Why do all the "BIG" heavy toppers have little 510 threads?

[bacc.vap]

The Ego threading is bigger because it's designed to support the tank all by itself, including twisting and shearing forces, to reduce the diameter of the battery and the tank. That's why you find that type of connector on slim devices.

Actually, none of the toppers that use the Ego threading today even existed when the Ego came out. The larger threading certainly is more sturdy and better than the 510 connection, but it was only designed for an aesthetic cone to hide and support a cartomizer, and give the device a completed look. I know this may seem like nitpicking, but just wanted to clarify. No doubt the ego threads have found a better purpose.

 

[Burnie]

Vision make a 5 ml glass tank that is ego threaded. It is one of my favorites.
Disposable Stardust -Blue

Just a larger EVOD, no cigar.

The answer really does lay with standardization.

Say for example I manufacture kayfuns. Should I choose to use 510 threading on my kayfun, which most mods use, or use ego threading instead, and probably have to include an ego to 510 adapter in the kits I sell.

It just isn't practical.

510 has become the standard thread, and so most devices are going to use this.


OP, have you ever heard of betamax?

Betamax used to compete with VHS.....and they both came out around the same time. Betamax actually had FAR superior quality than VHS.....but guess what? VHS became the standard, and eventually betamax was phased out. Why?

At some point, a few companies went with VHS simply because VHS could hold more video on it than betamax could.

The betamax/vhs issue is the SAME ISSUE as the 510 /ego threading issue.

Was betamax better than VHS? YES. However, VHS became standard, and replaced betamax......YES...the INFERIOR technology won the battle.


You could say the same thing happened with 510/ego. Is one better than the other? maybe, I'm not sure. However, 510 is the standard now, and that isn't going to change anytime soon.

I had a Betamax, and yes it was better, finding video's for it was a PITA, so I see your point. BUT, there are Lots of mods with EGO threading, so it is not a valid comparison to me.

Because ProVarii have only 510 threads, of course.

Just have to use a 510 to EGO Adapter.

Z2 threading...

???????

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Burnie

 

[deanthemachine]

Bigger question is who cares? My tank with 510 threads has never fallen off my PV.

 

[Burnie]

Bigger question is who cares? My tank with 510 threads has never fallen off my PV.

Never Mind, deleted my reply.

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Burnie

 

[Burnie]

OK, after a couple of days of looking I can find NO Topper 19mm or above that uses EGO threads.

Little help here, Is There One Out There? Am I Just Not Finding It? Thanks.

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Burnie

 

[EvilZoe]

OK, after a couple of days of looking I can find NO Topper 19mm or above that uses EGO threads.

Little help here, Is There One Out There? Am I Just Not Finding It? Thanks.

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Burnie

I don't think they're out there. HOWEVER, there are 510 - eGo adapters that will work. They only cost a couple of bucks.

 

[Burnie]

I don't think they're out there. HOWEVER, there are 510 - eGo adapters that will work. They only cost a couple of bucks.

True, I have several 510/EGO adapters, but what if the 510 threads are fubar? The 510/EGO Adapter Won't work, but I still have good EGO threads, and other than the 510 threads the mod is great, but nothing will screw on to the EGO threads but small toppers, which look funny due to size. Looking for a topper that uses EGO instead of 510 in 19mm or above, just can't find one. Don't know if they are even made, but if they are I figure someone on ECF might have a link, which is why I ask.

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Burnie

 

[BillyWJ]

Why do all the "BIG" heavy toppers have little 510 threads?
and
Why do a lot of the "LITTLE" light toppers have big EGO threads?

It really makes no sense. The heavy ones could benefit from the extra support of the bigger EGO threading. I know not all mod's have EGO threading, but more and more do, just wondering why they haven't started upgrading some of the bigger toppers with EGO threading? Even if you wanted to use an EGO threaded topper on a 510 only mod, they make a 510 to EGO adapter that would solve that problem.

I know no-one can really answer this, because we don't make the toppers, but it is something I just don't get, and was wondering what others thought the reason for it is. Thoughts.....

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Burnie

The best reason i can imagine is it's easier to machine a 510 fitting, and uses less metal, than an EGO style, and it's less complicated.

You could also ask why everything is threaded, when you could have a bayonet style connector, where it has two pins, and a spring mount, so to put it on you just push it in and twist. Again, more complicated to machine.

This stuff is made assembly line on milling machines, less complicated means more get made in a time span, and there's less to go wrong, and less to assemble.

 

[Burnie]

The best reason i can imagine is it's easier to machine a 510 fitting, and uses less metal, than an EGO style, and it's less complicated.

You could also ask why everything is threaded, when you could have a bayonet style connector, where it has two pins, and a spring mount, so to put it on you just push it in and twist. Again, more complicated to machine.

This stuff is made assembly line on milling machines, less complicated means more get made in a time span, and there's less to go wrong, and less to assemble.

this has EGO threads
$2.86 GS-H5C Bottom Coil Clearomizer (3.0mL) - 2.5ohm / eGo thread

and this has 510 threads
$25.81 Fogger V3 Glass Tank Rebuildable Atomizer (6.0mL) - 4-airhole / air flow control

The one for more money has 510 threads and is a LOT BIGGER, and the cheap plastic one has EGO threads.

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Burnie

 

[BillyWJ]

this has EGO threads
$2.86 GS-H5C Bottom Coil Clearomizer (3.0mL) - 2.5ohm / eGo thread

and this has 510 threads
$25.81 Fogger V3 Glass Tank Rebuildable Atomizer (6.0mL) - 4-airhole / air flow control

The one for more money has 510 threads and is a LOT BIGGER, and the cheap plastic one has EGO threads.

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Burnie

Okay, so you found two with ego threads. Does that make what i posed any less viable? Or are you just looking to argue? If so, there are other forums that are better for that kind of thing. I'm not trying to be rude, but really, I tried to answer you honestly, not make any claims that ego threaded devices don't exist.

 

[Burnie]

Okay, so you found two with ego threads. Does that make what i posed any less viable? Or are you just looking to argue? If so, there are other forums that are better for that kind of thing. I'm not trying to be rude, but really, I tried to answer you honestly, not make any claims that ego threaded devices don't exist.

I REALLY think you need to re-read my post as you are getting upset because you didn't read the post, please re-read my last post.

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Burnie

 

[sdennislee]

Vision make a 5 ml glass tank that is ego threaded. It is one of my favorites.
Disposable Stardust -Blue

Bookmarked this tank, I might have to have it

 

[emus]

Because in the day there was 510 mania and it had better be 510 compliant if you wanted it to fly off the shelf.
I used to complain about tip heavy 510 not being hands free compatible and got an ear full

 

[lordmage]

you know your old school when you remember the whole issue with admittedly missing quite a few:
1.510/306
2.808/801
penstyle, mini style, (cartridge or carto exposed bridge or not)-901's. oh the insanity

smoktech
kanger
janty.

i see janty behind the 510 blowing up the way it did. then janty or who ever came up with the ego.
Cheap to use and mass produce and less material used in making them plan and simple.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Vision make a 5 ml glass tank that is ego threaded. It is one of my favorites.
Disposable Stardust -Blue

Thank you! I had been looking for those and was beginning to think that no one carried then anynmore. I like them a lot better than my EVODs.

 

[Bunnykiller]

The simple answer from my perspective is that it's easier to make internal threads than external threads..

You can use a tap to make internal threads Typically external threads are made with a cnc lathe or mill. (there are exceptions to this of course)

I would be really happy to see a larger diameter thread size appear for atomizers and carts. the standard 510 connection is a really ....... metric thread pitch.

Dudley

external threads are made using a dye (die) and you can still use a lathe to make internal threads too if the tool is small enuf

 

[fogging_katrider]

clarification on that taps and dies note...
On a cnc lathe, both internal and external concentric threads are easily cut as part of the cnc toolpath.
iow...taps and dies are never part of the machining process on cnc lathe produced (round) parts.

 

[zapped]

you know your old school when you remember the whole issue with admittedly missing quite a few:
1.510/306
2.808/801
penstyle, mini style, cartridge or carto exposed bridge or not. oh the insanity

smoktech
kanger
janty.

i see janty behind the 510 blowing up the way it did. then janty or who ever came up with the ego.
Cheap to use and mass produce and less material used in making them plan and simple.

You left out 901's

 

[lordmage]

You left out 901's

i knew they were some number under smotech and another number under boiegh(sp?) hence worded. thank i did forget the number thou.

 

[dudley]

external threads are made using a dye (die) and you can still use a lathe to make internal threads too if the tool is small enuf

clarification on that taps and dies note...
On a cnc lathe, both internal and external concentric threads are easily cut as part of the cnc toolpath.
iow...taps and dies are never part of the machining process on cnc lathe produced (round) parts.

True that internal or external threads are typically made on a cnc lathe in production.. they can also be made on a manual mill or lathe with the right tooling. I agree 100% fogging, dies are not something typically used in a production process. Unless you are talking geometric die head then it really depends on the geometry you are producing. They don't thread flush to a shoulder.


A tap-matic makes internal threads fairly efficiently on a manual machine. Single pointing internal or external threads on a manual lathe can be a pain in the ..... A ton of tiny passes.

The majority of the threads on production parts are all done with a cnc lathe in a tool path.

For a short run of parts If I had to choose betweeen making internal or external threads... I would go with internal.

Dudley