The source of the cotton i use is far far far away from fukushima japan, some concerned vapers have even Geiger counter tested the cotton i use. Legit concern, know where your cotton comes from.
Why is it so much cheaper to buy online?
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I paid $75 for two eGo batteries with ce4 clearos from a B&M when i started vaping. I was happy to do that because i wanted them immediately so i could try out this faddy craze of 'vaping'.... 5 years on and i rarely (just about never) use any of the shops local to me. 'Tinternet all the way.
I suspect the B&M market for gear is mainly reliant on new starters and people who have no interest in educating themselves about vaping...
I suspect the B&M market for gear is mainly reliant on new starters and people who have no interest in educating themselves about vaping...
Lol Im not saying your cotton is radioactive.
The contamination in that region has affected crops and the soil used to grow them.
Keeping contaminated dust from cosmetic factories and food processing plants has been a huge concern.
Keep in mind the Japanese government has and does mislead everyone concerning the ramifications of the disaster.
They are protecting their economy.
They have actually lied since day 1.
Now Im not a Fukushima nut, but I know for a fact the Japanese ministry of health seriously downplayed the disaster since it happened.
I dont trust the Japanese (or any) government with my safety.
We have a lot of B&M shops in my area, too many IMO. Vaping is pretty big here. But the good ones seem to have wised up to the fact that if they want to stick around, they aren't going to do it by charging crazy prices for hardware, over and above what the online vendors are charging. Several local shops have brought their prices more in line. You will pay sales tax, but you'll save on shipping.
Juice is another story. The real money is in juice sales. 100% markup is pretty standard; and there are a lot of Vapers, even the hobbyists, who won't bother with DIYing. Another trend I'm seeing lately is prewrapped coils; claptons, fused claptons, etc. Ridiculous prices being charged, for a few pennies worth of wire.
It reminds me of computer printers, where they'll practically give printers away, in order to sell ink cartridges.
Juice is another story. The real money is in juice sales. 100% markup is pretty standard; and there are a lot of Vapers, even the hobbyists, who won't bother with DIYing. Another trend I'm seeing lately is prewrapped coils; claptons, fused claptons, etc. Ridiculous prices being charged, for a few pennies worth of wire.
It reminds me of computer printers, where they'll practically give printers away, in order to sell ink cartridges.
Wow. That's the second time I've heard of iCares doing that.
Absolutely. I can make some very tasty juices for $1.63 a 30 ml bottle when i used nicotine. Now 0 mg/ml the cost is under $1.40
Yep, some are wising up but a lot are still trying to gouge the customer, shame. Local B&M I hang out at do charge a premium for some of the gear they sell, some about the same as online. They don't focus on the gear, they'd have to take a big loss if they tried to compete with online Vendors. So they basically focus on good first time newbie kits for the new Vapers. They have a limited selection of some things like the Griffin, Cleito, Crown I, and a couple other RDA's. Again those are good for transition gear towards the builder world. They have a large selection of house juice that is very good, fair price and that's where their profit is at. Since they were the ones who got me into Vaping and also helped me transition to the Rabbit Hole I like the hang out there. I buy some gear there, very little though but I get a lot of juice there just so I can support them. They have things like a great lounge with projector TV, couches, a build station so you can do your own builds. They also provide free Cotton Bacon, Rayon and Kanthal wire. A lot of us hang there help each other out especially since they can no longer do builds or teach how to build so a lot of us customers who can help do to pass on the knowledge.
I support the shop for the following reasons
1. They sold me my first Vape and showed me how to use and maintain. They don't focus on the latest gear for profit but what will work for you (employees aren't on commission)
2. They taught me how to build on my first RDA there
3. They taught me how to make Claptons
4. Their main focus is to get people off the Stinkies
5. Excellent place to meet and network with fellow Vapors
These reasons are why they are doing well and are supported, even though you can buy pretty much everything they sell you can get cheaper online.
As for the price of Coils, yeah basic coils are simple to make and cheap. But when you get into the higher end like anything above fused Clapton's with the complex coils made with ribbonwire, alien, stapled, spaced clapton, etc. there is a significant amount of labor involved. Those who expect to get a pair of quality hand made framed, stapled, corrugated, etc. coils for $10 or less are being ridiculous. Quality hand made Fused Clapton's for $10 a pair that's fair, anymore is too much and gouging IMO.
Ditto on the rayon, I bought a box for like 10 bucks and it will no doubt last me the rest of my life . I also believe it to be superior to cotton
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Rayon, meh don't like the way it tastes nor the the feel of it.
Cotton Balls, major PiA to use, don't like them
My go to is Koh gen Do, very cheap like a bag of 80 very large pads for around $11 on Amazon, hell lasts for ever. It's easy to use, wicks wonderfully and no nasty taste. Stuff like Cotton Bacon IMO is insanely over priced that isn't anywhere near as easy to use as Koh gen Do.
As far as the concern with radioactive cotton, I'd be much more worried about the poison GMO crap that has FDA fast track approval through the FDA from the likes of Monsanto. That and how the FDA has removed the requirement to label food that has been radiated.
Wasn't me who mentioned concerns about radio active cotton, but as for the rayon, I have heard people say they don't like the taste, I honestly find that hard to believe because I have tried it side by side with many types of cotton and couldn't really tell much of a difference. The only difference I really notice is that it seems to lasts a bit longer and there is absolutely no break in to it at all. With cotton I get a slight cottony flavor for a few pulls, but none with rayon. I couldn't disagree that you find the taste worse then cotton because everyone is different but I have heard and seen someone who said it was horrid and for that person, I would have to say that they either got some bad stuff or wicked it wrong because although it might be slightly different, there's no way it's completely different. I think with all wicking materials, there are only slight differences and although some may think they can tell major differences, I would think they would have a really hard time doing a blind taste test if all were wicked perfectly
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Oh the radioactive concern was earlier in the thread and I was addressing that.
As for wicking, as with most everything in Vaping it's all subjective. Everyone has their own additional tastes and needs. People just need to get opinions of others on different styles and what not, try as many as they can and settle on what suits them the best. As for break in, me I rarely ever get a break in period with Koh gen Do which is why I like it so much. I also pulse my coils while juicing them before I vape after wicking, unless I'm somewhere like work which I don't have that luxury. Even when I can't pulse while juicing I rarely if ever have a break in period with Koh gen Do.
I agree for sure... I do feel the kgd may be a bit easier for someone just starting, because of it being flat and perhaps just cutting a section straight across. I use kgd from time to time also and do like it, I just tend to like the rayon a little bit more. I have one tank, out of the 6 to 7 that I vape every day that seems to works better with the cotton, and as I vape my tanks through the day, I could never just blindly pick up that tank and immediately say, "oh that's the cotton one". Maybe if I vaped one with cotton and one with rayon, and vaped them back and forth a bunch of times, I might be able to, but at least for me they are extremely close. Also i have heard some flavors taste better with certain wicks, so that could be another factor. But yes, that's the fun of this whole thing, find what you like and enjoy the ride....I love vape mail
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Yeah so subjective, I've tried so many different wick material. For the Premium stuff I do like Native Wicks Platinum blend and have a few bags of it stashed. Heck I've even tried degummed hemp fiber, big PiA to use. I always come back to Koh gen Do, it just works for me. Every now and again I'll use the NWPB but stick mostly with KGD. I do a Scottish Roll and for me so much of the appeal of KGD is the ritual in itself. Cutting the strip, peeling the outer layer, fluffing, rolling, etc. I place my cotton dry, don't pre juice it until after I place it. Takes time but again I enjoy the ritual, kind of a Zen moment for me.
I too did the hemp a few years back and kind of liked it. I remember getting that stuff ready for vaping, I think I boiled it a few times , dried it, then maybe something else? It was time consuming but used it for like 6 months before moving on to something else.
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B&Ms are good for 2 things...
when you need what they have NOW and to play touchy feely with the other products and then buy it online...
when you need what they have NOW and to play touchy feely with the other products and then buy it online...
Yeah, I still have many, many packs of it. For me it was a major PiA to pick out the stems. The break in flavor didn't really bother me, kinda reminded me of back when mi Poppa was a farmer and I was chewing on hay. Picking out the stems kinda had a novelty with flashbacks of my teenage years but that wore off quickly.... lol ....
All depends on the B&MB&Ms are good for 2 things...
when you need what they have NOW and to play touchy feely with the other products and then buy it online...
That was it, picking out the stems...I knew there was something else
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1. I never said the cotton was radioactive..in fact, I explicitly clarified that. Reading comprehension is very important to keeping up.
What has that rant about GMO and Monsanto got to to with Japanese cotton?
One doesn't negate the legitimate concerns of the other.
Again, to each there own.
I wont vape off it.
Then again, after meeting a couple of "Gourmet EJuice" manufacturers, I won't vape any juice that isnt made in my kitchen.
But maybe thats just me.
For the same reason a single pad of Japanese cotton costs around a dollar at a local vape shop when on-line you can purchase 180 pads for $5, when you buy at a vape shop you're paying for convenience. The people who plan ahead and comparison shop multiple online vendors can save a bundle without sacrificing quality.
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