Why do so many people criticize non-smokers who vape?
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I can't really see how the never-smoking vapers could bring a negative view on vaping
Lol that is a bit like ordering a double shot of whiskey and then pouring half of it down the front of your shirt because you think it makes you look cool isnt it?
sorry, but I'm really not seeing that at all.
I think when people come on here and ASK for advice, ie. they have never smoked and want to know if they should take up vaping (esp. w/nicotine) I think they are just going to receive SOME honest answers from ex smokers on this board who feel they have gone down the nicotone dependency or habit dependency road and kinda don't wish it on others.
I don't think anyone here "looks down" on *never smokers* who vape or want to vape.
I think people should do what they want. However, if they come on an open forum and ASK for opinions, then that is what they are going to get.
That's not being judged, it's just people answering with their own philosophy, which may be based on their own experiences. 
Somebody might say they can't figure out why anyone would want to inhale nicotine if they have never smoked, for instance. That is not judging or looking down on the potential vaper....that is just the honest question marks in some people's minds about it, it may just not make sense to them. Others will say go ahead and enjoy.
I really have NO IDEA why people come on here and ask opinions about things like this anyway. The board is for 18 years and older, and if you're 18 and can't make a decision about what you want to do with your own body and life, nobody is really going to be able to fill in that gap for ya
My stance on this subject is sort of neutral --- err I mean I don't mind too much if non smokers decide to vape --- my only concern is if they end up killing it for the rest of us lungers err ex-smokers --- I don't imagine non smokers would get the same type of enjoyment that I get from vaping but on the other hand they may get stress relief or some other enjoyment from it, I just don't know ---- I do know lots of them get into it just for the clouds, which I suppose may not be too cool if it kills it for the rest of us.
Yes, we ex smokers were rather "in the clutches" of cigarettes and most of us really didn't want to be there, and it was very hard for us to "get off that train".
Believe me, vaping is just enough of a PITA that, (for ME) that if I didn't start doing it to get off cigarettes, to be honest, i doubt I would have continued to do it very long.
I'm just a person who absolutely dislikes all the little "chores" associated with vaping. Esp. when I have to go on a 2-3 day trip, charge stuff, pack stuff......just one more thing to have to deal with.Not everyone is like me. I am really not, in any sense of the word, a hobbyist. I do like technology though, and most all the purchasing and "fiddling" on my part (even DIY eliquid) has been sheer CURIOSITY on my part.
Really, if I could wake up tomorrow with no vape gear, no need for it, and an uncluttered countertop, I'd be happy. I'm just not "there" yet.
I can see how vaping would be relaxing, or helpful for weight loss, etc. for a never smoker though. It's just that if I had never smoked, I'm probably just do running, walking, kayaking, fishing or meditation to relax instead. That's just me. Vaping is too fiddly
I'm just not "there" yet.
The operative word here is "yet" --- some day you may whip it all
And so the Mom in me comes out . I smoked long enough to damage my DNA. I vape so that I won't smoke, knowing full well that vaping's history is far too short to have proved (or disproved) it's safety. I accept the risk and follow closely what real science there is that is published on vaping. And I do whatever I can to mitigate the very real possibility that vaping will be made more difficult as a result of an unfriendly regulatory environment.
If I didn't need to vape in order not to smoke, I wouldn't vape. I *know* that air is better for my lungs than vapor. I want folks who contemplate vaping to go in with their eyes wide open. To make an informed decision to vape and to own their decision.
As Racehorse said, each of has his or her own opinion. Mine is that I'd rather someone vape than smoke -- by a large margin. I believe that vaping saves lives. But I'd much rather that my child did neither.
. I smoked long enough to damage my DNA. I vape so that I won't smoke, knowing full well that vaping's history is far too short to have proved (or disproved) it's safety. I accept the risk and follow closely what real science there is that is published on vaping. And I do whatever I can to mitigate the very real possibility that vaping will be made more difficult as a result of an unfriendly regulatory environment. If I didn't need to vape in order not to smoke, I wouldn't vape. I *know* that air is better for my lungs than vapor. I want folks who contemplate vaping to go in with their eyes wide open. To make an informed decision to vape and to own their decision.
As Racehorse said, each of has his or her own opinion. Mine is that I'd rather someone vape than smoke -- by a large margin. I believe that vaping saves lives. But I'd much rather that my child did neither.
And so the Mom in me comes out
If I didn't need to vape in order not to smoke, I wouldn't vape. I *know* that air is better for my lungs than vapor. I want folks who contemplate vaping to go in with their eyes wide open. To make an informed decision to vape and to own their decision.
As Racehorse said, each of has his or her own opinion. Mine is that I'd rather someone vape than smoke -- by a large margin. I believe that vaping saves lives. But I'd much rather that my child did neither.
well said ... yeah, I view it pretty much the same way as you
I dont criticize non smokers who want to vape..... I just question the reason why they want to become a slave to nicotine as like many of us who smoked for years ( and finally found vaping) and to get away from ciggies.... but still, we need our nic...
if a non smoker wants to vape... go for it... use 0nic juice tho, no need to get attached to the nic... it can control you in ways you dont need...
if a non smoker wants to vape... go for it... use 0nic juice tho, no need to get attached to the nic... it can control you in ways you dont need...
yeah no need to get chained to something a dude/dudette doesn't have to
An alternative to cigs perhaps? Why did we ever start smoking? We wanted a little nic buzz. Here's a safer alternative
We think. We dont know that for certain yet. Thats why this forum and CASAAs policy has always been about harm reduction.
Going from never smoking to vaping would be, by definition, harm expansion would it not?
Youre still introducing foreign matter to your lungs and no matter how evolved we may consider ourselves, 9 years isnt even a flash in the pan in terms of our bodies adapting to this new stimuli.
Maybe thats why ex-smokers like myself rail against this so much. You dont know what you got 'til its gone sometimes.
We all thought we were bulletproof too.
Exactly, pure logic and the definition would indeed be harm expansion for a non smoker.
Sorry to comment twice. I want you guys to know I respect you and your argument. I think part of the problem is that I only smoked a short while. Pretty much throughout college and then I quit. Which im blessed to have that. I think I'm young enough to see both sides of the coin. I see myself as an ex smoker but pound for pound I might've been able to quit cold turkey. Maybe vaping has me thinking that way idk
I started smoking when I was 13 ... I thought I was cool
I never understood people that took up smoking in their mid 20s
If you ever wondered why people smoked, you may now be starting to understand it a little better. Granted, there is also a powerful chemical constituent to actual smoking, which is what we (former smokers) are trying to get away from, but one of the major reasons that nic replacement with patches or gum is so ineffective is because the ACT of smoking is every bit as pleasurable and "addictive" as the chemicals involved, if not even moreso.
Welcome to the other side.
Andria
yeah me either -- I used to wonder why they would want to start risking their health at an age where I assumed they should know better. I started smoking when I was 9 years old and so I know exactly what you mean.I started smoking when I was 13 ... I thought I was cool
I never understood people that took up smoking in their mid 20s
Believe me, vaping is just enough of a PITA that, (for ME) that if I didn't start doing it to get off cigarettes, to be honest, i doubt I would have continued to do it very long.
Not everyone is like me. I am really not, in any sense of the word, a hobbyist. I do like technology though, and most all the purchasing and "fiddling" on my part (even DIY eliquid) has been sheer CURIOSITY on my part.
Really, if I could wake up tomorrow with no vape gear, no need for it, and an uncluttered countertop, I'd be happy. I'm just not "there" yet.
I can kinda see that, and who knows, I may get to that point with it myself, years down the road when there is nothing at all novel about it. I know that at the very least, the last 10 yrs I smoked, I *yearned* for some way to be free of it, that didn't involve massive suffering and derangement for some indefinite period.
But, as you say, I'm certainly not there yet -- I still feel like I need to pinch myself, to make sure I'm really awake and NOT SMOKING FOR 14 MONTHS and not suffering in any way from that. It's a pure miracle to me, so I'm still rather infatuated with it. But yeah... fiddly. Can get quite tedious at times, even when everything works RIGHT.
Andria
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