Why do people think you shouldn't let the atomizer get too hot?

[DC2]

DISCLAIMER
This entire discussion applies only to using 3.7v batteries, not to high voltage vaping.

When I started using electronic cigarettes, I read everything on this forum, all day long, for weeks. Never once that I can remember did I ever see any of the oldtimers or experienced users say anything about it being bad to let the atomizer get too hot. But somewhere along the way it seems a few of the newer members started saying that it can ruin your atomizer, and it seems to have gotten to the point where a lot of people believe it to be true.

Well, from my experience, and from other things I've read on this forum, a stock 510 battery can not put out enough power to ever damage the atomizer. In fact, the best way to clean your atomizers appears to be using a dry burn, which is heating up your atomizer at full power for extended lengths of time. I have tried this method and it works fantastic using my Chuck at 3.7 volts.

So my question is why does anyone think getting your atomizer hot is bad?

 

[CaptJay]

idk mine get like tiny volcanes and its never bothered me lol
My attys seem to last an average of 4 months too - I dont dry burn them (maybe I wet burn them they get so hot?) and I personally think the high heat improves the flavors.
Thats using both the stock manual 510 batts and the 3.7v and 5v PTs.

 

[aschmidy]

I like them HOT Mine rarely gets a chance to cool off. I don't do the dry burn, just let them drain overnight, if I remember. I've only ever lost 2-510 attys, 1 lasted 8 months. Still have all of my 401/Evo attys. I've been pretty lucky.

 

[BradSmith]

I don't remeber the exact thread but Scott (house)? had a picture of the plastic piece on the 510 that can melt and then cause it to be just about impossible to draw from.

anyway there is a plastic piece that can melt. I don't know it it's because they were boiled or overheated or what but it seemed pretty legit to me.

 

[Dudeman]

I can't answer the main question because I personally don't believe there is any validity to it. My 510 attys perform much better when they're hot. .

 

[SlowsIsFast]

Hmmm....see I'm still very new to all this and have only been vaping for 5 days, but this is good to know because everytime I feel the atty in my 510 get warm I put it down out of fear that it will burn out. That makes it kind of hard to have a smoke break if you are always waiting for your atty to cool down.

 

[DC2]

Hmmm....see I'm still very new to all this and have only been vaping for 5 days, but this is good to know because everytime I feel the atty in my 510 get warm I put it down out of fear that it will burn out. That makes it kind of hard to have a smoke break if you are always waiting for your atty to cool down.

Yes, I posted this for you.

 

[Kilroy]

The only reason that I don't like my 510 to get too hot is that the vapor irritates my throat when it does.

 

[SlowsIsFast]

Yes, I posted this for you.

I figured as much...lol but it does make me feel a lot better to know that everyone is letting their attys get hot and their not burning out. YAY

 

[gashin]

I burn the hell out of my 510s - I have 2 that are 6 month old and still kicking though they're slowly dying.

Hey where did you get that pic from? I have those wheels!

Hmmm....see I'm still very new to all this and have only been vaping for 5 days, but this is good to know because everytime I feel the atty in my 510 get warm I put it down out of fear that it will burn out. That makes it kind of hard to have a smoke break if you are always waiting for your atty to cool down.

 

[Kate51]

I don't know about some of the mods, but I do know auto and manual batteries have a cut off. The whole idea is for the atty to get hot enough long enough to produce good vapor!
You can't over heat an atty unless you vape too fast, but most batteries have a time-out also. My Janty Stick does.
For the best vape long gentle puffs, puff until you reach cut-off for the most flavor and best hit it can give you.
When you smoke cigarettes, if you want more smoke you puff harder. Not so with e-cigs. Longer burn = better vapor. Puff too hard and you flood the atty with too much juice = poor or no vapor.

 

[Scottbee]

I don't remeber the exact thread but Scott (house)? had a picture of the plastic piece on the 510 that can melt and then cause it to be just about impossible to draw from.

anyway there is a plastic piece that can melt. I don't know it it's because they were boiled or overheated or what but it seemed pretty legit to me.

Correct.... I have warned about getting them too hot. This is what happens:

When it should look like this:

I've always said that something is wrong if your atty gets really hot (especially the body). An atty that is working "properly" actually doesn't get that hot at all.

 

[Ajaxus]

I don't remeber the exact thread but Scott (house)? had a picture of the plastic piece on the 510 that can melt and then cause it to be just about impossible to draw from.

anyway there is a plastic piece that can melt. I don't know it it's because they were boiled or overheated or what but it seemed pretty legit to me.

I wonder if this is what happened to my one atty that lasted all of a few days..altho I don't remember letting it get hot at all..but it explains why it never gets orange when I use it, and get next to no vapor..lol

I was using that one for days this week thinking it was my good one and thinking I ruined it..switched to the other one tonight to find I was using the wrong one..ohhhhhhh how my body loves the nicotine again, haha

 

[Scottbee]

You can't over heat an atty unless you vape too fast, but most batteries have a time-out also.

Actually, you can easily overheat an atty coil in a very, very short period of time if you run it dry. It is the presence of "vaporizing liquid" that keeps the coil temperature down.

When you smoke cigarettes, if you want more smoke you puff harder. Not so with e-cigs. Longer burn = better vapor. Puff too hard and you flood the atty with too much juice = poor or no vapor.

That's actually not true either. Taking a "harder" hit on an e-cig does not deliver more liquid to the atomizer bridge or coil (the exception being a bottom-feeder mod). In reality, a "harder" hit with more air flow is usually what starves the coil of liquid. That's why a long, slow easy draw will typically give you the best vapor.. the liquid delivery can keep up with the vaporization rate.

 

[DC2]

Actually, you can easily overheat an atty coil in a very, very short period of time if you run it dry. It is the presence of "vaporizing liquid" that keeps the coil temperature down.

Then why does the dry burn method, with no juice left whatsoever and completely dry, clean your atomizer and make it like new again? Are you talking about high voltages? Because my experience is that at 3.7 volts you can't harm an atomizer no matter how hard you try. I've left them burning for more than 30 seconds, over and over, and they only work better afterwards.

Color me confused.

 

[AlexTM]

There's pretty warm, that's the normal state of a 510. And then there is hot, usually the almost-too-hot-to-touch variety, which is a bad idea because it's a sign something is wrong. Not enough liquid, usually.

And people have ruined atties with dry burns. Most of the time, they work, but they can send your atty to the Great Vaper in the sky. And a dry burn cleans them by simply burning off residues on the coil, but that only works because the coil gets so hot that it can itself get damaged.

 

[Papagoatee]

A good video showing how much your 510 can take.

YouTube - 510 Dry Burn

Your atty will never be this hot even with chain vaping.

 

[tribalmasters]

Great video! That'll melt the stuffing in the cart

 

[Scottbee]

Then why does the dry burn method, with no juice left whatsoever and completely dry, clean your atomizer and make it like new again? Are you talking about high voltages? Because my experience is that at 3.7 volts you can't harm an atomizer no matter how hard you try. I've left them burning for more than 30 seconds, over and over, and they only work better afterwards.

Color me confused.

Do keep in mind that when you are doing a dry burn, the cartridge is removed and the atty coil is rejecting heat via radiation and convection. Although the coil goes incandescent... the radiation and convection (air flow) is keeping the actual temperature of the coil down.

Insulate the coil by putting the cartridge back on, and the actual coil temperature can go up dramatically.

Bottom line... without liquid and airflow, a 510 battery certainly can put enough power into a standard 510 atty to damage it. One simply needs to exercise a little bit of caution.

 

[HzG8rGrl]

A good video showing how much your 510 can take.

YouTube - 510 Dry Burn

Your atty will never be this hot even with chain vaping.

I could have sworn I smelled something burning about a minute into the vid!!!!!!!!! LOL. Where did you buy that atty?