Why is e-liquid selling at such high prices ?

[Steamix]

Those dinky bottles cost surprisingly much, even in bulk purchases. DIY - any old jar will do in a pinch.

Labelling adds a cent or two. DIY - any scribbled sticker will do.

Distribution costs and profit share for the manufacturer as well as the vendor racks up the price. DIY - consumer and maker are sitting at the same table.

Is like any other convenience product. Toss it in the microwave, tear open, munch away.

Do the same from basics up will be cheaper ( perhaps more fun too ) but more time consuming.

 

[NathanielFT]

I found a nice vendor who sells 100ML for 18$ , at first I thought that there must be something fishy about his liquid because of the low price , but later while going over some PBusardo reviews I ran into a review about his liquid and it surprised me that so many people outside of Israel buy his liquid.
so I guess this guy Yaeliq probably trying to make a name of himself and that might be reason for his prices.
I recently bought 100ML tiramissu juice for only 10$ !!! amazing juice

Wow thats a crazy price, i've heard this name Yaeliq ringing around so might have to place an order, keen to see if they got a custard option gona check out the site later, thanks


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[young gotti]

I don't see the reason for the crazy prices either....as i had a discusion with my buddy who only vapes stuff these days that are $22 per 30ml and swears it's better quality

the question i had for him then was....isn't PG, PG not matter what, it doesn't vary in quality, same with VG, similar to the bodybuilding supplement world that i'm a part of, most of the companies are probably getting their stuff from the same exact warehouse even if it's sold under a differnt name

the only thing he came up with was that American Nicotine is better quality than chinese nicotine or whatever, which is fine if you assume that the chinese nicotine is contaminated, if it's not then I don't see how it's any different

which comes to the flavoring, yes some of these companies are coming up with crazy flavor combinations, is that worth the difference in paying $8 per 30ml to paying $22 per 30ml...i dont' believe so, I mix my various juice flavors all the time. It's not difficult to come up with something you like

you can still find good deals on juice, mtbaker is cheap and runs sales all the time to make it even cheaper, ecblends is cheap and runs deals, and above me someone mentioned yaeliq who sells 100ml for $10 for certain flavors, i have his juice now and it's ok but i got a flavor i wasn't crazy about and 100ml is huge bottle to go through

with that said I'm going to try some of the more expensive juices as i get extra money to see if i can notice a difference in not only flavor but quality as well....like how i feel during the day, smoothness of the vape, and nic cravings...if they aren't any better then i'm sure i'll stick with the cheaper priced juices

 

[rzil]

Wow thats a crazy price, i've heard this name Yaeliq ringing around so might have to place an order, keen to see if they got a custard option gona check out the site later, thanks


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check out his seal of a deal page , there you can find some 100ML for only 10 bucks , that's how I found an awesome tiramissu juice , I figured for 10$ it shouldn't be that bad if I go wrong and get something i don't like.

his Green Caramel is pretty good (tastes like really good green apples juice) and I also heard some good things also about his honey bunny juice .

 

[dshgr]

I don't understand all of the complaining about prices. If you don't like juice prices, DIY. If you don't like what you have to pay for coils, wrap your own. If you don't like the price of an original mod, buy a clone.

When a person takes their time and effort to make something, they have a right to charge whatever they want for it. You have the right to buy it or not. It isn't really right for you to ..... about what someone charges for their work.

 

[optsmk]

I used to order from Nhaler all the time because it was a lot cheaper to get the 3-30ml bottles. It's not all that cheap, but it is a lot less expensive than buying 9-10ml bottles at the local B&M
30mL Threesome Assorted Liquids 12mg and 24mg

 

[NathanielFT]

check out his seal of a deal page , there you can find some 100ML for only 10 bucks , that's how I found an awesome tiramissu juice , I figured for 10$ it shouldn't be that bad if I go wrong and get something i don't like.

his Green Caramel is pretty good (tastes like really good green apples juice) and I also heard some good things also about his honey bunny juice .

Thanks for that mate much appreciated. Green caramel sounds good, i'm looking at the site and i know i'll defo be going for a custard, and the toasted marshmallow would be my best eliquid ever if they've got the flavour right! Damn so hard to choose...


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[crxess]

You do know while trying to justify High cost you are ignoring Market Fact.

There are successful venders selling 30ml anywhere from $8.50 to $30.

That is a large spread and not all of it can possible be Discount or expense. Think!

Bottles are grossly over priced to the E-cig buyer attempting DIY
Sourcing outside this venue, I purchase 10 30 50ml bottles very reasonable and that is not in Case lot quantities.

 

[Traver]

Small manufactures have high overhead per sale and have to charge more. There aren't enough larger juice makers to create a competitive marketplace so they can also charge high prices. After all they are in this business to make money not to make you feel good.

This is also a high risk business at least till the FDA comes out with some rules.

As for Chinese juice I think Hansen has better quality control than the vast majority of American companies. I have never heard of anything bad about their juice as far as quality goes. I don't know anything about any other Chinese juice maker and would not trust any others without some extensive research..

Make The Best E-liquid - Quality Control System of Hangsen Holding Co.,Ltd

 

[edyle]

With the price of PG, VG and flavoring I fail to understand why the big web players and the local shops are selling it at such a high price. The small shops with low sales volume an higher price may be understandable but not for the high volume web sites.

I tried some of the cheaper chinese products and did not see a difference with others. Unkonwn or Inadequate quality control keeps me away from those.

I have started to make my own as the end price is on average about 10 times less. I would certainly quit making my own if I could pay a fair price for commercial e-liquids. 2 to 3 times my cost but no more. I guess it is a matter of principle as much as economical

Supply and Demand.

The $Demand$ is the millions of existing smokers who currently already $spend$ on a pack a day.
That's why suppliers are always so interested in figuring out how many milliliters per day the average vaper vapes.
They take the cost of a pack of cigarettes and divide by the average mililiters per day and use that as a baseline price point .

Price is going to remain high until we cross the hump when there are more vapers than smokers.

 

[danfinger]

This argument would warrant selling gazoline at 30$/gallon.

Ad hominem argument. Has nothing to do with the topic.

That's not an Ad hominem. An Ad hominem attacks the person presenting the argument as opposed to attacking the argument itself.

His comment is closer to Ignoratio elenchi or maybe a red herring.

/debate nerd

 

[edyle]

Right now it's still common to see 10 ml bottles of eliquid.
That's because the industry is booming and the demand is fueled by new vapers. People are still experimenting with flavors

After people have been vaping for a year or 5, who wants to buy a 10ml bottle of eliquid? People are going to want 100ml bottles;

When the 100ml bottle becomes the norm, then the prices will stabalize

 

[crxess]

After people have been vaping for a year or 5, who wants to buy a 10ml bottle of eliquid? People are going to want 100ml bottles;

Only if stuck in the ADV rut. I'm 2 years in and still switch flavors several times an hour. Some days up to a dozen flavors.
Could you imagine a cabinet with 1200ml of liquids waiting to be used?
I don't have to, I have that much thanks to early searching for the right flavors. Old = Stale for most flavoring.

Note - I have been into DIY for about 9 months..................and the pile keeps growing.

 

[DaveP]

I buy 50ml bottles of Dekang for $10.99 to $13.99. The price graduates as nic content rises. It's mostly plain flavors and there are no in your face flavor concentrations, but it's good clear juice for a good price and the flavors are clean.

Dekang and Hangsen employ pharmaceutical grade production facilities in the manufacture of their juices. It's not cheap to be in a world wide distribution chain, but the economy of scale allows them to sell quality products at fair prices.

Here's Hangsen's video.

 

[edyle]

Only if stuck in the ADV rut. I'm 2 years in and still switch flavors several times an hour. Some days up to a dozen flavors.
Could you imagine a cabinet with 1200ml of liquids waiting to be used?
I don't have to, I have that much thanks to early searching for the right flavors. Old = Stale for most flavoring.

Note - I have been into DIY for about 9 months..................and the pile keeps growing.

Well there you go; you DIY; you don't buy 10ml bottles of eliquid;

I bet among your DIY mixes you have at least 1 100ml bottle of mixed eliquid.

 

[DaveP]

Here's one showing Boge and Dekang.

 

[klynnn]

Remember the people on ECF are I think much more advanced in their knowledge of ecigs than the average user. Most people haven't a clue that they can make their own liquids let alone actually do it. A lot of the vendors have numerous regs, overhead and liability ins involved. They will charge as much as they can get away with.

 

[wheezal]

His comment is closer to Ignoratio elenchi ...

what does a Harry Potter spell have to do with anything?

 

[crxess]

Well there you go; you DIY; you don't buy 10ml bottles of eliquid;

I bet among your DIY mixes you have at least 1 100ml bottle of mixed eliquid.

Sorry, bet lost.
Largest ever = 50ml - a Very nice RY4 Blend
Actually most of my DIY is done in 3, 5 and 10ml sizes. You never know when an awesome mix is going to steep out wrong or just get boring.

I will agree 10ml is a good New vapor size until they find the ones that stick. After that 30-50ml is plenty with any variations. For the Die Hard single flavor Vapor, DIY 100-250ml may make sense, dependent on daily use.

Anything that will last more than 6 months should be made later in smaller quantities.

 

[mare ze dotes]

Right now it's still common to see 10 ml bottles of eliquid.
That's because the industry is booming and the demand is fueled by new vapers. People are still experimenting with flavors

After people have been vaping for a year or 5, who wants to buy a 10ml bottle of eliquid? People are going to want 100ml bottles;

When the 100ml bottle becomes the norm, then the prices will stabalize

Wrong. I have been through maybe 85 different flaves. There is nothing that will make me ever buy 100 ml of it. What does stabilize mean?