Check out the volcano magma. A little more expensive, but afaik, it is a 510. The volcano v series is just a rebadged blu, the magma is a step up.
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Well I'm not going to call anyone stupid. Just to clarify though. I did try a 510 disposable last weekend and the vapor production was not very good at all. It was actually terrible. I have an eGo and really for an out of the box system (in other words not counting mods) I think it is really very hard to beat.
Lot's of people come in here with lots of preconceived ideas about what they want. We all pretty much had the same ideas. Many of us found out that the things we thought were important to us became unimportant when we found out that those things were compromises that really diminished the pleasure that can come from a good vape experience. Things like:
Want it to look like a cigarette = crappy battery life
want it to turn on automatically = inconsistent performance and unwanted activation
want to use the carts that the manufacturer promises are the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes = well this one is just pure bunk and we've all found that out.
I think folks are just trying to help someone not make the same mistakes that we feel we made. If you like the blu, then great and you are not stupid for liking it. I haven't tried it, but if it compares to the 510 disposable I tried, I wouldn't like it and would be unhappy that I had spent the money on it.
I started with a smokestik and with the right carto's it's ok. With refilling the carto's it is much better, but I still like my eGo much better still.
Just for the record,
I, too, jonmo, prefer the l88b to the 510, but we are in the minority on these boards.
I would recommend the Volcano instead of the Blu, though, simply for the customer service. The first e-cig I ordered was the Blu; they took my money and then I waited ... and waited ... and waited. Finally, I got an email saying the kit was backordered and would be available in about 4 weeks. Meanwhile, I found the Volcano site, ordered a starter kit, and received it in 3 days!!!
I've been vaping now for about three months and I've tried the l88b, the M401, and the 510. My very favorite is the M401, but I love my little super mini Volcano. I have a black with a blue light and a white with a really cool green light. The charging pack is so convenient and I can easily carry everything I need for all day.
I finally got my Blu and can't tell the difference with the Volcano. Both give me great vapor and a sweet hit. None of them is the same as smoking an analog, however; the "learning curve" factor is important. If you are prepared for vaping to be a different experience than smoking, you will be fine. My first e-cig was enough for me to KNOW I could quit smoking -- something I had never believed in my heart after decades of trying to quit. I've now been smoke-free for 97 days -- longer than I've been without a cigarette in over 40 years!
The 510 I have is neither a Magma nor an eGo. I bought it after I first discovered this site but before I was smart enough to learn which vendors to trust for quality products. I was trying to save a few bucks and after everything I had read about the 510 , I was very disappointed. I expect I got an inferior model.
But I really don't feel the need to try another because I am really satisfied with what I have now.
I, too, jonmo, prefer the l88b to the 510, but we are in the minority on these boards.
I would recommend the Volcano instead of the Blu, though, simply for the customer service. The first e-cig I ordered was the Blu; they took my money and then I waited ... and waited ... and waited. Finally, I got an email saying the kit was backordered and would be available in about 4 weeks. Meanwhile, I found the Volcano site, ordered a starter kit, and received it in 3 days!!!
I've been vaping now for about three months and I've tried the l88b, the M401, and the 510. My very favorite is the M401, but I love my little super mini Volcano. I have a black with a blue light and a white with a really cool green light. The charging pack is so convenient and I can easily carry everything I need for all day.
I finally got my Blu and can't tell the difference with the Volcano. Both give me great vapor and a sweet hit. None of them is the same as smoking an analog, however; the "learning curve" factor is important. If you are prepared for vaping to be a different experience than smoking, you will be fine. My first e-cig was enough for me to KNOW I could quit smoking -- something I had never believed in my heart after decades of trying to quit. I've now been smoke-free for 97 days -- longer than I've been without a cigarette in over 40 years!
The 510 I have is neither a Magma nor an eGo. I bought it after I first discovered this site but before I was smart enough to learn which vendors to trust for quality products. I was trying to save a few bucks and after everything I had read about the 510 , I was very disappointed. I expect I got an inferior model.
But I really don't feel the need to try another because I am really satisfied with what I have now.
I have a friend with the Blu, she let me try it yesterday just so I could compare it to my joye 510. I will still take my 510, hands down in vapor production, flavor, and th. And, so would she, now that she tried mine. I have purple lights and blue lights on my batteries. Have never run the battery down having it in my pocketbook, possibly accidentally hitting the button with the tons of things I have rolling around in there. However, I will say, it is all about personal preference and some people just prefer one thing over another. I would not presume to believe that just because I like my 510, that someone else would not like a Blu.
I never tried the 510 disposable But I now have a regular Joye 510. I started buying some 510 cartomizers and a 510 PT to use with my blu,( they have the same threading) So I did notice the 510 performed more to my liking and was more of what I was looking for. The 510 atty I was using was a Boge and I thought it was crap. The Joye 510 atty's I have now are much better. MOst of the "problems" people have with blu are the same "problems" people have with any other super mini. ie short cart life and short battery life. These issues are due to size.. not quality of the product. The blu attys seem to work much better on a PT they seem to take a while to get hot, But I think thats better than getting too hot and getting no flavor. I bought Joye 306 atty to boost performance on my blu and found that it vaped great, but all juices had no flavor. the 510 Cartomizers worked well on the blu bit they looked funny because they are thicker and it cut the battery life down as well. as carts go, I think they all suck. My 510 carts are really no better than the blu carts, they don't hold much and and usually have 3/4 left when atty starts to taste dry. So it all depends on your needs and what works for you. If you want less fuss, a carto is a great way to go. I hear very good things about the KR808.
Good luck on your decision.
Just tested the blu carts I got in last week with a 1mL syringe, and without any filler it holds approx .36mL of fluid. That is a good 6-7 drops or maybe even a couple more with a good cart mod. So it seems they have indeed changed their inner carts a bit. I do have some Volcano attys on the way as well with a pass-thru (which as many have already stated but I will anyway, is yes compatible with the blu / l88b). YAY no worries if my batts are charged while in front of the computer!
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You guys are awesome. Thank you so much to everyone who offered an opinion. I've decided to go with the 510. The place I'll order Friday has the PCC for the 510, so if I need it later, I can get it.
I can't wait to switch brands.
I can't wait to switch brands.
i suggest you get some 510 threaded cartomizers for your blu, they screw right into your battery, they fit in the slots for the blu pack, and they will last you DAYS (especially on the blu battery). Also cartomizers are refillable so you will keep costs way down. they go for $6.75 for 5 cartomizers and trust me, you won't need to buy more for maybe half a year if you use them properly.
I recommend litecigusa, i get them there for cheap
I recommend litecigusa, i get them there for cheap
let us know how it works out for you!my blu dosen't last nearly as long as my 510.. even without the 510 pcc, 2 batteries last me all day and the blu even with the nice pack will leave you high and dry after about half a day of good vaping. as soon as one battery is fresh the other is dead with the blu. I still have my blu, but for reasons apart from it lasting.
Are you guys vaping something other than Nicotine?
Seriously, I think you may be thinking of "Refilling" a Cart.
We all know that you can't completely suck a cart dry, even on the precious 510's. There's always some left in the cart.
This may be even more problematic with the Blu, but easily resolved with filler mods, PTB being my favorite.
Refilling a PTB modded cart I get 6-8 drops or so.
Filling a NEW unused PTB modded cart, I get 10 or 11.
This is just a terminoligy problem, but it leads to missinformation. Which is giving Blu a bad name.
The original quote was that it "HOLDS" 3 or 4 drops. Which is just not true.
It may be true that you only get 3 or 4 drops when refilling, but that is not the same thing.
Do you work for blu?
Because we aint talking about the same ecig.
I took my pcc apart last night to get the charging board to use on a mod im building... For me it was a waist of money... At least I got a useful part the charging board.... probally purchase some more PCC packs from blu just for my mod parts... Its pretty really pretty.. The video review says it all.. sorry
If you want poor performance
If you want to swap batteries every 20-30mins
then blu is for you... but not for me.
Do you work for blu?
Because we aint talking about the same ecig.
I took my pcc apart last night to get the charging board to use on a mod im building... For me it was a waist of money... At least I got a useful part the charging board.... probally purchase some more PCC packs from blu just for my mod parts... Its pretty really pretty.. The video review says it all.. sorry
If you want poor performance
If you want to swap batteries every 20-30mins
then blu is for you... but not for me.
The blu's battery life is no different than any other super mini. You are just someone that needs a PV connected to a fist full of batteries or plugged in. i get it that many people weren't happy with blu for whatever reasons they have. but at least be honest and not exaggerate how it performs. My only gripe was not enough vapor. All carts suck and most batteries never last as long as we would like them.
The 306 is an outstanding little atomizer.
But I've never tried a Blu so I can't say if they are the same.
Do you work for blu?
Because we aint talking about the same ecig.
I took my pcc apart last night to get the charging board to use on a mod im building... For me it was a waist of money... At least I got a useful part the charging board.... probally purchase some more PCC packs from blu just for my mod parts... Its pretty really pretty.. The video review says it all.. sorry
If you want poor performance
If you want to swap batteries every 20-30mins
then blu is for you... but not for me.
Why, do you work for Joyetech? Want to trade company secrets?
No, I don't work for Blu.
I'm just a guy that used to smoke a pack a day for 23 years.
Now thanks to my Blu, I haven't smoked for over 38 days.
So I'm just standing up for Blu and correcting these GROSS exaggerations.
Cart holds 3-4 Drops....That is just not even close to true.
I get 10 Drops plus my PTB filler.
Changing batteries every 20-30 minutes....Again, not even close to true.
At most, 12 battery cycles in a day, at most. Probably more like 8 or 10.
Awake 16 hours. If it's 12 batteries a day, that's 80 minutes per battery.
Now I will grant you, that Blu is probably the worst of all PVs at Battery and Cart life. Duh, it's also the smallest. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But they are nowhere near as bad as the Blubashers make it out to be.
The Blu's pros make up for those shortcomings.
PCC holds complete ecig, can't do that with the 510.
PCC also holds 2nd battery and 5 carts (or 4 carts and extra atty).
It's size makes it great for Stealth Vaping.
Many peope like their Ecig to look/feel like a real cigarette. And Blu is one of the best at that.
I know many people also don't care about that, but it doesn't make the product bad.
By the way, I just tested with Water from a 10ML bottle.
Empty Blu Cart holds 11 drops of water (no filler).
Empty 510 Cart holds 15 drops of water (no filler).
Yes, 510 holds more, but not like "Holy crap, this is HUGE".
Only about 35% more.
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Most "bashed" electronic cigarettes are not as bad as bashers make them out to be.
The problem is... automatic batteries.
If you start with automatic batteries, you'll very likely have trouble.
It doesn't matter which model it is.
Jonmo1, don't get too worked up about this. The Blu/Volcano/L88B is a good PV and has satisfied a lot of people or the company(s) wouldn't be there anymore. Blu bashing is just a sport to a lot of the people on this site. There's a thread in the Blu forum http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blu-electronic-cigarettes/67500-am-i-only-one-rant.html that explains a lot of the hate here.
For the record, I do use multiple other PV and the Blu is not what I started with, so I didn't get hit with the upfront learning curve that a lot of new users do.
One of the reasons that I came here is that in most cases, most of the people here want to help new people get comfortable and successful with vaping. For some reason most people here are willing to help with just about any device other than the Blu instead of taking the attitude that what ever that person is using he needs help with it.
I think a lot of the Blu bashers have forgotten that they had to start somewhere too. Many of them aren't using the exact same device that they started with, they used that to learn and got a better device. Most of these people will too. We all think that we can say "don't make the mistake that I made" but we forget that we are all smokers trying to become ex-smokers. We've already made that mistake. Now we're all trying to get out of that hole. Why would anyone in their right mind try to put out the light of hope that someone has seen? Why is it more important that you push your opinion of the "perfect" device on someone that just wants to get started.
They also need to remember that every time they say that the Blu/Volcano/Sideshow/L88B is trash, they are insulting all the people that quit smoking because of them. If they don't believe it they should check out Blu's or Volcano's forums. If you think that many people aren't telling the truth, then how many people here are telling the truth?
I don't work for Blu, Volcano, or any of the Chinese companies that make these. I've just been doing this for a while, much longer than I've been watching this board.
For the record, I do use multiple other PV and the Blu is not what I started with, so I didn't get hit with the upfront learning curve that a lot of new users do.
One of the reasons that I came here is that in most cases, most of the people here want to help new people get comfortable and successful with vaping. For some reason most people here are willing to help with just about any device other than the Blu instead of taking the attitude that what ever that person is using he needs help with it.
I think a lot of the Blu bashers have forgotten that they had to start somewhere too. Many of them aren't using the exact same device that they started with, they used that to learn and got a better device. Most of these people will too. We all think that we can say "don't make the mistake that I made" but we forget that we are all smokers trying to become ex-smokers. We've already made that mistake. Now we're all trying to get out of that hole. Why would anyone in their right mind try to put out the light of hope that someone has seen? Why is it more important that you push your opinion of the "perfect" device on someone that just wants to get started.
They also need to remember that every time they say that the Blu/Volcano/Sideshow/L88B is trash, they are insulting all the people that quit smoking because of them. If they don't believe it they should check out Blu's or Volcano's forums. If you think that many people aren't telling the truth, then how many people here are telling the truth?
I don't work for Blu, Volcano, or any of the Chinese companies that make these. I've just been doing this for a while, much longer than I've been watching this board.
I liked my blu, until a few days ago when everything stopped working but the PCC. One week to the day after the 30 day money back guarantee was up. The one year warranty covers the PCC (which still works) and batteries...but those are useless without atomizers /frown
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