I sort of liken it to cooking. I'm a decent cook, but I'm not a gourmet, 5 star chef. I do simple meals very well. I make a very easy but terrific chili, but rarely I will buy a canned chili. I've tried and tried to make a great spaghetti sauce, but NEVER have been able to achieve one as good as a certain commercial brand/flavor I like. it's a reasonable cost and takes a whole lot less of my time to just have that sauce on hand. And, so it goes with my eliquids, as well. Some are better bought.
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If by chance I did, I'm not trying to say anyone who buys liquid is a sucker. I'll tell newbies where to go for some great juice, when I use to buy juice. For me personally, I rather digg some of my creations. Fruit wise I think my own mixes fare very well with vendor juice and I have little to no need to consider buying pre-made fruit flavors. I do understand it's not for everyone, and it's not something all people will get a good handle of. My personal theory is, if you're a good cook you'll probably be able to handle DIY, and if you're not a good cook, reconsider DIY. I wouldn't say "DIY snob" is the right word for people think buying liquid is for suckers. Maybe a better word might be "Juice Cheapskates". But come on 2.26$ vs 15-20$ 30ml as Mark mentioned, some people are too bull-headed about it but it's hard not to see they do have a point. You do save a ton of money DIYing. I think it's mentally harder to spend that money on juice when you DIY, get good at it, and start seeing how much money you save. For me it's not out of the question to buy really spectacular juice I know is worth my dollar. I see both sides. Some people can't or don't want to DIY and that's okay too.
However, for those with high rates for nicotine liquid itself you could make juice without any nicotine if that's a problem. If DIY is something you'd really like to try. PG & VG shouldn't(I would hope) don't have high tariff fees.
Many people DIY with success after the learning curve and figuring out what flavors work for them. Its not easy and its not wildly complex. Just takes practice and a little creativity. I don't consider it being a DIY snob as someone mentioned although yes paying 15 or more for 30 ml now seems outrageous. Buying juice is far more costly. Plus how many juices do you have to buy that are disappointing before you get a couple you love? That and saving money was my motivator. Ultimately you have to have the desire and patience for it.
It could be as easy or as complicated as you want. I found several flavors and a vender I love. I'm glad. I was changing juices before by adding stuff or diluting it so something was vape able. If I hadn't found juices I love I would do more DIY. I followed a recipe here on ecf and it was wonderful. If I am hard up again for $ I'll search for recipes and maybe tweak them. So far I just dapple with what feels like a sure thing and I'm glad I have some supplies here because sometimes the mood to play around strikes
I hesitated to get into DIY, it seemed like a lot of hassle, and I am a good enough close enough type of person so was worried about ending up with some kind of vaporing death juice that would send me to the ER or worse.
I like strong but simple flavors, so the DIY is like others have said a 5 minute process and even my close enough .... can us a marked syringe to measure out milliliters.
The main reason I DIY is cost like others said its a lot cheaper.....the down size is with all the bottles, syringes and other mixing stuff when I'm in my mad scientist mode I look more like a .... lab or villain from a James Bond movie.
The down side is finding flavors, and brand, you like....even something simple (I like peppermint and other such mint flavors)......with Brand X I have to put it in at 5% but brand Y takes 20%....also some places the description gives you no clue what the actual flavor is...mellow hippie joy juice type descriptions can make me bang my head on the computer.
I like strong but simple flavors, so the DIY is like others have said a 5 minute process and even my close enough .... can us a marked syringe to measure out milliliters.
The main reason I DIY is cost like others said its a lot cheaper.....the down size is with all the bottles, syringes and other mixing stuff when I'm in my mad scientist mode I look more like a .... lab or villain from a James Bond movie.
The down side is finding flavors, and brand, you like....even something simple (I like peppermint and other such mint flavors)......with Brand X I have to put it in at 5% but brand Y takes 20%....also some places the description gives you no clue what the actual flavor is...mellow hippie joy juice type descriptions can make me bang my head on the computer.
Frosting, I will grant you the point in regards to fruit flavors. Most commercial fruit vapes are indeed simple mixtures of one or two stock flavorings. So DIY for fruits makes sense, since you are basically making the same things that the vendors are selling. (The exception is Ahlusion, who manufactures their own flavorings in addition to ready-to-vape juice, and whose fruits are on a whole other level from anyone else's.)
But I vape tobaccos, specifically naturally extracted tobaccos or NETs, which by definition cannot be mass produced.
So for natural tobacco vapers, we are kind of stuck with buying them unless one of us is crazy enough to be extract it ourselves (like me
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But I vape tobaccos, specifically naturally extracted tobaccos or NETs, which by definition cannot be mass produced.
So for natural tobacco vapers, we are kind of stuck with buying them unless one of us is crazy enough to be extract it ourselves (like me
).
It's like anything else in my opinion, the more you do it the better and better you get, it's not brain surgery by any means either. The more flavorings your familiar with the better, also practice on making your base, and get the base you like best Nic/PG/VG. After a while it became like mixing a nice good drink to me, or baking a darn good pie or desert which took just a little longer ;-)
4 Liters of nice ckear 100mg in my deep freezer, Feds ain't ever getting it either
4 Liters of nice ckear 100mg in my deep freezer, Feds ain't ever getting it either
Some of us don't like vaping fruits and desserts.
My NET's are as good as they get too ;-) at least to me they are anyways , especially when it comes to paying some of the prices out there for pre made juice, but I've got nothing against people who would rather purchase, whatever works for ya is the way to go, I just prefer DIY all day long myself
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I think for many it’s the Unknown.
What Nicotine Base to buy? What Flavorings should be used? What Percentage of this and what Ratio of that?
I think many people are happy with Retail e-Liquids and so they keep buying them because it is Easy and it works for them.
What Nicotine Base to buy? What Flavorings should be used? What Percentage of this and what Ratio of that?
I think many people are happy with Retail e-Liquids and so they keep buying them because it is Easy and it works for them.
@ Zoidman,
I agree, between the unknown and starting up getting going people are a bit intimidated. I'm glad I got right into DIY myself though , paying $20-$25 per 30ml compared to say $3-$4 per 30ml at this point is a big difference though, especially for me going through as much juice as I do . I'm glad I got right into DIY though, it was about a month after I started vaping but still purchased vendor juice while learning, and still do once in a while just to taste and explore what's out there
I agree, between the unknown and starting up getting going people are a bit intimidated. I'm glad I got right into DIY myself though , paying $20-$25 per 30ml compared to say $3-$4 per 30ml at this point is a big difference though, especially for me going through as much juice as I do . I'm glad I got right into DIY though, it was about a month after I started vaping but still purchased vendor juice while learning, and still do once in a while just to taste and explore what's out there
I doubt anyone likes to waste money, but considering in many cases more than a $ 1,000 annually in savings is involved it becomes a rather big deal, esp. for those who are already living along the financial edge. Snobbishness towards those who opt to buy retail juice I fully agree is uncalled-for hostile conduct.
If I'm going to vape for the next 10 years it would be in my interests to become the most skilled DIYer possible. And once you got it down right, you'll have that knowledge forever.
Yup !!!
There are some good tobacco flavorings out there, as well. It's not just fruit and bakery. I have some tobaccos that are outstanding and I'm convinced they are extracts of real tobacco and some that are for sure artificial but taste good. it's been kind of fun and interesting and surprisingly easier to get a good diy tobacco than I ever would have thought. I'm not much of a fruit and bakery vaper, myself. But, it's nice to be able to quick make a small amount whenever I get the hankering for some. Or, to put a little fruit flavoring in a tobacco.
Do you share your recipes? I would love to have yours for Vanilla Tobacco!
Me too!!! I always love a good vanilla combo and with tobacco, that would be excellent.
@ Zoidman,
I agree, between the unknown and starting up getting going people are a bit intimidated. I'm glad I got right into DIY myself though , paying $20-$25 per 30ml compared to say $3-$4 per 30ml at this point is a big difference though, especially for me going through as much juice as I do . I'm glad I got right into DIY though, it was about a month after I started vaping but still purchased vendor juice while learning, and still do once in a while just to taste and explore what's out there
Yeah… The Unknown can be Daunting.
I got into DIY by taking retail e-Liquids and modifying them. Making a flavor Stronger. Or adding another Flavor to a Retail Mix.
Then I started to do “Half and Half”. Half Retail to Half DIY. I learned a lot about how Subtle changes to Flavorings can make sometimes Large changes to the Final taste of an e-Liquid.
I didn’t save much Money for the first 6 months or so. I was constantly buying New Flavorings or the same Flavor from a Different maker. But slowly things settled down and now it is pretty cheap to make 60ml.
It really is a classic personal preference thing. I know some of the eliquid vendors, will happily recommend several of them if a person is looking for something in particular.
I diy because I get exactly the blends I want. If I didn't have a knack for it I would happily buy from vendors. A moderate eliquid user might run 3 -4 ml/day; there is some quite decent eliquid at $15/30 ml, and even at $20 that translates to only $2 and change a day, a fraction of the price of commercial cigs where I live.
I diy because I get exactly the blends I want. If I didn't have a knack for it I would happily buy from vendors. A moderate eliquid user might run 3 -4 ml/day; there is some quite decent eliquid at $15/30 ml, and even at $20 that translates to only $2 and change a day, a fraction of the price of commercial cigs where I live.
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