When that random cow is walking down 2nd street, I will think about your advice.
Why does the military consider smoking and vaping the same.
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When that random cow is walking down 2nd street, I will think about your advice.
It all comes down to professionalism and military bearing. It's just like putting your hands in your pockets. That stuff'll get you killed.
Don't forget carrying an umbrella, going outside without your cover, stepping off with the wrong foot, leaving gear improperly secured particularly in rough seas, missing muster and ton of other offences that could rate you a Captain's Mast that a civilian would never consider...
Not while I was in. We had people busted for drugs multiple times and only got busted down to E1 each time. We also had a guy show up for flag detail drunk and in Korea, a guy got drunk, stole and then totaled the post Sgt. Majors car.
That was in the middle of both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. We needed as many people as we could get, so it took a lot to get chaptered out.
There you have it folks. The surgeon generals warning. Explains a lot if you ask me. [emoji4]
The Army is always preaching safety. They even make soldiers wear a reflective belt or vest when riding a motorcycle. It's ridiculous.
Well, dear, they want healthy bodies that they can send to war. Healthy bodies. Which do not look so nice any longer when sent home in a body bag or maimed and crippled. And then dumped without veterans benefits.
I guess they do that all the ridiculous safety precautions because the Army dumped alot of money into you so they want to make sure they dont lose their investment if I can put it that way haha, btw what was your job in the Army
rules are enforced differently, and for different reasons in garrison vs. in the field. For instance, I pretty much smoked everywhere in Iraq (I was a crash rescue fire fighter, didn't have to worry so much about snipers spotting my cherry), uniform regulations aren't as strictly enforced etc.. Guess they figure you are already in a stressful enough situation, so they relax a bit on things that don't impede your ability to perform your job or cause added danger (a good unit and higher ups that is). State side is different, and professionalism is important, even just the appearance of it. When you put on that uniform, people are going to judge you, and through you your unit and branch of service as a whole......."look at what that soldiers doing! What's our military coming to these days?" Keeping to the highest level of professionalism, military bearing and appearance keeps ammunition out of the hands of left wing nay sayers, who like nothing better then to point their fingers at our service men/women.
It's just intellectual laziness combined with bureaucratic inertia. Large institutions resist inessential change.
Retired 30 years military myself....I've seen people vaping at the base Officers and NCO club right at the bar and at tables...and is discussed at the mandatory smoking cessation classes for those still in the military..at least on Air Force bases from Florida to Massachusetts...
I'm a US Navy submariner, If you've ever worn the uniform, you would know that perception is reality. Smoking is restricted to certain area's because it's an ignition source and since we work around all kinds of hazmat, smoking is restricted to smoke pits. E-cigs are not ignition sources but if vaping looks like smoking what's to stop someone coming up next to you and lighting up a smoke when you're vaping in an unauthorized area and creating a dangerous environment.
I am currently trying to get my command to buy off on a vape section, we have an old supply room that noone uses and I found some old aircraft seating. The smart thing to do is, get in touch with your chain of command and prepare a document that looks like an instruction and a request chit. Justify and make it as easy as possible for the command to approve and authorize. I even drew up a concept picture with photos of ships and anchors all over. One thing we all hate doing is paperwork, Officers especially, so if you have it all ready and it just requires being stamped and filed, theres a higher chance of making anything in the military possible. It's a system, utilize it.
I am currently trying to get my command to buy off on a vape section, we have an old supply room that noone uses and I found some old aircraft seating. The smart thing to do is, get in touch with your chain of command and prepare a document that looks like an instruction and a request chit. Justify and make it as easy as possible for the command to approve and authorize. I even drew up a concept picture with photos of ships and anchors all over. One thing we all hate doing is paperwork, Officers especially, so if you have it all ready and it just requires being stamped and filed, theres a higher chance of making anything in the military possible. It's a system, utilize it.
The Aircraft Carrier USS George Washington Has Smoking pits 1 for tobacco 1 for Vaping[ may be more then 1 of each]
http://myvaporsite.com/uss-george-washington-opens-vaping-area/
http://myvaporsite.com/uss-george-washington-opens-vaping-area/
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The answer is actually very simple, and it has nothing to do with it being the military...
...it's way too troublesome trying to distinguish between smoke and vapor. So to avoid the inevitable headaches, you aren't allowed to do either.
...it's way too troublesome trying to distinguish between smoke and vapor. So to avoid the inevitable headaches, you aren't allowed to do either.
A VV Gripper or a simple 3.7V plastic box mod will fit in your sock as easy as a pack of smokes.
As with much in the military, if there's a will there's a way...
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