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also the kayfun is a wicking beast and needs its coil to be constricting a little bit because over wicking seem to "boil" the juice and make vape that could cause a hole in the ozone layer hot.
i know this thread is about sub-ohmin' but im going to piggyback this topic since it contained the most information anywhere online that i found about fixing the hot vape. im on a bottom coil atomiser with extra wraps in the coil and 80-100%VG im doing the best i can for have high resistance wire as my only option.(32awg)
for clarity the goal intended by my question was to come up with a 1 ohm+/ - area build for cold vaping at LOW voltage. around 5-6watts, i know so far i need more wraps, thicker wire, evenly spaced. what about diameter tho? i liked the ideoa of the 3M screw but i dont what size that is in the US since the AndrewW is in the UK
I haven't read the whole thread, but have you tried taking that 32ga and twisting it together, then wrap a coil with the twisted wire?
Totally agree !. The AGA T simply doesn't work without the tilt, and the less liquid in the tank the more you have to tilt it.
I'm currently doing a homebrew 1.7 dual coil @ 4 volts, and not a dry hit yet...
I do it for the flavor. With a dual coil setup at 0.3-0.5 Ohms (on a mech) you get roughly double what the average regulated device can give in terms of wattage. This leads to a warmer and denser vape which I like. 
Without consideration for wire gauge which affects vapour temp, the rest of the factors such as voltage/resistance/wattage will make you go in circles.
The lower the wire gauge, the lower resistance you can go while maintaining same temperature
30 awg is best all-rounder. Sub-ohms vapers normally use <=28awg. Its not feasible to use =>32awg for sub-ohm vaping due to overly high temperature which can give a burnt taste, which explains why some will never understand sub-ohm vaping.
Ref: Wire diameter vs wire temp/current drawn(P=VSq/R, V=IR) : Nichrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You must always first match wire gauge to your:
Setup
Voltage
1) Fixed Ego Battery
2) Fixed Mech mod with Types of Batteries used (current rating)
3) Variable voltage range (3V to up to 6V)
Resistance
1) sub-ohm
2) low ohm 1.0 to 1.7 ohms
3) Standard - 1.8 to 2.8 ohms
Non-standard Sub-ohm vaping with the right size of wire gauge/coil type can achieve similar vaping temperature with standard resistance range.
It offers the advantage of massive vapours/flavours but at price of much higher juice consumption and shorter battery life.
Coil Type
1) Normal spaced-out Coils
2) Micro/Nano Coils
3) Single vs double or more coils
4) Ribbon vs single/twisted strands
5) Other Coil shapes/positioning
Wick Type
1) Silica
2) SS Mesh
3) Cotton *
4) Others
* - Most satisfying to majority of vapers in terms of vapour/flavour.
Users Skillset
Novice vs Veterans.
If one has mastered the correct techniques to set up a coil/wick properly, the outcome is entirely different.
Rebuildable Atomizer Type
1) Top vs bottom coil tanks
2) Genesis vs Drip tanks
Juice Type
1) Types of Flavouring
2) VG/PG Ratio
3) Other chemicals added
Different e-juices might taste differently at cooler or warmer temperature.
To achieve:
Desirable Outcome
1) The most suitable temperature
2) Best flavour
3) highest amount of vapour.
Desired outcome is subjective and dependent on individual's preference and experience levels.
The lower the wire gauge, the lower resistance you can go while maintaining same temperature
30 awg is best all-rounder. Sub-ohms vapers normally use <=28awg. Its not feasible to use =>32awg for sub-ohm vaping due to overly high temperature which can give a burnt taste, which explains why some will never understand sub-ohm vaping.
Ref: Wire diameter vs wire temp/current drawn(P=VSq/R, V=IR) : Nichrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You must always first match wire gauge to your:
Setup
Voltage
1) Fixed Ego Battery
2) Fixed Mech mod with Types of Batteries used (current rating)
3) Variable voltage range (3V to up to 6V)
Resistance
1) sub-ohm
2) low ohm 1.0 to 1.7 ohms
3) Standard - 1.8 to 2.8 ohms
Non-standard Sub-ohm vaping with the right size of wire gauge/coil type can achieve similar vaping temperature with standard resistance range.
It offers the advantage of massive vapours/flavours but at price of much higher juice consumption and shorter battery life.
Coil Type
1) Normal spaced-out Coils
2) Micro/Nano Coils
3) Single vs double or more coils
4) Ribbon vs single/twisted strands
5) Other Coil shapes/positioning
Wick Type
1) Silica
2) SS Mesh
3) Cotton *
4) Others
* - Most satisfying to majority of vapers in terms of vapour/flavour.
Users Skillset
Novice vs Veterans.
If one has mastered the correct techniques to set up a coil/wick properly, the outcome is entirely different.
Rebuildable Atomizer Type
1) Top vs bottom coil tanks
2) Genesis vs Drip tanks
Juice Type
1) Types of Flavouring
2) VG/PG Ratio
3) Other chemicals added
Different e-juices might taste differently at cooler or warmer temperature.
To achieve:
Desirable Outcome
1) The most suitable temperature
2) Best flavour
3) highest amount of vapour.
Desired outcome is subjective and dependent on individual's preference and experience levels.
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I'm an avid sub-ohm'er, most of my builds are on a RDA. I rock many different types of builds from single to octocoil. I use everything from 32g to 26g.
For one going sub ohm to me is a much hotter vape....but depending on the build (and airflow) you can cool it down. On my dual, quads and octocoils I use dual 1/8" air holes and a wide bore drip tip. The coolest vape I have achieved was with my 32g octocoil.
But when I do twisted coils or braided coils on 26g or 27g wire I get a much hotter vape like my 27g single braided 0.34ohm coil on a single 1/8"
I love the to sub-ohm because I love to build. Not having an resistance limit allows me to make some great builds like my 0.24ohm dual kanthal knuckle build.
But once you go sub-ohm on a unregulated mech device you do need to be mindful of many more issues that can arise. You also need to understand ohm's law, you need a ohm meter (or multimeter), you need to understand battery safety, and know the amp limits of your builds and batteries.
But you can also rock decent clouds and taste with a regulated vv/vw decive as well. Instead of a customized build to change your experience you just need to crank the voltage or wattage. Like how I did with my 1.8ohm on a vision spinner
I think if you love to tinker and are chasing clouds and extreme flavors go sub-ohm on a mech with a rda or rba. If you would rather have a easier grab and go style setup stick with the vv/vw devices on a easy tank system like the kanger pro tanks.
For one going sub ohm to me is a much hotter vape....but depending on the build (and airflow) you can cool it down. On my dual, quads and octocoils I use dual 1/8" air holes and a wide bore drip tip. The coolest vape I have achieved was with my 32g octocoil.
But when I do twisted coils or braided coils on 26g or 27g wire I get a much hotter vape like my 27g single braided 0.34ohm coil on a single 1/8"
I love the to sub-ohm because I love to build. Not having an resistance limit allows me to make some great builds like my 0.24ohm dual kanthal knuckle build.
But once you go sub-ohm on a unregulated mech device you do need to be mindful of many more issues that can arise. You also need to understand ohm's law, you need a ohm meter (or multimeter), you need to understand battery safety, and know the amp limits of your builds and batteries.
But you can also rock decent clouds and taste with a regulated vv/vw decive as well. Instead of a customized build to change your experience you just need to crank the voltage or wattage. Like how I did with my 1.8ohm on a vision spinner
I think if you love to tinker and are chasing clouds and extreme flavors go sub-ohm on a mech with a rda or rba. If you would rather have a easier grab and go style setup stick with the vv/vw devices on a easy tank system like the kanger pro tanks.
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Just came across this thread and only made it to your post so far. I will keep going just so I see if any of it sparks something in me to help it all make sense. I want so bad to experience this awesomeness people speak of when vaping using rba's at low resistance. At this point I've learned to rebuild protank heads but figure why? I use cartos, hubby uses protanks (i maintain his gear for him) and its easy enough to.pop a fasttech premade coil un and be done. Anywho- I feel your pain... Trying to understand all this comes easier to some. If you do find a tgread that helps ya get a grasp of this, will ya share it with me? Don't be so hard on yourself!
Thanks, i will have to read up on it some (a lot) more. Sorry to stumble into your advanced people thread... I was half in the bag and they seemed like good questions at the time. Although a simple explanation like, "we are using different wires, the rules dont apply to these" would have probably pacified my curiosity earlier. But hey, now I know!
Sorry to the guy who got 'a talking to' on my behalf. In your defense, most people aren't as clueless as I, and even if they are, they're at least bright enough to keep quiet about it. I guess I am exceptional in that way.
I've recently come to a big revelation for me. For quite awhile now, I thought that I had to be at .6 ohms to be satisfied. I've just discovered that that is not the case. I'm currently vaping a 1.2ohm coil and it is perfectly satisfying!
The difference? Voltage drop.
I'd been vaping on (mechanical) mods that had much higher voltage drop. Now with a mod that has only .3 drop, .6 is waaayyy too hot and 1.2 is perfect!
Just thought I'd share that in case it helps anyone else.
The difference? Voltage drop.
I'd been vaping on (mechanical) mods that had much higher voltage drop. Now with a mod that has only .3 drop, .6 is waaayyy too hot and 1.2 is perfect!
Just thought I'd share that in case it helps anyone else.
Imo, any vapor that is exhaled is almost like waste. I like getting good flavor and if I'm blowing out clouds, (which is a little fun on occasion) its just less nicotine being absorbed. I used to do this when I smoked too, if I'm just gonna blow it out right away and not inhaling it, then why am I doing this? Just to look "cool", blowing clouds?
I do know my case is different than some, at work I try to be respectful with my vapor and at home, I have kids running around, so I'd rather not being exhaling any vapor at all, if I can help it.....
I do know my case is different than some, at work I try to be respectful with my vapor and at home, I have kids running around, so I'd rather not being exhaling any vapor at all, if I can help it.....
I vape at pretty low ohm and I find that anything higher is not warm enough and therefore is not satisfying. My personal taste is a warm, dense, flavorful vape. Any lower than my sweet spot of .37-.32 is just too got and washes out the flavor.
I got over my whole cloud blowing phase rather quickly. To me , it's somewhat relaxing to see a large amount of vapor coupled with the taste of my favorite juice.
The people that are all anti-sub ohm that say it's stupid yadda yadda yadda would probably be offended if sub ohm vapers said that anybody who vapes at high resistance is stupid and is missing out yadda yadda yadda... It's all personal preference. Just be safe. I can't stand these people, generally kids, that have no clue about sub ohm safety.
I got over my whole cloud blowing phase rather quickly. To me , it's somewhat relaxing to see a large amount of vapor coupled with the taste of my favorite juice.
The people that are all anti-sub ohm that say it's stupid yadda yadda yadda would probably be offended if sub ohm vapers said that anybody who vapes at high resistance is stupid and is missing out yadda yadda yadda... It's all personal preference. Just be safe. I can't stand these people, generally kids, that have no clue about sub ohm safety.
I prefer 50/50 pg/vg. I used to vape 80/20, but it seemed like it was drying out my mouth and throat all the time and it got better with less pg.
I wasn't trying to sound anti sub-ohm, it's like you said, just comes down to personal preference and I prefer staying around 1.2 -1.4 ohms.
I wasn't trying to sound anti sub-ohm, it's like you said, just comes down to personal preference and I prefer staying around 1.2 -1.4 ohms.
1.1 even - 1.6 is where I seem to be getting the best results. IMO as long as there's a noticeable TH and no burnt taste, you're doing the best your setup is letting you do. VG clouds way more, so it may not be the best indication as to how cooked the juice ends up being on a given setup. So the way I see it, if you're getting a proper initial TH and its stays that way throughout the hit, you're vaping efficiently. What must be wastes, simply will be.
Why I prefer smaller chambers too- whatever is excess but not necessarily completely nic-free condensation will collect back and get burnt off eventually vs gennies that just let all that juice sit on the deck and do nothing.
Why I prefer smaller chambers too- whatever is excess but not necessarily completely nic-free condensation will collect back and get burnt off eventually vs gennies that just let all that juice sit on the deck and do nothing.
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