FDA Why Isn't Vaping the FDA Center for Tobacco Product's Biggest Ally?

[aikanae1]

That list is not very impressive. There are more e-cig vendors in California alone...

I don't know what they are waiting for, honestly.

That's always been the big question. I think customers worry more about a vape shops survival than the owner sometimes. In SFATA's defense is that it can take awhile to update the webpage. I think CASAA's membership has almost doubled in the last couple of months. However, I wonder how many shops are even aware there's a threat - and a lot of that question is based on what several people have reported about Calif. vendors. I know here, vendors are much more aware. So hopefully it's not like that everywhere.

Hmmm... I looked at the list again and I didn't see any local vendors, yet I know they are active and aware (donated heavily in the auction, members with vaping malitia, CASAA support, yada yada) so I wonder what's going on?

 

[Katya]

 

[Gato del Jugo]

I just sent the whole dam thing over again. If you misplace one little "comma", then you are prohibited from providing your concerns to the government that we pay for. I am understanding more and more why people are so sick of this government. That "hope & change" thing has worked miracles.

Not to turn this thread into a discussion of the American Revolutionary War (or the Prohibition), despite some parallels..


But keep in mind that Americans probably would have lost had they always played by the standard rules of European warfare of the time...

 

[Stosh]

Hmmm, this could work out, I'll mix the product, Tweety can be the gangster moll, and Kent the mouthpiece...

 

[Katya]

Hmmm, this could work out, I'll mix the product, Tweety can be the gangster moll, and Kent the mouthpiece...

Nah... I'll run a vape-easy establishment in California.

 

[Katya]

 

[Stosh]

Every decade or so, Americans become entranced by the same siren song that produced Prohibition. The song says, “If you ban it, it will go away.” It croons, “If we merely strip away our liberties, we’ll all be safer.” History has shown us that this siren song is dangerous.

HUNEYCUTT: Gun control lessons from Prohibition - Washington Times

 

[Jman8]

They have lots of new members (including ProVape (Provari), though they could be old, not sure):

SFATA

I remember when that list was 3 to 5 companies. Hard to imagine all those companies not surviving the new era. I hope they all do.

Aren't V2 (one of the) founders of SFATA?

 

[sonicdsl]

That list is not very impressive. There are more e-cig vendors in California alone...

I don't know what they are waiting for, honestly.

That's always been the big question. I think customers worry more about a vape shops survival than the owner sometimes. In SFATA's defense is that it can take awhile to update the webpage. I think CASAA's membership has almost doubled in the last couple of months. However, I wonder how many shops are even aware there's a threat - and a lot of that question is based on what several people have reported about Calif. vendors. I know here, vendors are much more aware. So hopefully it's not like that everywhere.

Hmmm... I looked at the list again and I didn't see any local vendors, yet I know they are active and aware (donated heavily in the auction, members with vaping malitia, CASAA support, yada yada) so I wonder what's going on?

I thought it looked really good, but then I was comparing to when I looked last week, when it was probably not more than half that size. I'm hoping it continues to update. I know there is work being done on a Northern California chapter, and probably others I haven't heard about yet.

In the meantime, we should all be encouraging vendors to join, along with encouraging them to talk about CASAA with their customers!

 

[sonicdsl]

I remember when that list was 3 to 5 companies. Hard to imagine all those companies not surviving the new era. I hope they all do.

Aren't V2 (one of the) founders of SFATA?

Honestly, I'm not sure if they (V2) are or not.... I'm sure SJ and/or others knows.

 

[Kent C]

Back to your regular scheduled program.....

 

[DC2]

Honestly, I'm not sure if they (V2) are or not.... I'm sure SJ and/or others knows.

I believe they are listed as VMR.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

I remember when that list was 3 to 5 companies. Hard to imagine all those companies not surviving the new era. I hope they all do.

Aren't V2 (one of the) founders of SFATA?

"During the 2012/2013 term, Andries served as President of the Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association (SFATA) of which VMR Products is a founding member."

J. Andries Verleur | VMR Products

 

[LDS714]

That's always been the big question. I think customers worry more about a vape shops survival than the owner sometimes. In SFATA's defense is that it can take awhile to update the webpage. I think CASAA's membership has almost doubled in the last couple of months. However, I wonder how many shops are even aware there's a threat - and a lot of that question is based on what several people have reported about Calif. vendors. I know here, vendors are much more aware. So hopefully it's not like that everywhere.

Hmmm... I looked at the list again and I didn't see any local vendors, yet I know they are active and aware (donated heavily in the auction, members with vaping malitia, CASAA support, yada yada) so I wonder what's going on?

SFATA would be more of interest to vendors who sell nationally at this point. Local mom & pop shops would probably be better served by local organizations along the same line. Not sure about other states, but I know Dimitri has started a state organization in Tennessee that is similar to SFATA but basically on the state level. If this can happen in other states, it could lead to a tiered approach possibly - state organization --> SFATA...
https://www.prod.facebook.com/tnsmokefree?ref=stream&fref=nf

 

[DeeLeeKay]

SFATA would be more of interest to vendors who sell nationally at this point. Local mom & pop shops would probably be better served by local organizations along the same line. Not sure about other states, but I know Dimitri has started a state organization in Tennessee that is similar to SFATA but basically on the state level. If this can happen in other states, it could lead to a tiered approach possibly - state organization --> SFATA...
https://www.prod.facebook.com/tnsmokefree?ref=stream&fref=nf

Things like this will help us get more organized nationally. It is important for the industry to have both CASAA(consumer interests) and SFATA(vendor interests).

 

[LDS714]

Things like this will help us get more organized nationally. It is important for the industry to have both CASAA(consumer interests) and SFATA(vendor interests).

If you're interested in doing something similar in PA (or any other state) I'm pretty sure that Dimitri would be happy to help.

 

[DeeLeeKay]

Hubby and I are thinking about it. Right now we are extremely busy. So we have to be careful with any new projects.

 

[aikanae1]

SFATA would be more of interest to vendors who sell nationally at this point. Local mom & pop shops would probably be better served by local organizations along the same line. Not sure about other states, but I know Dimitri has started a state organization in Tennessee that is similar to SFATA but basically on the state level. If this can happen in other states, it could lead to a tiered approach possibly - state organization --> SFATA...
https://www.prod.facebook.com/tnsmokefree?ref=stream&fref=nf

Do you know if Dimitri has written something up or done a broadcast on this specific topic? The only one I'm aware of was a broadcast but the idea was mentioned in passing, among a lot of other things. I'd like to post something in a couple of local forums just about organizing for vendors / why it benefits them. I know several belong to Vaping Malitia (personally) and it's possible they think that's enough.

 

[Jman8]

"During the 2012/2013 term, Andries served as President of the Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association (SFATA) of which VMR Products is a founding member."

J. Andries Verleur | VMR Products

As I am V2 patron and have been for more than 2 years, I kinda knew this and was asking half rhetorically, and half in vein of, "not really sure, need a little help here."

Which is interesting to me (that they are) because I recall them 2 years ago being like, "we welcome regulations." And have clearly established their business in mode of 'be prepared.'

Also interesting that the game now is 'be organized' and help each other to the nth degree to overcome onerous regulations. All that has to matter going forward, both during the fight together and the aftermath.

I look forward to our side winning.

 

[LDS714]

Do you know if Dimitri has written something up or done a broadcast on this specific topic? The only one I'm aware of was a broadcast but the idea was mentioned in passing, among a lot of other things. I'd like to post something in a couple of local forums just about organizing for vendors / why it benefits them. I know several belong to Vaping Malitia (personally) and it's possible they think that's enough.

I heard about it on Facebook, he was posting in several of the TN vapers groups.