Why I'm going back to smoking cigarettes

[Gestalt]

Well, I've only been doing this e-cig thing for a couple of weeks now, but its clear to me that the technology has not been perfected and refined yet. I got the 510 cartos, and guess what. Burnt taste. I managed to salvage them by cleaning them with water. Also there is the leaking and juice in the mouth problem... But there are other systems to try. I got a plain old eGo cartomizer and it was much better. It had a bigger reservoir so it didn't get dry as often and the leaking was better too. I plan to try some of the other things people seem to recommend as some of them might just be even better than that (boge cartomizers, duel coil, etc). I wish this was a "fiddle with it once a day or less" sort of thing, but I haven't gotten to that point yet.

There is some hope on the horizon though. The eclipse mod looks promising. If you have already put $700 into this, I would invest a little more in a selection of different cartomizers to see if you can strike the right compromise with one of them until a better solutions arrives. Its not a gimmick, its a work in progress.

 

[project1017]

I too have spent a few bucks on trial and error and I found my sweet spot with a 510 mega battery and dual coil atty. Now I have 3 different chargers because the dual coil atty will use battery power so I keep 3 batterys charged up at all times. Also I have a 510 usb stick as well and its awesome....I am a flavor junky so I spend $$ on flavors but after I buy my att's and batterys and flavor I am about $75.00 per month. That is nothing compared to what I spent on Analogs. Dont give up because Analogs will kill you and they take all your money in the process....

 

[hawkfire1]

Been researching and 'lurking' the forums for a year, vapeing that long of a time having problems and not a single post? I don't buy it.......sorry

hello,

I know you are entitled to your opinion, but this is a bit too much.

The OP has posted his predicament, a little background info on his vaping experience and describing his frustrations with the equipment he has.

I fail to see how your comments have anything to do with the OPs question.

What I do see is that if you want to treat new members here with mistrust and paranoia, perhaps it is better you go start your own e-cig board with yourself as the only member so that there will be NO differing opinion, NO need to mistrust, No need to be suspicious since it will be your own perfect world.

By the way, to the OP, I best advice I can give you is vaping isn't for everyone and it might be for you and it might not be for you. Only you can decide that and what direction you wish to take in choosing a PV. You have to decide if you want to use a pv as a means to quit the analogs or to choose to use a pv as an alternate to smoking, or a combination of both.

Once you decide what to do, then you can decide what pv is a good choice for you.

I have the the inferno t and the inferno with the CE2 resevoir cartomizers.

I have also had those same issues and have dealt with them via modding the inferno atomizer tank wick and by modding the cartomizer silicone cap and dry burning the coil and wick get rid of the black crap that makes the carto taste horrid.

As others have mentioned, vaping is a learning experience.

Currently, for both taste and ease of use I am using Bloog Maxxfusion and Volt kr808 D1s as they suit my needs and don't burn easy or need modding to suit my tastes.

 

[Gestalt]

I forgot to mention, one thing that I'm looking into to solve some of the issues I've been running into with e-cigs are bottom feeder mods. It just seems like a much more convenient solution. Someone mentioned the reogrand, which I think is a bottom feeder, but I think there are also some lower cost options around.

hawkfire1 mentioned the KR808D1s, which might actually be a good solution. I've never tried them, but it looks really low hassle. You can probably get an adapter for whatever battery you want. Places like vapor4life.com sell pre-filled cartomizers for around $2 each. Once its out, just toss it. You would have to buy 3 of those to equal the cost of one pack of cigarettes, so it seems like you would save money.

 

[Stownz]

If your interested in a certain product, just use the search feature. Tyep in CE2 and you will get a whole load of information, and a TON of it bad experiences. Same for the Ego-T.

There are lots of new users on this forum, and lots that have not tried many products out there. There are plenty that have a HUGE amount of experience you could learn from as well. Remember that people hate seeing bad reviews, and the fanboys run in packs. Some of us will post the bad, regardless the social consequences. Lots of the reviewers that post videos just beg for free stuff, and don't want to get a bad rep with suppliers by giving bad reviews.

Its the full range of opinions, that are the beauty of ECF.

 

[Pandy]

Hey Ph0enician, I'm sorry to hear that you are going back to smoking cigarettes. I never really liked the CE2 Cartomizers myself, and they are quite a bit of a chore to fill them up. I mainly stopped using them due to the filling part, never had any of the issues you listed there unless it's on my 5 volt.

It doesn't actually matter what batteries you decide to go with, Ego, auto or manual ejoy 510s, box mods, etc. What matters is the type of atomizers/cartomizers you happen to decide to use. I've been currently using the Smoke Tech 2.0 ohm 510 Cartomizers (Link) with a dip tip right at the very top.

I started using the fillable Cartomizers due to the fact that all my Ego Tank Atomizers were dying, and I honestly didn't like the lack of flavoring I got from the vaper. I also went ahead and got me some Ejoy Mega 510 Automatic batteries (Link) with the 2.0ohm cartomizers, and I've been happier ever since.

The best of luck to you, honestly, I wouldn't give up on it due to some bad experiences with other products. I've ran into the same bad luck as you have, and I'm still vaping. Just need to fine tone what works for you, and find the perfect vaping peace in you.

 

[jamminloud]

hello,

I know you are entitled to your opinion, but this is a bit too much.

The OP has posted his predicament, a little background info on his vaping experience and describing his frustrations with the equipment he has.

I fail to see how your comments have anything to do with the OPs question.

What I do see is that if you want to treat new members here with mistrust and paranoia, perhaps it is better you go start your own e-cig board with yourself as the only member so that there will be NO differing opinion, NO need to mistrust, No need to be suspicious since it will be your own perfect world.

By the way, to the OP, I best advice I can give you is vaping isn't for everyone and it might be for you and it might not be for you. Only you can decide that and what direction you wish to take in choosing a PV. You have to decide if you want to use a pv as a means to quit the analogs or to choose to use a pv as an alternate to smoking, or a combination of both.

Once you decide what to do, then you can decide what pv is a good choice for you.

I have the the inferno t and the inferno with the CE2 resevoir cartomizers.

I have also had those same issues and have dealt with them via modding the inferno atomizer tank wick and by modding the cartomizer silicone cap and dry burning the coil and wick get rid of the black crap that makes the carto taste horrid.

As others have mentioned, vaping is a learning experience.

Currently, for both taste and ease of use I am using Bloog Maxxfusion and Volt kr808 D1s as they suit my needs and don't burn easy or need modding to suit my tastes.

Well, I won't get into it with you, go see my response on my post "Don't believe all you read." And OP, if your genuine, my apologies. I hope you come back and prove me wrong. Your post leaves little room for negotiation.

 

[JohnReagan]

It was such an easy experience for me that I read this and I don't comprehend the struggle, although I do feel for you. My gear was a gift from a dear friend. It consisted of an Ego kit with 2 650 mAh batteries, a Riva kit with 2 650 mAh batteries and one Ego passthrough with 7 510 atomizers used strictly for dripping. That was in October 2010 and I'm still using the same batteries. If I would have outright purchased both of those kits and the PT I would have spent just $100 in batteries over an 8 month period.

When the attys died, I bought more at a slow pace ... 2 here, 3 there, about 6 in total over the course of the last 6 months. I spend just 18.99 a month in juice. I buy my juice at 36mg and lower the nic to 16mg by mixing it with CVS Pure Glycerin USP at $3 a bottle and I've only ever bought 2 bottles. Mixing it down makes a 30ml bottle go a long way. Contrast that with $300 a month I was spending in cigarettes at $5 a pack.

I understand that not everyone likes to drip and that not everyone is going to want a 510 based Ego. However, I must say, those Ego batts are tough and have really worked for me. Maybe switching to dripping might be the solution. I would dread having to go back to analogs. Believe me I'd love a mod or an Ovale or an Echo or any of the other number of products that are out there to experiment with. I just can't afford it and I've been fortunate to have found my sweet spot on the cheap. I hope the same for you OP. Ecigs are most certainly not a gimmick. They're a life changer and I feel better than I have in years. I sincerely hope you don't go back.

 

[markfm]

I agree with leannebug's suggestion. For simple, try normal cartomizers, Boge low resistance (2 ohm) or standard resistance, with eGo class batteries (650 mAh rating or higher -- Rivas are also good).
Buy them using normal vendor discount codes, they will run about $8/5, including shipping. ($1.60 each)
As an experienced person, but not pushing it, I run about 4 days/cartomizer with a single flavor before it's time to put them aside for cleaning or toss them. That means about $0.40/day for cartomizers.
If you already have a juice or juices you like, that part of the problem is gone.
Filling and topping off normal soft-tip cartomizers is easy. In my case I pop out the soft tip mouth end with a paper clip, don't even bother putting that piece back on. Hold the carto on a tissue, at an angle, drip some juice down the inner edge of it, let it soak in a bit. Rotate the carto, repeat, rotate, repeat. Blow through the mouth end, onto the tissue, to clear excess juice.
To top the carto off, do the above or if you are lazy (I am), just hold the ecig at an angle, repeat the drip-juice-down-side, just use a bit less juice so you don't get much or any going down the center tube of the carto (you want it just on the filler material).
Cost gets low once you figure out what works for you. I run $2 - $2.50/day, including $ for replacement hardware, vape 5 - 6 ml/day (I was a pack a day smoker for ages, vape a lot, but do-it-yourself on the liquid; a non-DIY person vaping closer to 3 ml/day with commercial juice would run about the same.)
Good luck!

 

[Pandy]

Well, I won't get into it with you, go see my response on my post "Don't believe all you read." And OP, if your genuine, my apologies. I hope you come back and prove me wrong. Your post leaves little room for negotiation.

His just asking for advise dude, even if his genuine or not, anyone can ask for advise. I hardly post here and troll all the same, only reason why I'm posting now is due to the fact that I'm bored at work.

 

[DuncanDisordely]

I too am dubious, maybe it's just me but the figures don't seem to add up, $700/1yr/1post...

Please do come back and talk to us, I hope you didn't really throw all that money away you could have sold/swapped and found a product with no 'burny' issues (they exist, I use one), but then I also hope that you are not really a tobacco rep or other person with nefarious purpose...

Happy vaping to all!

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Ph0enician -

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I getcha... Going it alone is rough. How about a bit of in person, one on one support?

Since you are in my neck-o-da woods, (Phoenix) I'd like to invite you to join our local Social Group of people in the Phoenix area who vape. We get together once a month and at our socials we help each other with any problems, have a few laughs and a beer (or two). You'll find great people, see all kinds of models of atomizers, cartomizers and mods and are able to try them out and ask questions. We all are more than happy to help and give you tips and tricks that many of us found work after more than a year (I've been vaping for over 2).

Your Private Message option isn't turned on... so I'll post the info here (though feel free to PM me). You can also join our Group's Social Group forum that is located here on ECF here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/vip-vaping-phoenix.html (click JOIN in the upper right) and post in our forum located here VIP - Vaping in Phoenix . Our next Social is this Sunday. Information is in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oenix-vapors-meetup-sun-up-brewing-1-5pm.html We're also on Facebook and I'd love for you to join us there too Log in | Facebook

Oh, and if you are smoking... we don't care.

If you can't make a Social, I'd be happy to meet up with you, have a beer or coffee and talk about vaping and see if we can't get some of your problems figured out and maybe get you some different atomizer/cartomizer models to try out if you really want to get off the stinky sticks (or just replace some of what you smoke each day). Hope to hear from you.

 

[hawkfire1]

Well, I won't get into it with you, go see my response on my post "Don't believe all you read." And OP, if your genuine, my apologies. I hope you come back and prove me wrong. Your post leaves little room for negotiation.

hello,

What part of his post is about negotiation?

He asked for help and is awaiting replies from other people who are WILLING to give him some CONSTRUCTIVE advice.

 

[jamminloud]

hello,

What part of his post is about negotiation?

He asked for help and is awaiting replies from other people who are WILLING to give him some CONSTRUCTIVE advice.

I don't argue with passive/aggresive people. Here's some advice, get a Reos........how's that?

 

[vermonter16]

Ahhh, I can relate. I too spend $$ on ecig supplies (which I still have but what I started out with was ok...just didn't work for me. I hated the short battery life, the short cartomizer juice life and it was just such a pain. Smoking an analog just became easier and since I was getting mine on the indian reservations - they didn't cost much $$ so I felt like I was spending more $$. Now, I am super ready to quit...and am just going to keep searching until I find what works. My new echo should arrive today and I'm hoping that that may do the trick....we'll see. Something has to give. Lung cancer runs in my family and I may already have shortened my life but I am definitely going to try and give myself and my body a second chance.

 

[hawkfire1]

I don't argue with passive/aggresive people. Here's some advice, get a Reos........how's that?

No,

You just insinuated and accused the op of being some secret agent for big tobacco and then when nobody responded to your post, you got mad and made your own soapbox topic.

Sad and disappointing really since your posts are of no help to the OP at all.

 

[Dario]

I have been lurking on here ever since I discovered electronic cigarettes about a year ago. This is my first post.
This forum is a truly remarkable compilation of user experiences and information on the subject.
It is by far the best on the web, which I why I will contribute my story and seek out advice on my situation.

Lets begin with a brief history. I did countless hours of research on e-cigarettes before I decided to buy my first device. I decided on the Joyetech eGo using CE2 Cartomizers. I found Volcanoecigs.com selling a re-branded version for less than other resellers, so I purchased their Inferno Kit.

Everything was great at first. The vapor production was excellent. The flavor was potent and delicious. I was in heaven. I quit smoking completely within two days because the cigarettes just didn't taste sweet like the Volcano e-Liquid (Blue Water Punch). I was using the CE2 Cartomizers and refilling them with a syringe. It was a bit of a chore but well worth it to me.
Unfortunately, the bliss was short-lived. Soon my cartomizers started getting a burnt taste. I tried desperately to fix the situation by attempting various cleaning methods (boiling them, soaking them in alcohol, etc). Nothing would get rid of the burnt taste. I gave up on the batch and ordered new ones. I figured maybe I had dry burned them and the wicks had been permanently damaged, because they looked black inside even after cleaning. What did I do? I ordered a new pack of CE2 Cartomizers from a different reseller and was back in vapor heaven. This time around, I was very careful not to let the cartomizers tank get empty. I kept them topped off with e-liquid for fear that the burnt taste would return. Sure enough, it did. Even after I was so careful not to let them burn dry.

I gave up on e-cigarettes after that. I figured I wasn't saving any money because the cartomizers were only good for a few refills before they started tasting foul. I figured e-cigarettes were just an online gimmick and not a legitimate alternative to smoking cigarettes. I was mad about all the money I spent on my supplies. I threw everything in the trash.

After several months of smoking a pack a day, I decided to give e-cigarettes another chance. I figured maybe I just needed to try a different device. Volcano has just started selling the eGo-T Tank System and I was very excited. Maybe without he wicks on the atomizer there would be no burnt taste. I ordered a kit an Interno-T kit.

Soon enough, the eGo-T started to taste burnt. I tried the same methods I had used on the Cartomizers in an attempt to clean them. It did not work.

I resorted to dripping with a drip tip, but the atomizers would get a bad taste after a while as well. Then i tried washing them and they wouldn't work after drying.

If I added up all the money I have spent on e-cigarette batteries, atomizers, liquid, chargers, drip tips and supplies, it would probably be about $700. I feel like I have wasted all this money for nothing, only to finally realize the gimmick that these devices are.

So that is why I'm going back to smoking cigarettes. I am curious to know if anybody else has had similar situation to mine. I am also curious to know if there is perhaps a better engineered device for me that someone can suggest.

Thank you for your time. I eagerly await your replies.

I put a kit together for my uncle who you surprisingly remind me of. He had the same complaints. I know I spent $80 a month on ejuice but there are plenty of other places to get good quality liquid for a lot less. I chose Halo $$$ because the Torque 56 is smooth, vapes really nice, tastes great and is so clean it seems to make my cartos last for weeks at minimum. But others here have turned me on to other liquids... I use clear cartomizers which helps me keep an eye on their condition. I love the clear! I have had great success with X2 Dual Coil clear cartos. Anyway... this kit cost my Uncle $192.00(USD). It has 12 X2 cartomizers, 2 Riva 1000mAh batteries, 2 cones to fit the X2, A USB 650mAh passthrough, 2 Delrin drip tips and three 30ml bottles of Halo Torque 56.

For him that's about 25 days worth of ejuice which should give him plenty of time for finding another juice or reordering from Halo. One carto will last weeks so do the math for 12 of them. Depending on your vaping habits one could go for a couple hours before needing juice. Overall, I think this is cheap as hell and low maintenance for an entry level kit that's completely turn key. Just add juice! The cost is considerably low by comparison to analogs. There's just no substitute for a good cartomizer with a good battery.

 

[tommygoh]

TS: I'm glad you're able to put a price on lung cancer and how much you value your life.

Vaping can't be put in direct comparison with analogs, regardless of price, maintenance etc.

 

[AttyPops]

Been researching and 'lurking' the forums for a year, vapeing that long of a time having problems and not a single post? I don't buy it.......sorry

Well, I probably shouldn't even reply to the OP's "bait", but I'd have to agree with jamminloud about the whole thing (IDK about his "big tobacco" conclusion, tho).

The whole thing looks like a story of self-defeating behavior and/or rationalization for smoking. If you have problems (like carto issues, etc) post here and ask. Don't wait a year, throw them out, re-buy, but don't change much ... like trying atties and dripping rather than tanks/cartos, then declare "ecigs don't work!" and go back to smoking. You can get burnt taste from any e-cig. Particularly if you use them incorrectly.

You have to want to quit. If smoking is too big of a temptation for you, nothing will work... including e-cigs.

That said. If the OP really wants to quit smoking.... try atties and dripping... even for just a few weeks. You will probably get tired of it, but it's the least complex way to use an e-cig. Just keep the atty wet (3 drops, vape 10-15 puffs, repeat). If you get a burnt taste, you've vaped too much and didn't keep it wet. If the atty gurgles, it's flooded. Few if any hardware issues that way. Then move into cartos, tanks, research and selecting what works for you.

And for the record: I don't claim dripping is the least laborious... just the fewest things to go wrong. So it's easier to succeed (if you really wish to). Move "up" from there.

Sometimes e-cigs just don't work out for people. They don't provide a solution for everyone. You'll have to analyze it for yourself, and your particular needs.

 

[VapPornRules]

If you don't like the way refills taste, why wouldn't you just buy a new carto every time? You will still save money.