Haha, I guess I should have seen that coming. If you reread my post you will see I didn't say that you said it was
not ok to disagree. I took a presumptuous role, unfortunately, and was just trying to let you know that your opinion is highly important even when people disagree with it. In otherwords, if I disagree with your stance it is in no way an attack on you as a parent. Get it now? I guess this is where I get my need to be wordy sometimes because if people make simple statements it gets other peoples panties in a knot. You are more then welcome to single me out and take issue with anything I say here because that is the purpose of this type of discussion. Who knows, I may take point with something you say and change the way I look at things. Or I may fire back and stand strong. We will never know if we do not take issue with others points. I was unaware of any rule that allows me to only take issue with those that take issue with me, so where it is coming from is that I was just wanted to reply to your post about colored vapor, but wanted to make sure I included all posts it covered. I don't know how this comes off as that I have a problem practicing what I preach. I value other opinions greatly and when I feel misunderstood I try to make my position clearer but I always try to let the person or people I am discussing things with that even though our opinions differ, that I value them and I hope it also in reverse. The part I put in reddish bothers me a little (certainly not worth an argument, but worth pointing out), because I always try to make sure I am not being
nasty. Could you show me where you felt I was nasty?
As to the second part of your response, both (all) of the posts in question were clear that it was "colored" second hand vapor that was being discussed. I am not in Rossums or anybody elses mind here but I think the eye roll (mine was anyways) was due to a lack of proof that colored vapor (if it even exists) is any different then regular vapor, thus taking issue with your words of warning.
How do you know this is harmful (in blue) or a misuse of vaping. I have seen trickster vaping similar to what you mention and it is (from what I have experienced) done with lighting. And some people have real cool control of their mouth to make fun clouds. This is something fun the younger generation is doing to entertain themselves. Again, however, it is your call on what you want your kids about. I just don't care for any statements that conclude that this is dangerous without proof or even some evidence. Now if this was a group of youngsters not following battery safety then I would definitely agree that it was careless, and scary but I cannot police all kids. All I can do is continue to call for newbs to research and be safe. Last but not least, when I refer to kids or youngest generation when I speak of vaping I am talking about young adults of age.
If I upset you, I apologize. It is far harder to make a point in print then it is in actual conversation.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond Jode and yes, i think i did read your initial comment in your post wrong and apologize for my misunderstanding. I tend to be wordy as well in case nobody noticed (smiles and slides back into computer chair). I think it comes from having two teens and having to explain myself in an expanded version on everything...yet they still tell me I KNOW MOM I KNOW...yet they do the exact opposite of what i asked.
I think we are all on the same page when it comes to vaping, but that doesn't mean we always agree on things that the vaping community does. I basically stand here on the issues
No i don't think there should be any marketing/packaging in any way that appeals to children or teens.
No i don't think we should be selling to minors.
No i don't think we should be vaping in indoor public places and forcing our choice to vape on others.
No i do not believe there should be nicotine regulations
No i do not believe there should be flavor regulations
No i do not believe there should be device regulations
No cloud chasing competitions should not be banned, though it does look bad at times for the rest of us.
Yes i also support regulated measures that reduce the potential for harm to children. I think they have just as much right to protective measures that minimizes harm to their health in the event their parents bring nicotine into their home and fail to protect them, as should a smoker who is looking out for their health have the right to vape as a harm reduction alternative to smoking.
IMO it's not a matter of what we think might or might not happen in whatever case scenario, if a child is on the floor dead and a poisonous liquid with papa smurf on the label is in their hand, is one going to say nah papa smurf had nothing to do with why they even picked that bottle up?. On the flip side, it is also true that if papa smurf was not on that bottle, they may have still picked that bottle up...but the likely hood of them picking it up increases dramatically with papa smurf on it. Surely nobody disagrees with that analysis i hope.
Yes, many children are fortunate enough to have responsible parents, but those children are not the one's that we need to worry about unfortunately. Yes the irresponsible parents are to blame, no arguing with that, but what about the child who suffers as a consequence. No we can not control that, but we can do our part and support measures that would provide some added layer of prevention to help protect these children when their parents fail them.
Now my comments about the teens and how they decorate their devices was meant to point out that we don't need studies to know what they are attracted to and associate with...So why are some in the vaping industry using these kinds of marketing tactics to market their vaping products.. regardless if some of it may appeal to some adults?....better question is why are most in the vaping industry NOT marketing in this way?
Yes, teens can print these things out, draw them and so forth, but i am not sure what point that makes in response to my earlier post. This is about how an adult product is being marketed, one that has the potential to cause harm or death especially in the hands of a typical irresponsible teen, not whether teens can print out labels or stickers.
