It all makes me want to try just a few drops of passion flower extract instead....sure would save a lot of worry/cost/hassle if that would hit the spot instead of WTA.
Why is WTA such a controversial subject?
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That too, I think....this is the thread I was thinking of, though:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6739
That's where I heard about Yerba Mate, then!
The Anabasine in that CigRx is one of the tobacco minor alkaloids...the one that is thought to be the MAOI.
There's a new product from that company that has the Anabasine without the Yerba Mate (Anatabloc) ....I've wondered about the vapability of that stuff too.
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I've read thru this and part of the other thread but that one is too long. I keep thinking that any NET process involving alcohol or other non-polar solvent is going to liberate alkaloids. Therefore, i suspect that NETs also have alkaloids in them. Is there a way that NET producers are removing the alkaloids?
the logic behind the WTA is good, something was missing from just nic juice...but i'm not convinced that introducing the alkaloids is a good thing for the reason it would add to addictive properties. that's for myself, i don't feel like imposing that on others tho as it would still be much much safer than burning tobacco.
its the PAHs that are formed from burning material that's the main carcinogens, the black lines on your steak and those black crispy edges on anything also contain these and they are NOT good for you.
naturally occurring metals like arsenic and mercury are also in the burned tobac and CO, cyanide etc
the logic behind the WTA is good, something was missing from just nic juice...but i'm not convinced that introducing the alkaloids is a good thing for the reason it would add to addictive properties. that's for myself, i don't feel like imposing that on others tho as it would still be much much safer than burning tobacco.
its the PAHs that are formed from burning material that's the main carcinogens, the black lines on your steak and those black crispy edges on anything also contain these and they are NOT good for you.
naturally occurring metals like arsenic and mercury are also in the burned tobac and CO, cyanide etc
Speaking of carcinogens, it's a beautiful sunny day! I should go outside.
LOLBut yeah, I hear you. I read Dr. V had some strong views on this, but I think if there is any minor alkaloids in some NETs, it would be minimal if at all. I do know one vendor I buy from checks his liquids for TSNAs (he does GC-MS testing for other vendors, so he does his own), and I would imagine any minor alkaloids would also require him to dispose of that batch--he's a stickler for for that sort of thing.
I get your stance and I do wrestle with it myself. I don't keep WTA for all day use, though some do; I keep mine for those times when I feel it's best. For instance, earlier this year I got stopped by the police and afterwards, I wanted to vape, but I was already so hyped up, a striaght-up stimulant was the last thing I wanted--I wish I had some WTA that day. LOL.
Of course that is a rarity, but I do like to take a couple puffs here and there (maybe 2x a day) and that, for me, will suffice.
I spent a few hours last night trying to find stains of tobacco with high alkaloid content and low nitrosamine content. They don't really have it arranged that way. Does anyone knows where this info could be reasonably found? The closest thing I saw was on a seed sellers website with nicotine ratings.
It doesn't really work like that. Does your friend have access to a GC-MS testing? You would ultimately have to see for yourself. Then again, like what I said to VM earlier, why not use snus? Your chemist friend could start there.
Check some of those links I posted earlier.
What's funny about that, is that sunscreen and sunblock actually tend to block the beneficial vitamin D from the sun (well, it's actually formed in your skin so that's not entirely accurate). You can get enough vitamin D from about 15-20 minutes of sun exposure. Also, don't get in from the sun and immediately shower- the prospect may be tempting, but the vitamin D you just formed on the outside of your skin is going to get washed off along with all the dirt.Speaking of carcinogens, it's a beautiful sunny day! I should go outside.
Anyhow...back to WTA.
I haven't purchased WTA in over a year, to be honest. I find that NETs keep me sated enough to not go back to the coffin nails nowadays, and if that fails, I enjoy a pinch of snus and take a seat for a little while. I still have to say that I would readily vape an e-liquid that was extracted from Jakobsson's Ice Mint portions. However, keeping Snus Snus keeps me happy enough. I haven't had to order more since my very first order (with the exception of a half-roll of General mint).
I keep getting opportunities to speak to people about NETs, e-cigarettes, and Snus. But because our state has a 45% tobacco tax imposed on top of the base pricing of any tobacco product, it tends to make a tin of portions much more expensive than dip- which I do not use.
It's surprising to see how many people have tried low-power cigarette style batteries or strawberry-banana-insert-something-that-isn't-tobacco-flavored liquid and failed, but then again I struggled greatly to keep my vaping and cravings in check until I found WTA, and then migrated to NET's with occasional snus'ing. It wasn't until I moved beyond my KGO to a Vision Spinner that I stopped having congestion problems (I had erroneously assumed this had to do with either the PG or VG for a while) and began to really enjoy vaping, and that only happened three months ago.
Also, talking about my success quitting analogs with vaping gives me an opportunity to recommend vendors for both equipment and e-liquid multiple times on a regular basis, which because it helps or can help someone is entirely worth it. Plus, it's inspiring to be able to give people hope- not just hope of freedom from outrageous cigarette prices, but from smoking all together.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't Longhorn or Timberwolf (I can't recall which is a swedish match product) fulfill the same requirements if snus is not available?
I believe all of the Swedish Match U.S.-Only products match their Swedish counterparts in one respect, especially- having 5ppm of TSNAs. Maybe this would be an avenue worth exploring if they could be obtained at a reasonable cost, or might work for preliminary tests of alkaloid content.
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Thanks for that post. I abandoned looking into snus because I felt too much like a noob again--I don't want to go back there! 
But, I think I will PM you and see about a specific brand and product.
Today has been one of those days when the baby has been on a marathon nap, so I have been able to vape at will; most days I barely can vape. Being able to use snus would be easy for the way my life is currently set-up. Snus in the day, vape at night.
But, I think I will PM you and see about a specific brand and product. Today has been one of those days when the baby has been on a marathon nap, so I have been able to vape at will; most days I barely can vape. Being able to use snus would be easy for the way my life is currently set-up. Snus in the day, vape at night.
I hope it's okay to interrupt and post a question to you guys who have experience in WTA. A little background of my WTA usage: I had ordered from Vapelicious 3 times. I found the ordering to be a hassle. Anyway, back to the question.
I seen a thread (vendor) Nakednicotine who claims they have WTA. Here is a snip from the site (I also asked on the thread.)
This is a ‘Whole Tobacco Extract (WTA)’ extracted from select fresh flue-cured tobacco leaves. Our absolute extraction process yields a flavor extract absent of nicotine, nitrosamines, diacetyl, and other harmful ingredients present in combusted tobacco
Is this a NET or WTA? Or? unknown?
I have to finish painting but will be back to check this thread later. Sorry about the post and run.
I seen a thread (vendor) Nakednicotine who claims they have WTA. Here is a snip from the site (I also asked on the thread.)
This is a ‘Whole Tobacco Extract (WTA)’ extracted from select fresh flue-cured tobacco leaves. Our absolute extraction process yields a flavor extract absent of nicotine, nitrosamines, diacetyl, and other harmful ingredients present in combusted tobacco
Is this a NET or WTA? Or? unknown?
I have to finish painting but will be back to check this thread later. Sorry about the post and run.
Too funny. How have you been, Bery? Still vaping WTA? I imagine that one issue was never resolved?
Sure sounds like a NET to me, marketed by someone with no clue about WTA and no business referring to it.
Sometimes I worry that the definition of WTA will be muddied by individuals tossing around the term with reckless disregard.
Still vaping WTA, still can't get anybody to recognize the difference between saying WTA is 'forbidden' vs. TBD. Still trying to fight SB648, becoming more astonished at the way the lawmakers think on a daily basis, went to the meeting of the Central Committee for the CA branch of a new political party and we all fit at one SMALL table in a pub with one chair left over.
Reorg at work, which is going to eat my free time and brain bandwidth.
How's the family?
Reorg at work, which is going to eat my free time and brain bandwidth.
How's the family?
Good. Thanks for asking.
After I posted that last message I went recent to your page and checked out some you activity--man, you are in the trenches. That's comforting. I applaud people like you that can get in there and mix it up on a political front--I can't do it. Tenacity, man.
Keep fighting and I wish you company.
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Good. Thanks for asking.
After I posted that last message I wentr recent to your page and checked out some you activity--man, you are in the trenches. That's comforting. I applaud people like you that can get in there and mix it up on a political front--I can't do it. Tenacity, man.
Just, when the fight gets to Michigan, write ONE letter. Please? Only one!
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