Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?

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4 million divided out over 40 years is how much?
btw my employer pays in a matching amount. I was figuring in that as part of my pay in.

So 40 years ago you were making $100,000 per year? That was your starting pay at your first job?

And very convenient that you count someone else's money contribution as your own. It's a bit hypocritical though considering the point being discussed, which is that you don't feel you should have to contribute to someone else. Why should employers have to pay extra for your retirement when they're already paying you for your work? Isn't that just forcing them to pay welfare for you?
 

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Why would your children deserve it?
This is getting silly...

Because my child will spend the rest of her life paying for you. Even after you're dead she's going to be paying off the debt that you left behind. She's only 13 and she already owes over $58,000 to the government to pay off the debt your generation has accumulated. Think about that one for a while. A 13 year old girl already owes $58,000 to pay off her share of the debt that has been allowed to accumulate for the past 40 years. And she's going to pay it, all she asks in return is an education so she can get a decent job.

If you want to deny her that education then how about you make sure that $18+ Trillion in debt is paid off before she turns 16 and starts working? That way she only has to pay for herself and not you too.
 
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Just checked my last SS statement and it says I have paid in 175,362 so I was a bit off. Why should they not it is an employee benefit.

Government mandated "benefit". They don't have an option. It's required by law. It's no different from you being required to pay taxes so my daughter can go to school.
 

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Why I still have the last one I will never know blew 100k on credit cards going on vacations with her family and such while I worked.... Just waitin around to die I suppose.

My lady Sandra asked me like she was asking for a kidney, if I could help her with her utility bills a few months ago, because they adjusted upwards for the year due to the loss in value of the Czech Koruna and she needed $56. I have a bank account in Prague with her name on the account, so she can take out enough to buy a new car if she wants, but she always asks, for even such a small amount...
 

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wait, what was this thread about again?
Provari. I need to make 5 posts before I can post on the forum I'm on here to post on, so it's about Provari, because this post has just brought me closer to being able to say something someplace besides the welcome forum. Everything is all about Provari.
 

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Provari. I need to make 5 posts before I can post on the forum I'm on here to post on, so it's about Provari, because this post has just brought me closer to being able to say something someplace besides the welcome forum. Everything is all about Provari.
If you have a question, you can post it in the new members area, even if it's about a specific device. As you can tell non-new members often answer threads here.
 
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Can I borrow your mass-spectrometer to make sure the juices I get are set to the standards you think they are?
do you have any proof their not?
what is it you think is happening?
i have only heard of one company that apparently goofed
on the nic level. i am hazy on the details. they shipped some
product with a level in the high 30's mg per ml when it was
supposed to be 18 or something similar. customers noticed
and informed the company. the situation was handled.
what is all this they 'might' be putting stuff in it that's
dangerous. why on earth would they do that?
where has there been one reported case of anyone being
poisoned by e-juice that had something bad added to it.
a thirty mg error seems bad but,when you consider some
people here claim to be using 50 mg per ml with no apparent
harm its not the end of the world.
as i have said before if they are not using food grade ingredients
and pharmaceutical grade nicotine they are not by definition
making e-juice.
why are people concerned about a problem that has not occurred,
is not occurring and in all likelihood will never occur?
if it did there are laws already on the books.
why is everyone frightened by a worst case scenario of getting
bad tasting juice. haven't most of us had that experience and
gotten over it?
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mike
 

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Watched this last night, appalling. If I knew nothing about the subject, I'd even say they sounded reasonable and like they care about people. Everyone needs to watch a congressional hearing about something they actually know about.

I won't try to respond to everything in the video, but a few quickies:
1. I bet Rockefeller is being paid more than the Blu and NJoy reps at the hearing, whom he personally insulted for doing anything for money.
2. There are at least 100 comments about things increasing. So what, everything about vaping is increasing right now. No context is made in any of these cases, for example how many poison center calls were actually serious, how many where little Johny touched a drop of e-juice and parents called to ask questions, much less the number of calls for other products.

You're right, anything can be turned into ammo by these people because they have no morals. I have mixed feelings about reacting to it any way, however.

Thank you for watching this Senate Hearing. I know it was Hard to Watch.

Because now You Understand Exactly what type of People we are Fighting Against. And the Level of Distortions and Perverse Tactics that they will have No Problem Using.

You Hit the Nail on the Head when you mentioned that if Someone Didn't Know anything, how these Senators would Reasonable and that they were doing this Because they Cared about People.

And that is Exactly what the General Public is. Uninformed. About the Only Information about e-Cigarettes they get are the Negative Spin that Policy Makers and the Media has put on them.

People post that I am Over-Reacting. Or that All this Really Isn't a Big Deal. It Bothers Me. But I can Understand why someone would say that if they have Not Seen this Senate Hearing. Because they just Don't Understand just what type of Perverse Enemy we are going Up Against.
 

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People post that I am Over-Reacting. Or that All this Really Isn't a Big Deal.
It's not that you're overreacting, or that it isn't a big deal.

It's just that it isn't going to help us one iota to give in to any of their demands.

If nobody is currently selling eliquid with cartoons or cookies on them, they'll either find an old bottle or print one up or move on to "these bright colors" or something else. They have an end-game in mind, and nothing we do is going to change that.
 

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It's not that you're overreacting, or that it isn't a big deal.

It's just that it isn't going to help us one iota to give in to any of their demands.

If nobody is currently selling eliquid with cartoons or cookies on them, they'll either find an old bottle or print one up or move on to "these bright colors" or something else. They have an end-game in mind, and nothing we do is going to change that.

I just Posted this in the Other Thread. Easier then Re-Typing it.

We are not "Giving" them Anythem Jode.

Because Cartoon Charactors or Images of Adolescents on Labels of e-Liquids are not going to be Allowed Anyway. There Isn't a House or Senate Member who would even Remotely Consider fighting for something like this.

All you are doing is Giving Policy Makers who are Against e-Cigarettes a Stronger Argument for More Restrictions with the Uninformed Voting Public.

And since Flavor Bans are Intertwined with Marketing to Minors, it makes Fighting for Less Restrictive Flavor Bans Harder.
 

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I think I'll go find a wall to argue with lol

Nothing personal Zoid... I firmly support your right to your opinions, and firmly defend my right to mine. :)

Hey no problem KattMamma.

Everyone should be Able to Voice there Opinions.

Just understand that we are coming to the Point of the Sword. And that what Happens very Shortly will decide the Fate of the Entire e-Cigarette Market not only for Us, but for All those in the Future.
 

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the public's general perception is "they're going to ban those you know"
if ask them why the answer is, blah,blah,blah,they'll kill you.
blah,blah,blah,the chillin'.blah,blah,blah,formaldehyde.
there reaction to banning or not,meh.
this whole anti-e-cig thing is not directed at the general public or us.
its there excuse to do what they are going to do and,
the reason they are going to pat themselves on the back
for doing it.
the politicians don't care. its more money to spend buying votes.
when they run for re-election they can say folks,by the way i
saved your chillin',again. no need to thank me,its my job.
flavors heck yes.
please try to include the words gummy bear on the label as
often as you can.
colorful labeling and cartoons. you betch ya.
copy right violations aside,do Bazooka Joe proud.
lets show them what we think of their stinking regulations.
do the exact opposite.
vape everywhere possible.show the general public we
are not the monsters. push the boundary's. don't fence
your self in.
vape often,vape proudly,vape with no remorse.
:2c:
regards
mike
 
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