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FlyingPiper

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While I am pretty happy with my blu and I feel it was a good start for me to learn about vaping. I would like something with a more substantial cart on it and a bit better battery life, though the USB battery passthrough will take care of the places where I extended vape, like my car and in front of the computer.

That is something that will come with some money and more research down the road. I hear about some ecigs vaping too hot and losing the flavors. I also like the convience and style of the charging case. The automatic batteries are a bit of a pain on a windy beach or some similar situation but less thought goes into the whole vaping process. And I'll admit that I love the blue light. No way it can be mistaken for smoking and I love the color blue
 

Jonmo1

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got to disagree...she's right it's 2-3.
actually I'm pretty sure it's physically impossible to get 10 into the little cup.

Eh look if you want to buy it go for it...they do honor their return policy(ironically its the only thing they are quick about to) Gives you 30 days to see for yourself.
Personally I couldnt get over the batteries only last 15 mins or so.

Are you guys vaping something other than Nicotine? :evil:
Seriously, I think you may be thinking of "Refilling" a Cart.

We all know that you can't completely suck a cart dry, even on the precious 510's. There's always some left in the cart.

This may be even more problematic with the Blu, but easily resolved with filler mods, PTB being my favorite.

Refilling a PTB modded cart I get 6-8 drops or so.
Filling a NEW unused PTB modded cart, I get 10 or 11.

This is just a terminoligy problem, but it leads to missinformation. Which is giving Blu a bad name.

The original quote was that it "HOLDS" 3 or 4 drops. Which is just not true.

It may be true that you only get 3 or 4 drops when refilling, but that is not the same thing.
 

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I can only speak for the KR8, because that is what I use. My cousin has a Blu - it's what got me started researching e-cigs in the first place. I went with a KR8 because of the convenience and ease of use. I'm not terribly impressed with Blu for several reasons - low battery life, lack of flavor options, lack of size and color options. I paid more for an all inclusive starter kit (89.50 from Vapor4Life), but I feel it was money well spent.

If I could address a few of your assumptions:

First, the Blu has a pack. The pack holds five cartridges and recharges your battery on the go. Since I'm gone about 11 hours a day, and smoke like a chimney while I'm away from home, I'm going to need something that will last.

It's not just Blu that offers PCCs. I have a PCC for my KR8s, and it works pretty nice. Since the batteries last longer there is less recharging that I need to do anyway! Also, cartomizers will hold more juice than a Blu cart, so you'll need less of them in the long run.

Second, the Blu has disposable cartridges. I never remember to fill my Zippo, and end up having to bum a light about once a week. If I forget to fill my e-cig, I'm stuck at work with no fix. The Blu has room for five spares, so if I run out of one, I have backups.

Again, cartos hold A LOT. I fill my own blank cartomizers, and I can routinely get 30+ drops into one carto. I've never heard of anyone being able to put that much into a Blu cart.

Third, the Blue has easily swapped disposable atomizers. I know damned well I'm going to blow one out at 10 in the morning when I have eight hours left to go before I can get home. At $5 each, I could destroy three a week and still be ahead of what I'm spending on Winstons.

KR8s don't need atomizers - they are built into the cartos. You pay a little more for cartos, but the atomizer is part of the cost, and it's one less thing to have worry about. Easy peasy!

Fourth, it looks like both the Joye 510 and the Kr8 have buttons to activate them, and without a case, I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up pushing that button with the side of my cell phone and burning out the whole thing. No button on the Blu, and even if there was, it's stored in a pack all day.

KR8s come in manual (with button) or automatic (without button). KR8 batts come short, regular, or extra long, in auto or manual, in a rainbow of colors. Blu doesn't. Just two colors, one length, and no option for manual should you want to try one (and you should, many prefer them). Aren't MORE options better than LESS?

Now, I haven't tried a Blu, and have no idea if there's a good hit or if it tastes like .... I can see tons of positive reviews for the Kr8 and the Joye 510, and I know where I can save a few bucks on the Joye. I don't want to drop the 60 clams on the Blu and then end up just going back to buy a Joye 510 anyway.

A lot of people here have expressed this exact regret. It's a kit that boxes you in and doesn't provide many options, and it doesn't perform as well as others. It's an attractive all-in-one starter kit for an attractive-looking price, but... getting started in e-cigs is an investment. Invest in quality up front and you won't be throwing money away on mistakes.

Can anyone tell me why Blu is way worse than Joye 510 or Kr8? Mostly I just want to know if the concerns I have, and my reasons for wanting the Blu, are justifiable or complete bunk.

The choice is yours, but I think you'll end up happier with a Joye or KR8. I lean toward the KR8 myself, but I'm prejudiced because I've had such a good experience with mine. Others have enjoyed their Joyes just as much. I think either is a better choice than Blu.
 

LoganTheDragon

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I love my blu, just mixed some 70% VG home-made Cherry juice and I get plenty of vapor and flavor it produces. I have heard the atomizers can die faster than a 510, but I have even dropped mine at my desk a few times and it has been just fine.

Mostly what I have gathered around here is that the blu isn't bad, especially if you are looking for a cigarette-sized super-mini PV... it just isn't the best, or what many prefer to use after they become more experienced vapers.

As I am just a newb myself, take my advice with a grain of salt I suppose...
 

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It's definately a cute, little thing. Actually gave the Blu a glance or two when I was first considering vaping. As a very heavy smoker (and vaper), a little research showed that it wouldn't satisfy my needs though. Might work fine to get you started though. You know what you need better then we do. For myself, I bought an eGo after over a month of research and haven't regretted it.
 

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If you're interested in the Blu, you might want to take a look at the Volcano instead. Volcano has a very good forum, good prices, and I've heard great customer service (I've never had a problem with any of my product, so that's from what I've heard, not from experience). I use both a Volcano, a Magma, and a Joye 510. I like my Volcano and use it daily along with the others. If you take it's size in to consideration and learn to mod your carts, I use blue foam, and carry a 3ml bottle of the flavor of the day, they do work. You do have to fill the carts more often because they are smaller. You do have to carry extra batteries because they are smaller too. With the juice I use, I think the flavor is better with the Volcano. With 70%PG/30%VG the vapor is great.

When I first got mine, if I hadn't been reading this forum (there are some good reviews on the Blu here too, not everyone here dislikes it) and the Volcano forum I would have been rather disappointed in it. It takes longer to break it in than a Joye 510 and the factory carts don't last very long at all. I think I was on day three before I started getting good vapor which happened to be the same day that I got the blue foam. You also can't really chain vape a Volcano as its smaller and it takes a little more time for the liquid to wick into the atty.

Out of the box a 510 will do a bit better and has a smaller learning curve, but the Volcano is workable too. I think most people that get into vaping and stay with it are going to end up with three or four different types of PV. The first one you get is going to be your learner, that's what is going to teach you what you really want to use. You will find things that you like about it and things that you don't like. By spending a little time with one in your hand and using it you will figure out what questions you should be asking and you will probably discover that your original expectations will change a lot. I started with both a Volcano and a Joye 510. I got the Volcano because it was the size of a cigarette and the Joye because that seems to be what everyone here says to start with. If I had it to do over, I'd start with a box mod like a Bartleby or make a Nicostik, but I'd probably still end up with all these other ones too, it'd just be changing the order that I got them in.

I'm vaping on a Volcano atty attached to a 510 PT and dipping homemade strawberry juice as I write this.
 

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I didn't see anyone addressing the button issue, so here goes:

the button is a momentary switch, meaning, the atty is only on as long as the switch is depressed. If your cell phone hits it for a second, no big deal.

Automatic batteries have problems cycling on and off in response to a plethora of situations. Vibrations and noise are the two big ones. A coworker has the volcano, and it turns on everytime he opens the pcc, picks it up, or sets it down.

The 510 has a pcc available, and also has various other non-charging cases that would protect against accidental operation.

Also, cartomizers are available (atomizer/cartridge combo) for the 510 as well. Turns the 3 piece design into a 2 piece. I hear they work really well, but have yet to try them.

Having tried the volcano, and the blu, I am unimpressed by both. Vapor production, IMO, was abysmal. There was barely any left when I exhaled, which is what the owners of both that I tried, confirmed. Neither of them use theirs anymore, preferring analog, citing extremely poor battery life. Too much hassle for them.
 

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I had a Blu and used it for a week with the stock setup; liked it, but didn't love it. Honestly, it was a good enough scam to keep me interested in ecigs, but looking back, I wish I would have done a lot more research and put that money towards something else. For the most part, I've kinda steered people in the direction of the eGo/Tornado since it gives off a much better first impression, IMO...
 

LoganTheDragon

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Also while I do thoroughly enjoy my Blu (l88b), Volcano does have faster shipping options and better customer service. I have already made two orders for some spare parts (as they are also l88b models, and the Magma is the 510).

Also, I would HIGHLY recommend checking this out from the stickies if you haven't already: e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/37186-great-info-new-members.html
(sorry I can't actually post links yet, I hope the MODs don't mind me cheating to put that in since I am linking to a stickied post here on ECF)

I find I have many of the same feelings in hindsight as this post, as like I said I do enjoy the Blu, but now I find myself looking for something even larger than the 510. Currently looking at the 902 from Modern Vapor. I like what I have heard about the pen-styles and realize now that size and "having to press a button" are not the same deciding factor I once thought they were. Hopefully that rambled mess didn't confuse =\
 

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i ordered two joye 510 complete cigs.. and a charger box...and a 30ml bottle of tabacco flavor.. high nicotine. i think it was 24 mg...all of this was for 58.00. the shipping was 6.99 now the downside.. it takes like twenty days to get here.. and they have horrid customer service... so next time im gonna buy something from cignot! happy vaping!
 

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Has everyone forgotten that the kr808 AND the 510 both come in automatic too? And you can get cartomizers that are cheap and you don't even have to worry about cartriges at that point at all. And the 510 has a charger pack too that holds all of what the blu holds and more. And the 510 has longer battery life - not to mention that if you decide to upgrade to something better - a mod, you can use all of your 510 stuff on that mod... With the blu, you can't. I rest my case!

One more thing... With the 510 you don't have to pick between 5 measly flavors, you can get any flavor you want literally. Blu has a bad selection. But tasty carts.

Prefilled carts/carts in general/blu = evil!
 

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While I am pretty happy with my blu and I feel it was a good start for me to learn about vaping. I would like something with a more substantial cart on it and a bit better battery life, though the USB battery passthrough will take care of the places where I extended vape, like my car and in front of the computer.

That is something that will come with some money and more research down the road. I hear about some ecigs vaping too hot and losing the flavors. I also like the convience and style of the charging case. The automatic batteries are a bit of a pain on a windy beach or some similar situation but less thought goes into the whole vaping process. And I'll admit that I love the blue light. No way it can be mistaken for smoking and I love the color blue

Almost every single ecig, has the blue light FlyingPiper!
 

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Has everyone forgotten that the kr808 AND the 510 both come in automatic too? And you can get cartomizers that are cheap and you don't even have to worry about cartriges at that point at all. And the 510 has a charger pack too that holds all of what the blu holds and more. And the 510 has longer battery life - not to mention that if you decide to upgrade to something better - a mod, you can use all of your 510 stuff on that mod... With the blu, you can't. I rest my case!

One more thing... With the 510 you don't have to pick between 5 measly flavors, you can get any flavor you want literally. Blu has a bad selection. But tasty carts.

Prefilled carts/carts in general/blu = evil!

No one's forgotten that they come in automatic, we just don't recommend them. They're USUALLY, a PITA. NOT the 'preferred' set up.

And, it doesn't really matter what comes in your pre-filled carts, you have to buy liquid anyway so...better to order empty carts and just put your own liquid in them directly..that way, you don't have to worry about 'rinsing' the pre-fill OUT of them.
 

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Has everyone forgotten that the kr808 AND the 510 both come in automatic too? And you can get cartomizers that are cheap and you don't even have to worry about cartriges at that point at all. And the 510 has a charger pack too that holds all of what the blu holds and more. And the 510 has longer battery life - not to mention that if you decide to upgrade to something better - a mod, you can use all of your 510 stuff on that mod... With the blu, you can't. I rest my case!

One more thing... With the 510 you don't have to pick between 5 measly flavors, you can get any flavor you want literally. Blu has a bad selection. But tasty carts.

Prefilled carts/carts in general/blu = evil!
I just wanted to point out that the 510 pcc does not hold what the blu pcc holds and more. the blu pcc holds one complete ecig, a battery and 5 carts or 4 carts and an atty. the 510 pcc holds 1 battery, 3 carts or 2 carts and an atty. I just wanted this to be clear.
 

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I just wanted to point out that the 510 pcc does not hold what the blu pcc holds and more. the blu pcc holds one complete ecig, a battery and 5 carts or 4 carts and an atty. the 510 pcc holds 1 battery, 3 carts or 2 carts and an atty. I just wanted this to be clear.

I agree, that is a HUGE advantage of Blu over 510 (and most others).
The PCC more than makes up for battery life.
I don't mind much the frequent refilling, and it's not as bad as everyone says. With the PTB mod, I can go a day with 6 prefilled carts (all held in the PCC). Maybe having to refill a cart twice in the day.
 

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The blue may be a "cool" pv and sure the pcc is great, but it doesnt perform well.. it really cant be compared to a joye 510. And from the research ive done, blu has terrible shipping (some waiting several months) just to get there order. And auto batteries are terrible. I ordered my joye 510 with one of each type of battery, and my auto rarely gets used, it just doesnt perform like a manual . The blu isnt a bad pv, but its a starter kit, thats all it is, theres no one thats going to use the blu as a primary device if they continue to vape regularly, it just isnt realistic.
 

Jonmo1

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I guess I'm no one..

And this will be like the 4th time I've said this in these forums.

I compared the Blu Side By Side with a 510B disposable.
No one here has disputed my assumption that the Vapor produced by the 510B is the same as the vapor from an actual 510....Soo.....

I saw no difference in vapor between the Blu and 510B.
Nothing that made me say things like
"holy cow, this so much better.."
"I must be stupid getting Blu instead of this"
 
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