *empty* if it werent' for chinese manufacturing?

That's a symptom of the disease, and it comes down bad trade policy and bad domestic corporate policy. The horse has only left the barn because we opened the door and we refuse to close it. It's a downward spiral of unregulated outsourcing causing our domestic labor to have to compete with third world labor, which depresses our consumer buying power, which leads to more outsourcing.

New horses are still being born. Close the damn door.

Only true when they do not inherently suspect contraband.

Funny how in your chicken little fantasy FT is still a viable option.

Yup. A few more court cases and FT will risk getting tagged as an overseas counterfeiter and then every FT package will risk being intercepted.

A solid comparison would be like the local 4 star restaurant lobbying to take down mcdonalds; not gonna happen man.

No, that is a terrible comparison. We're not trying to take down Mcdonald's here, we're fighting overregulation. Small businesses are a huge weapon in that fight in the public eye.

 

[Butt Kickers]

You're missing my point entirely..

In a little over a year, our world of vaping as we know it could very well disappear due to the pending legislation; yet the community as a whole seems to be spending more energy on fighting clones, than fighting for our right to Vape as we see fit. As a community we should be using 100% of our collective energy, and resources to fight this legislation.

It boggles my mind that a large percentage of the community finds the issue of cloning more important than fighting for our right to Vape. That said, I've decided to not purchase a single clone; because it doesn't sit right with me on a moral level; though I'm certainly not going to waste my energy crusading against it, until we've successfully fought off this pending legislation.

It's much easier to win a war, if it's the only war you're fighting.

 

[inswva]

You're missing my point entirely..

In a little over a year, our world of vaping as we know it could very well disappear due to the pending legislation; yet the community as a whole seems to be spending more energy on fighting clones, than fighting for our right to Vape as we see fit. As a community we should be using 100% of our collective energy, and resources to fight this legislation.

It boggles my mind that a large percentage of the community finds the issue of cloning more important than fighting for our right to Vape. That said, I've decided to not purchase a single clone; because it doesn't sit right with me on a moral level; though I'm certainly not going to waste my energy crusading against it, until we've successfully fought off this pending legislation.

It's much easier to win a war, if it's the only war you're fighting.

You keep referring to "pending legislation". FDA proposed regulations ≠ pending legislation. Legislation implies there is, or will be, a bill which is voted on by the legislative branch. FDA rules and regulations are not bound by the legislative process.

Maybe I'm arguing semantics. Suffice it to say, I agree with the gist of your message.

 

[dr g]

It boggles my mind that a large percentage of the community finds the issue of cloning more important than fighting for our right to Vape.

The two go hand in hand, to a greater degree than you realize. Legitimizing the industry is a big step toward long-term survival, as long as it's a playground for counterfeiters and importers of items of questionable safety, it's ripe for even more regulation.

 

[crxess]

]I always find it funny how, when the subject of money chasing and greed are brought up, only "the opposition" get pointed at.[/COLOR]


Most every vendor who is selling us something is getting it from china. and the QC is questionable on a lot of these items, and the amount of things that a vaper after a year's time has had to "toss in the garbage can" is probably quite significant. But SOMEBODY is making money on these things, right?

2016 and it's over, somebody said? AFAIC, the golden years of vaping are already over, and the money grubbing has begun, both with the opposition as well as many who are entering our industry to "sell us stuff."

Despite that Dr. F. said that diacetyls may be an inhalation risk, I've already seen vendors say they have juice that still has it, but since they are "disclosing" it's okay---their job is done. I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew it was easy to delete a substance from what I sell instead of keeping it in in order to rake in the dough. Why would anyone want to put any kind of risk onto a vaper if it was already deemed questionable by scientists who are part of the vaping community???

How is this different from "I continued smoking because I enjoyed it, it tasted good, even though I knew it was a risk." Just replace that with "I enjoyed vaping this certain flavoring even though I knew it was a risk......" Explain how this is different from big tobacco practices...putting stuff in cigs to make it taste better, putting stuff in cigs to keep us buying them, etc.?

After watching a youtube video of these new coils that break down into particulate, and the stuff was all over the guy's fingertips, and then being told a *screen* on the coil keeps that out of your lungs, I laughed. you would need an industrial grade hepa filter to filter out particulate of that size.

Whatever. I think everyone just sees what they want to see. (we all do that, selective thinking). I know that is how I was when I smoked cigarettes. I convinced myself it wouldn't eventually kill me or compromise my lungs in a major way, and then my mom started dying from it.........and I found vaping. But I'm sure as HECK not gonna be as cavalier about vaping as I was about smoking! (watching someone you love struggle for every breath and suffer greatly has a way of changing you .....)

Read more and more often.
I and others have been very vocal about Entrepreneur Profiteering. Yes, we have many American Venders placing orders daily for the cheapest available products(often clones) in order to maintain the highest profit margin.
And no, the FDA will not care where Vaping gear comes from or how much people are willing to pay.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

Applies to any industry, anywhere.

I tell my all my customers that these are their options and they can "Pick two of them"

 

[rc3po]

That's why I don't buy mods anymore that don't have a floating center pin.

 

[Confuzzled1969]

China has no standards

Actually, China does, the US does not.

The problem is, there is no trade organization that has drafted standards, and when they do, there is not likely to be any requirement in the US to adhere to those standards.

Example, ever had a micro USB phone charger that fit into your cell phone just fine but it did not charge it?

The reason for this is the manufacturers want you to buy "their" charger, so they made some changes to it. This is allowed in the US.

The industry has the standard configuration for a micro USB connector defined, but compliance to that standard is not required.

In China, compliance is required. In fact, every cellphone sold in China can use any cell phone charger sold in China. They could care less what they build for us though... It is what it is.

 

[Chelonian]

Other than copying logos, I dont understand how this is a discussion


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[dr g]

Other than copying logos, I dont understand how this is a discussion


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