why exactly is the fda trying to ban electronic cigarettes?

[sonicdsl]

so basically they're trying to ban e-cigs because the more people that stop smoking and start vaping the less money the BT companies make? that's it?

No, primarily BP is behind this. See my post above for links to learn more. BT is for ecigs. Lorillard (who now owns blu ecigs), RJReynolds & Altria (Phillip Morris) have all filed with the FDA on the recent hearing in support of THR & ecigs, willing with several thousand of us "consumers".

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[X P3 Flight Engineer]

so basically they're trying to ban e-cigs because the more people that stop smoking and start vaping the less money the BT companies make? that's it?

It's not just BT! There are many levels that profit from smokers, some are obvious, and some are not.
BP profits from treating smoking related diseases as well as NRT drugs.
Health care is an Industry, especially in the USA. Less disease means people out of work.
Government is more addicted to the tax revenue from tobacco than we ever were addicted to the tobacco!
Tobacco farmers have their entire income staked to a market for their crop. This affects some states tremendously.
Some smaller countries have the largest portion of their income based on tobacco production and export.

Smoking supports many many people and they also do not want to lose their means of support.
They will allow us to keep Vaping, as long as we continue to support them in the manner to which they have become accustomed!

From the dirt on the tobacco farm to the Dirt on the Hill ! Lol

 

[sonicdsl]

It's not just BT! There are many levels that profit from smokers, some are obvious, and some are not.
BP profits from treating smoking related diseases as well as NRT drugs.
Health care is an Industry, especially in the USA. Less disease means people out of work.
Government is more addicted to the tax revenue from tobacco than we ever were addicted to the tobacco!
Tobacco farmers have their entire income staked to a market for their crop. This affects some states tremendously.
Some smaller countries have the largest portion of their income based on tobacco production and export.

Smoking supports many many people and they also do not want to lose their means of support.
They will allow us to keep Vaping, as long as we continue to support them in the manner to which they have become accustomed!

From the dirt on the tobacco farm to the Dirt on the Hill ! Lol

Just a little note. Tobacco farmers are still supported by vapers who use nicotine.

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[JudeD]

I think a lot of it is about control, too. I follow politics pretty closely and there are some people who just feel it is their duty or role in life to decide how the rest of us should live. Sometimes, they make laws and regulations with the best intentions or to please a certain special interest group at the time, but they don't look ahead to the consequences their actions can have on others or in the future. The law or regulation sounds good and noble to them, but the ramifications turn out to be disastrous in many situations, sometimes even causing loss of life. Of course, they generally only take credit for the successes and sweep the eventual problems under the rug or pin them on someone else. And many times, even when they get what they wanted passed, they still are miserable and search for another "control fix" and another issue to complain about, usually involving something based on flawed data that doesn't impact their lives in any way, but they feel the need to control regardless.

I know that even on here, some of the members who are yelling, "How can they think about banning vaping?" also post in threads supporting taking away a right unrelated to vaping that other Americans enjoy or feel is important to keep. If we say, "I don't care if the gov limits soda size or trans fat or hunting or gun ownership or baby formula or sodium because none of those things affect me," then we shouldn't be surprised when they have an easier time regulating something that does affect us. Every right that we let them nibble away at "for the common good" makes it just a little easier for them to take big gobbles of the rights we care strongly about.

Sorry if I sound jaded. I used to be pretty optimistic about the power of the American people, but the last decade or so has beaten that out of me.

 

[denali_41]

I think a lot of it is about control, too. I follow politics pretty closely and there are some people who just feel it is their duty or role in life to decide how the rest of us should live. Sometimes, they make laws and regulations with the best intentions or to please a certain special interest group at the time, but they don't look ahead to the consequences their actions can have on others or in the future. The law or regulation sounds good and noble to them, but the ramifications turn out to be disastrous in many situations, sometimes even causing loss of life. Of course, they generally only take credit for the successes and sweep the eventual problems under the rug or pin them on someone else. And many times, even when they get what they wanted passed, they still are miserable and search for another "control fix" and another issue to complain about, usually involving something based on flawed data that doesn't impact their lives in any way, but they feel the need to control regardless.

I know that even on here, some of the members who are yelling, "How can they think about banning vaping?" also post in threads supporting taking away a right unrelated to vaping that other Americans enjoy or feel is important to keep. If we say, "I don't care if the gov limits soda size or trans fat or hunting or gun ownership or baby formula or sodium because none of those things affect me," then we shouldn't be surprised when they have an easier time regulating something that does affect us. Every right that we let them nibble away at "for the common good" makes it just a little easier for them to take big gobbles of the rights we care strongly about.

Sorry if I sound jaded. I used to be pretty optimistic about the power of the American people, but the last decade or so has beaten that out of me.

hell,,just look at the gun bans they are trying to pass right now,,states are now passing laws to counteract the fed laws.thats is going to be head on

lets face it,,there are a lot more willing to fight for guns rights then there are for vaping rights !!

the media needs to get behind the vapin scene in order for us to survive this in anything resembling a positive note

 

[mightymen]

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There’s no doubt that special interest groups are funneling big money at the executive branch of the government or the executive branch is doing this on their own. Congress is not the one pushing the agenda on E-CIGS. It’s the Executive branch who controls the agencies that are attacking E-CIGS. The head of all the agencies is the president and he appoints the other heads of the agencies.
In conclusion the president of the United States is in charge of each agency

The president is called commander and cheif simple because he controls the Military and that is who he is.
The same with all the agencies.

 

[klynnn]

If you've never heard of the Peter principle all I can tell you is it is alive and well in the us gov't.

 

[Chopstixx]

All they want is our money going towards them..

 

[PLANofMAN]

The pretense is that e-cigs use fluids that are not inspected or run through FDA testing and used on equipment that also has not been screened by the FDA. The testing would take decades and cost more than the mom and pop vape operations could afford. BP's reasoning for this argument is "consumer safety." Ironically, cigarettes are exempt from this testing and regulation. Every vaper that puts down a pack of smokes is a lost customer to BP. It's a customer they can't sell their patches, their gums, or their quack "stop smoking" suicide pills.

 

[mightymen]

The pretense is that e-cigs use fluids that are not inspected or run through FDA testing and used on equipment that also has not been screened by the FDA. The testing would take decades and cost more than the mom and pop vape operations could afford. BP's reasoning for this argument is "consumer safety." Ironically, cigarettes are exempt from this testing and regulation. Every vaper that puts down a pack of smokes is a lost customer to BP. It's a customer they can't sell their patches, their gums, or their quack "stop smoking" suicide pills.

HOW MANY: smoking mirrors can you buy with money!

 

[brian5470]

It all to save the children!

 

[meli.]

The pretense is that e-cigs use fluids that are not inspected or run through FDA testing and used on equipment that also has not been screened by the FDA. The testing would take decades and cost more than the mom and pop vape operations could afford. BP's reasoning for this argument is "consumer safety." Ironically, cigarettes are exempt from this testing and regulation. Every vaper that puts down a pack of smokes is a lost customer to BP. It's a customer they can't sell their patches, their gums, or their quack "stop smoking" suicide pills.

Which is exactly why CASAA and everyone else with a little logic are advocating E-Cigs be viewed and legislated as Tobacco Products.
Pursuing this line of defence seems to be the only Loophole vaping has to side step BP's big ideas and circumnavigates any Prolonged pharmaceutical research and testing arguments.
The FDA have already documented and graded freebase nicotine.
The only real argument is "Is it safe to Vape/ Inhale?" and at what strengths should it be available to the general public?
For me that is a silly argument anyway, if you can get 15mg in a Nicorette inhaler there is no valid reason to question vaping or its safety for inhalation.

The fact that so many businesses (especially B&M) have started and are flourishing in this economy would be a further slant on a government shutting them down, killing business opportunity, investment and increasing their unemployment statistics.
It's just not feasible for them to do this in the current climate. I suspect if all else fails, the FDA will probably adjourn their decision till further notice and keep everyone in a state of limbo for who knows how long or return with a "we require further information and consultation before we make any further announcements."

 

[tj99959]

It's a pretty simple philosophy really. They can't come up with a viable way to regulate them, so the easiest way is to just find a way to sweep the whole issue under a rug. Chapter IX effectively does that since virtually nothing that is in use today existed prior to 2007.

 

[Skinny Pete]

they are just trying to .... us one way or another. I have a pack of condoms ready so I can .... them when the time is right

 

[NeilSwift]

Money. Plain and simple. BP makes less money because we don't buy "traditional" stop smoking therapies. BP makes less money when less people get sick and or die from cancer, high BP, asthma, COPD, etc. Big tobacco loses money from less people purchasing tobacco products. Vaping is not regulated, therefore, does not have increased taxation attached to it. Revenue is lost to special interest groups as well. They want to regulate us under the premise of "safety" and "nicotine regulation" but it is really about them wanting more money from us.

Spot on. I did a ball park calculation and at present the UK government alone are loosing £1.3 billion in lost taxes.

They will never ban it. Just tax the crap out of it.