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As far as I know no one in the forums is a DOCTOR, so I'd recommend if all else that's been suggested fails or perhaps sooner seeing a real doctor mate. Hope u work it out, Vapeing is Great for most.
Howdy pzsoulman!
I started vaping about 2 months ago and also started with the Vapor4Life. They are still the only brand of batteries I have experience with- I have a passthrough, a titan manual and auto cigalike and the DialAVolt arrived today. Almost all of their tobacco flavors have some sort of sweet undertone. I have to admit- I quit the tobacco flavors the 2nd day of vaping for 2 reasons. I had got the tobacco prefills in the 18mgs and this this turned out to be too high. I also felt ill after vaping them. I didn't care for the taste of any one of them I tried. I've tried a total of 12 of their flavors from Peppermint to English Toffee to Apple Cinnamon Cranberry and while a couple of them were OK they mostly had a chemical undertone, imho. Once I tried the USA made eliquids (So far I've tried Dallas Fort Worth Vapors, Backwoods Brew, Copper Creek, Kick Bass Vapors and today's arrivals Heather's Heavenly Vapes and Aroma) I realized I probably won't use V4L for flavors. Their blank carts though are on par with the other brands of those I've tried and definitely worth the price with the discounts they are so good at sending out.
I also agree with other responders that your body could certainly be adjusting to vaping instead of smoking as well. Keep with it, and experiment, experiment, experiment. I'm still finding my sweet spots too, so I wish you the best of luck.
I started vaping about 2 months ago and also started with the Vapor4Life. They are still the only brand of batteries I have experience with- I have a passthrough, a titan manual and auto cigalike and the DialAVolt arrived today. Almost all of their tobacco flavors have some sort of sweet undertone. I have to admit- I quit the tobacco flavors the 2nd day of vaping for 2 reasons. I had got the tobacco prefills in the 18mgs and this this turned out to be too high. I also felt ill after vaping them. I didn't care for the taste of any one of them I tried. I've tried a total of 12 of their flavors from Peppermint to English Toffee to Apple Cinnamon Cranberry and while a couple of them were OK they mostly had a chemical undertone, imho. Once I tried the USA made eliquids (So far I've tried Dallas Fort Worth Vapors, Backwoods Brew, Copper Creek, Kick Bass Vapors and today's arrivals Heather's Heavenly Vapes and Aroma) I realized I probably won't use V4L for flavors. Their blank carts though are on par with the other brands of those I've tried and definitely worth the price with the discounts they are so good at sending out.
I also agree with other responders that your body could certainly be adjusting to vaping instead of smoking as well. Keep with it, and experiment, experiment, experiment. I'm still finding my sweet spots too, so I wish you the best of luck.
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first, try changing your vape technique. There are different techniques shown on youtube for this. Even though a dry hacking cough is a sign that a person needs to change their vaping technique - getting sick to the stomach is another one. Especially if you are vaping and immediately swallowing saliva.
second, try different e-juices. You can always clean out whatever you are using. (a two piece unit: battery and mouthpiece has a cartomizer and a three piece unit: battery, atomizer, mouth piece is an atomizer with a cartridge) you can always look up cleaning methods on youtube with either atomizer or cartomizer in the search parameter. Also, if you know of any allergy or sensitivity to any particular food additive/flavorings then please email to find out. Some use extracts or natural flavorings and also artificial flavorings. Some people are sensitive and get major stomach problems with certain artificial flavorings (like myself).
third, try different pg/vg mixes like a 60/40 to have a good throat hit (TH) but not so powerful on the PG to make one gag. Some people react to strong PG and even the PEG used in the prefilled types as well. Try different strength of pg/vg of a flavor you don't mind much.
fourth, ff you are using an atomizer use the drip method instead of the cart. If you are using a cartomizer make sure you are not getting dry hits (which can also make a person sick to the stomach). Try different mixes and nic strengths and different techniques until you find what works best for you. If you get a lot of dry hits with a carto (cartomizer) then you may want to think about getting a clearomizer - it is much cleaner and many of them give you less chance of getting dry hits.
I went through a lot of sample e-juices and different items until I found what worked best for me. If you can find a group or other people close by to you, then hook up with them to save yourself a lot of money in going through e-juices and such.
Good luck, keep on trying to vape and by all means keep away from the analogs (smokes)
second, try different e-juices. You can always clean out whatever you are using. (a two piece unit: battery and mouthpiece has a cartomizer and a three piece unit: battery, atomizer, mouth piece is an atomizer with a cartridge) you can always look up cleaning methods on youtube with either atomizer or cartomizer in the search parameter. Also, if you know of any allergy or sensitivity to any particular food additive/flavorings then please email to find out. Some use extracts or natural flavorings and also artificial flavorings. Some people are sensitive and get major stomach problems with certain artificial flavorings (like myself).
third, try different pg/vg mixes like a 60/40 to have a good throat hit (TH) but not so powerful on the PG to make one gag. Some people react to strong PG and even the PEG used in the prefilled types as well. Try different strength of pg/vg of a flavor you don't mind much.
fourth, ff you are using an atomizer use the drip method instead of the cart. If you are using a cartomizer make sure you are not getting dry hits (which can also make a person sick to the stomach). Try different mixes and nic strengths and different techniques until you find what works best for you. If you get a lot of dry hits with a carto (cartomizer) then you may want to think about getting a clearomizer - it is much cleaner and many of them give you less chance of getting dry hits.
I went through a lot of sample e-juices and different items until I found what worked best for me. If you can find a group or other people close by to you, then hook up with them to save yourself a lot of money in going through e-juices and such.
Good luck, keep on trying to vape and by all means keep away from the analogs (smokes)
excellent advice.this happen to me when i first start out. after 15 years of analog (20 sticks per day) i too choose a tobacco flavored at that time. i feel sick, i cough a lot and i even rub my eyes while handling the juices. it make me turn back to analog.
after few days, i tried switching to other e-juice, pineapple bubblegum with 12mg nicotine content i think. everything start to get better, after 2 weeks i try smoking analog again (just for the fun of it lol) my body cant take it, i almost puke. today, i'm 20 days without analog
i wish you all the best
Yes I do agree, the dessert-like flavors several have been way too sweet tasting and others have not been sweet enough (almost bitter tasting). That is why I gave those flavors up.
To your question:
First, I am not a "veteran" on the forum but have been using the e-cig off and on for a while; since 2006 in fact.
Second; no matter what else you do - seek a physician in your area and take his/her advice. Allow the physician to monitor you as well.
Third, if at all possible - fine another person or group close by you and have a "meet-up". This can help in many ways - trying different e-juices, learning different equipment, and many other things.
Fourth, regardless of a "meet-up", try changing the technique. If you are vaping in the same manner as you did while smoking - this can be the cause of the cough and other symptoms. Before changing the nic level, try changing the technique. Of course, regardless - if your physician says change the nic level then do that instead but changing the technique is always a good idea.
Fifth, if after changing the technique and trying several different ways with no success then it is time to try the pg/vg mix levels. Get your e-juice, a small bottle that can hold about one ml of liquid, a dropper and some vg from your pharmacy or other store locally that carries it. If you have an atomizer, that is even better to use than anything else; if not - good idea is to buy a nice inexpensive one. You may also want to buy a mouthpiece or use a blank cartridge (no cotton fill in it) as a mouth piece. Take the bottle that you are going to use that can hold about one ml of liquid and find something to help with measurment and mark it in 1/4 increments (marking on outside of bottle). Take your e-juice and put about 1/2 ml into the marked bottle. Using the dropper, put about 1 drop of vg into the marked bottle with the e-juice. cover the top of the bottle so you can shake it or use something to stir it. Make sure the atomizer is clean (if you are using something else, make sure it is fully cleaned out). Get a couple drops of the new mix on the atomizer and put the mouthpiece on and vape it. You can usually get about 5 hits for 2 drops..sometimes more and sometimes less though. If the symptoms still there then add another drop and keep doing this until you are no longer getting the symptoms or you loose all flavor. If you are not using an atomizer then fill up the container with the e-juice to just a little less than 1ml and add two drops of the vg. Put this into the delivery system like normal and vape. If symptoms return then clean out delivery system and this time add 2 more drops (total of 4 drops) of vg. Keep doing this until loose all flavor or no longer get symptoms.
If you have added drops and still have flavor and no longer getting symptoms. Figure about how much vg you added so get the "new" pg/vg mix. If you are having trouble calculating, ask in here by stating the mix it was and how many drops you added and somebody will help do the math for you and even teach you how to calculate for future reference. Now purchase the e-juice with the new mix (same nic amount).
Sixth, if after having purchased new e-juice with the "new" pg/vg mix but with the 12mg of nicotine and the symptoms return then it may be the nic amount. Calculate how much vg you added to get the changed nic level. It will be lower in the above method also because you diluted the e-juice. If you have trouble, again others can help you calculate and even teach for future reference. Now purchase the new e-juice with either the old pg/vg mix or the "new" pg/vg mix and with the new nic level (if at all possible, either close to it or mix yourself by getting same pg/vg mix in same flavor but with different nic levels and mixing to the proper nic level).
Seventh, if all above did not work and symptoms return then refer to your physician or try out the last thing NO PG, just use 100% vg. Ask to make sure your setup can take 100% vg from those on here or how you can make it work.
Hopefully one of these helped you with the problem. Above all else, your physician's advice should be followed.
Are you sure about that? If you don't mind, where did you get this information? As far as I know, all prefilled cartos contain PG, VG or a mix of the two. I've never heard of PEG being used in cartomizers,
GJ,
You have lots of great advice in this thread, which I will be following. Thanks very much for the insight.
One more question for you all------
I know we are not doctors, but a 'head rush' and / or dizziness is most likely due to the level of nicotine, correct??
I'm wondering why I did not have any ill effects at all from Blu-Cig Hi Nic content cartos (I love the Vivid Vanilla and Java Jolt flavors....inhaled them both all day long without a problem), but now I'm having a problem with lower nicotine juices.
Your experience and advice will be much appreciated, as usual......
I can only take a guess here as I have not used Blu specifically.
One thing I noticed as a difference between the commonly available cigalike type device and my ego-c setup is that I draw LONGER and get a whole lot MORE vapor from the ego-c.
Since we are pretty much getting our nic from absorption in our mouth and nose with vapor I suspect the longer draws and increase in vapor means we are by definition getting MORE of the nic into our system even if the nic is marked equal between the two device types.
Caveat: This is just my opinion on it I have no scientific proof to back it.
pzsoulman as others have already stated keep trying, I also had a rash of detox issues I faced when I quit analogs. Trying to find a good Tobacco flavor to replace a analog is impossible and flavor is subjective so keep that in mind when others give you a suggestion, as someone above suggested go hit a local mom & pop shop and try the various flavors they have and find a good base flavor you like and go from there.
Good luck and congrats on quitting analogs !
Good luck and congrats on quitting analogs !
Holy smokes, or vapor....
I posted this last night, thinking hopefully by now someone would have taken the time to help - but 6 pages of help, WTH!!! Thank you guys so much, this is way helpful info. I've done some more reading here, tips on how to vape (who would have thought I'd have to learn smoking again ;-) I also dug some more into all of the abbreviations used here.......
It's a bit better with changed technique, with the Vapor 4 Life turns out priming helps, at least me. It doesn't make be sick anymore, but still doesn't taste much better. I think it's incredible how many that initially went with tobacco style carts changed to fruity flavors etc. I guess I may have to try that soon.
Intrestingly if I don't inhale it tastes 10 times better, what is wrong with that? Maybe I shouldn't have bought the 36 strength? I'm really hoping i will get used to this, right now I'm still smoking analogs during the day. In the evening my wife lets me have "quality computer time", that's when I need it the most.
Thanks again everyone, I'm sure I'll have more questions soon!!! - What a great support forum
Cheers,
Pete
I posted this last night, thinking hopefully by now someone would have taken the time to help - but 6 pages of help, WTH!!! Thank you guys so much, this is way helpful info. I've done some more reading here, tips on how to vape (who would have thought I'd have to learn smoking again ;-) I also dug some more into all of the abbreviations used here.......
It's a bit better with changed technique, with the Vapor 4 Life turns out priming helps, at least me. It doesn't make be sick anymore, but still doesn't taste much better. I think it's incredible how many that initially went with tobacco style carts changed to fruity flavors etc. I guess I may have to try that soon.
Intrestingly if I don't inhale it tastes 10 times better, what is wrong with that? Maybe I shouldn't have bought the 36 strength? I'm really hoping i will get used to this, right now I'm still smoking analogs during the day. In the evening my wife lets me have "quality computer time", that's when I need it the most.
Thanks again everyone, I'm sure I'll have more questions soon!!! - What a great support forum
Cheers,
Pete
Mind you I am a lightweight but 36 strength sound REALLY strong to me. THe most hardcore exsmokers I know (roll your own guys) only use 24. I would not be surprised at all if the 36 ISN'T at least part of your problem.
The community here is just full of helpful committed people. It is astonishing to see so many willing to go so far to help total strangers. Gives hope it does.
I am hitting my 3 week danger zone and to be honest suffering some of the detox crap for the first time. What keeps me vaping through it right now is I don't want to disappoint the wonderful people here on ECF. We can all get through the rough spots...TOGETHER.
no danger zone. you are almost over the hump. after this next week you will stop feeling miserable, having most of the toxic stuff out of your body. 2 more months, and the trace elements will be gone from your organs. you are doing great. don't backslide stay committed.
take er easy on the tobacco sauce. give yourself time to detox from tobacco. you will never find a vape that tastes like a Marlboro. if you want that taste , smoke a Marlboro. sorry. in a few weeks if you are very lucky you will naturally gravitate away from the taste of tobacco. it is natural detox in play. just buy enough juice to keep you going for three weeks, and enjoy the lovely tobacco withdrawal experience. hydrate like The FDA is going to ban vaping tomorrow. flush out the toxins, and start reading juice threads to find the next flavor after the taste of tobacco becomes nauseating. don't make any major decisions about your quitting program for at least the first month. get free of the tobacco, then u can reduce your nicotine as you like. and find that ever elusive perfect vape.
If I can make it two month I have faith you can to. One day hour min sec at a time.
I'm a relative noob (started about three weeks ago); was doing both vape and analog for the first week; then went three days without analogs, smoked about half of one on the fourth, and have maintained that for about a week and a half. I see the "half of an analog" thing as the last dying bit of my most hardcore cravings, usually popping up when I'm really stressed out.
Anyway, I don't know 1/100th as much as most people on here. I started with V2s precisely because I wanted an approximation of a cigarette, but I didn't like any of the flavors - except the Sahara (Camels, quote-unquote), which I simply love. I've tried five or six different tobacco flavors from different vendors and I hate them all; one was so disgusting it makes me nauseous just thinking about it. Sahara from V2 is the only one I've ever liked.
It's amusing how idiosyncratic all of this is. I was a PAD smoker of Parliament Lights for about ten years, so when I started I thought something between 8 and 14mg would be fine for me. Nope. I chain vaped all day and I felt like I was getting no nic at all. So I moved up to 18mg, noticed some improvement but it STILL wasn't enough. So I moved up to 24mg and that is just right for me. But still - I chain vape it (seriously, maybe 4 or 5 ml a day) and I never get a rush or a headache. I did on the first day I used the 18mg, for some reason, but that was it. I think I've actually increased my dependence on and tolerance for nicotine since I started vaping, but I don't care right now. The trade-off is worth it - super nic fiend w/ vaping and longer life vs. semi-super nic fiend w/ smoking and shorter life.
Anyway, I have no wisdom to offer except that finding your groove with vaping can be a serious ordeal - a lot of sunk costs at first, a lot of crap, a lot of "how the hell does everyone love THIS?," a lot of liquid you'll buy and try only to immediately consign to the wastebin. It's arduous and stressful, so you kind of have to live off of your resolve and a bunch of crap you don't really like for a while.
I've tried a whole bunch of stuff based on recommendations on here and it's either too complicated for me at the moment or I just flat-out don't like it. Vivi Novas are a mixed bag for me; not adoring them, but not hating them (most of the time). I tried a bigger Titan clearo and got so little vapor out of it it was like trying to vape the steam off of boiling water. I just got my Kanger protank today, and aside from the thing being a gorgeous piece of machinery, I'm not in love. As everyone knows, it is seriously airy. Also, for myself, something about the metal drip tip makes everything taste metallic. The crappy fruit punch liquid mixed with the metal makes it taste like I'm vaping battery acid. I tried one of my favorite liquids with it (Razzle) and it's now Razzle + metal, with less flavor and more air.
It sucks, but I've found that what a lot of people tell noobs on here is true - you simply have to find what you like, or what works for you.
I still have yet to find anything I like half as much as the basic Ce4 clearos my Apollo starter kit came with. Everything is just right about them --- for me. I've found a mere handful of liquids I could see myself vaping for a good long while - a fruit mix from a local shop, and Razzle and Green Apple from Apollo. Tried coffee and didn't like it. Tried Blueberry Kona and wanted to puke - it tasted like cough syrup. Tried a mint strawberry and a Pineapple - too sweet. And so on.
That's a lot of money down the toilet, and I am far from having, shall we say, an extensive amount of disposable income. The only thing that keeps me going is the final goal - and it's life itself; more years and better. It's worth it.
Stick with it, and remember - there a lot of people on here every bit as baffled and frustrated as you.
Anyway, I don't know 1/100th as much as most people on here. I started with V2s precisely because I wanted an approximation of a cigarette, but I didn't like any of the flavors - except the Sahara (Camels, quote-unquote), which I simply love. I've tried five or six different tobacco flavors from different vendors and I hate them all; one was so disgusting it makes me nauseous just thinking about it. Sahara from V2 is the only one I've ever liked.
It's amusing how idiosyncratic all of this is. I was a PAD smoker of Parliament Lights for about ten years, so when I started I thought something between 8 and 14mg would be fine for me. Nope. I chain vaped all day and I felt like I was getting no nic at all. So I moved up to 18mg, noticed some improvement but it STILL wasn't enough. So I moved up to 24mg and that is just right for me. But still - I chain vape it (seriously, maybe 4 or 5 ml a day) and I never get a rush or a headache. I did on the first day I used the 18mg, for some reason, but that was it. I think I've actually increased my dependence on and tolerance for nicotine since I started vaping, but I don't care right now. The trade-off is worth it - super nic fiend w/ vaping and longer life vs. semi-super nic fiend w/ smoking and shorter life.
Anyway, I have no wisdom to offer except that finding your groove with vaping can be a serious ordeal - a lot of sunk costs at first, a lot of crap, a lot of "how the hell does everyone love THIS?," a lot of liquid you'll buy and try only to immediately consign to the wastebin. It's arduous and stressful, so you kind of have to live off of your resolve and a bunch of crap you don't really like for a while.
I've tried a whole bunch of stuff based on recommendations on here and it's either too complicated for me at the moment or I just flat-out don't like it. Vivi Novas are a mixed bag for me; not adoring them, but not hating them (most of the time). I tried a bigger Titan clearo and got so little vapor out of it it was like trying to vape the steam off of boiling water. I just got my Kanger protank today, and aside from the thing being a gorgeous piece of machinery, I'm not in love. As everyone knows, it is seriously airy. Also, for myself, something about the metal drip tip makes everything taste metallic. The crappy fruit punch liquid mixed with the metal makes it taste like I'm vaping battery acid. I tried one of my favorite liquids with it (Razzle) and it's now Razzle + metal, with less flavor and more air.
It sucks, but I've found that what a lot of people tell noobs on here is true - you simply have to find what you like, or what works for you.
I still have yet to find anything I like half as much as the basic Ce4 clearos my Apollo starter kit came with. Everything is just right about them --- for me. I've found a mere handful of liquids I could see myself vaping for a good long while - a fruit mix from a local shop, and Razzle and Green Apple from Apollo. Tried coffee and didn't like it. Tried Blueberry Kona and wanted to puke - it tasted like cough syrup. Tried a mint strawberry and a Pineapple - too sweet. And so on.
That's a lot of money down the toilet, and I am far from having, shall we say, an extensive amount of disposable income. The only thing that keeps me going is the final goal - and it's life itself; more years and better. It's worth it.
Stick with it, and remember - there a lot of people on here every bit as baffled and frustrated as you.
I don't want to rain on anyone. But yes I wasted 600 bucks but I would not trade my current set up for anything about to get into dripping. And capeson go to mt baker vapor and try some of their 200+ juice flavors. If you want some recommendation I can name a few. Oh and if you hit it right the first time you might not really know the true joy of vaping. If I had to do it over I would go with kanger mt3 and ego twist or vision spinners. But I have a evic and provari life's good I've never felt this good or right in the zone.
yes the head rush/dizziness is usually associated with a too high of nicotine but not always the case. If you do the research you will find this is caused by the brain getting a small amount of oxygen than it normally was getting. Nicotine attaches to the red blood cells blocking the oxygen so in response the head rush/dizziness. Now nicotine can also cause this on it's own but is also associated with blood pressure increase, dots of light in your vision, and a headache.
this is one reason to consult your doctor about it. The same reaction has been seen in some people from the PG, same reaction for those people with a fog machine in a club or concert.
it can also be a symptom when using some types of e-cigs/pv units because it produces more vapor (pg/vg) going in the lungs. Because it weighs more than oxygen, it blocks the oxygen from reaching your blood and therefore your brain causing the head rush/dizziness.
that is the reason I say consult a doctor and try to find a person or group close by.
that is also the reason I stated to change the technique you use also. then check the pg mix.
good luck and keep vaping
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