Why people are so excited about 30w?
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VW devices provide a constant voltage and thus a consistent hit every time it's fired, whereas mechs have a drop in voltage over time. Plus regulated devices have the ability to change the power on the fly rather than having to change out coils. For example, my dessert flavored e-liquids don't vape very well at 30W, but my fruit e-liquids do. If I want to go back and forth, I either need to rebuild, or have another atty with the resistance I need. Most APVs also have the ability to check atty resistance without having to break out the multimeter or seperate ohm meter.
I would never run anything less than an RDA at over 15W. Clearos, cartos, etc just aren't efficient enough to have an enjoyable vape at high wattage.
APVs are just overall more convenient, but most devices only went up to 15W until kinda recently. Then came the DNA20, DNA30, and etc chips which leveled the playing field when it came to high-powered vaping.
Personally though, I can't justify the high price for these devices. Though APVs are more convenient, I'll stick to mechs if it means saving a couple hundred dollars.
I would never run anything less than an RDA at over 15W. Clearos, cartos, etc just aren't efficient enough to have an enjoyable vape at high wattage.
APVs are just overall more convenient, but most devices only went up to 15W until kinda recently. Then came the DNA20, DNA30, and etc chips which leveled the playing field when it came to high-powered vaping.
Personally though, I can't justify the high price for these devices. Though APVs are more convenient, I'll stick to mechs if it means saving a couple hundred dollars.
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The Hana clone may very well be the initial ripple of a tidal wave of affordable regulated current MODs from China. Also, the SXxxx family of chips work GREAT, and they can be had for well under $100. By year's end we'll have a good number of good performing regulated MODs at good price points. If the DNA chips don't come down in price in order to compete with the cloned chips and the new Chinese originals, Evolv is looking at not being able to evolve. It's tough for a consumer to choose a DNA chip if I can buy an entire MOD that performs equally as well for less.
People vaping high wattage at low ohms aren't using clearomizers, off the shelf clearos, cartos ect aren't built for it. RBAs with the right build are used and use thicker wire, better airflow and wicks that allow for more juice flow, some are doing dual and quad coil also.
If you're happy with your clearos stick with it but if you do venture in to RBAs you'll probably be looking for a higher wattage device sooner or later.
If you're happy with your clearos stick with it but if you do venture in to RBAs you'll probably be looking for a higher wattage device sooner or later.
The answers have already been said, but some might not be aware that there has been much talk about how evolve has teamed up with some china mod manufactures to incorporate there chip in them. However when asked about it there was no comment. A certain china clone has a "what looks identical" evolve dna chip in it, however the name on the chips are sanded off... Makes you wonder, are the US chunks of aluminum worth the $250+ price tag because they have a $35 chip set? 
The answers have already been said, but some might not be aware that there has been much talk about how evolve has teamed up with some china mod manufactures to incorporate there chip in them. However when asked about it there was no comment. A certain china clone has a "what looks identical" evolve dna chip in it, however the name on the chips are sanded off... Makes you wonder, are the US chunks of aluminum worth the $250+ price tag because they have a $35 chip set?
Iirc
evolv did deny working with China on DNA clones
For what it's worth, I have been thoroughly enjoying having a 30 watt regulated mod and haven't yet ventured into mechs at all, and I honestly don't feel the need to. I actually went for a DNA30 mod because it allowed me to get into RBAs/RDAs while having some additional safety mechanisms built in.
Right now I'm running a .5 ohm setup at 30 watts with an RDA (fires at 4.2 volts, as a fully-charged battery in a mech would) and it's fantastic. And you get the same amazing performance across the entire life of the battery, as opposed to the diminishing performance you'd see on a mech. I know that you can get much, much crazier in terms of wattage and ultra-low resistance setups on mechs, but for me, 30 watts is plenty at this point and provides a very satisfying vape.
Right now I'm running a .5 ohm setup at 30 watts with an RDA (fires at 4.2 volts, as a fully-charged battery in a mech would) and it's fantastic. And you get the same amazing performance across the entire life of the battery, as opposed to the diminishing performance you'd see on a mech. I know that you can get much, much crazier in terms of wattage and ultra-low resistance setups on mechs, but for me, 30 watts is plenty at this point and provides a very satisfying vape.
Ive been happy with my MVP but i do want at least a 20 or 22watt capable for my next VW device. Im not sure i would ever really need a 30watt (or even 20 for that matter) but if i do, i will probably look at the 26650 VW mods instead. I dont already have 18650 batteries or a charger and it will just be for at home use with RDAs. Might as well have a beast if portability isn't an issue.
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I rarely go over 16.5 watts @ .9 ohms. Gives me a nice 4.2 volt vape for the entire battery which is impossible on a mech mod.
It's kinda funny to watch everyone jump on the DNA30 only to try and wrap a .3-.4 ohm coil then wonder why it doesn't perform like a mech mod. Even funnier that they end up selling it......
It's kinda funny to watch everyone jump on the DNA30 only to try and wrap a .3-.4 ohm coil then wonder why it doesn't perform like a mech mod. Even funnier that they end up selling it......
Evolv hasn't helped by stating that the chip can fire down to .3Ω either. In real world usage, a DNA can't do it. Mostly because it doesn't have step-down circuitry (it can't fire at voltages much below the actual charge of the battery regardless of what wattage it's set at), and a .3Ω atty needs to get down to 3v, which is .2v below where the DNA cuts off in order to protect the battery.
DNA boards are very competitive with the China options, and are actually cheaper than the SX chip.
The DNA30 can fire coils in the .35 ohm+ range. They can fire quite a bit below the battery charge level. However it's not good practice to wrap coils that low for DNA boards, there is no reason to and several reasons not to.
30w regulated only make sense to me with 0.6 ohm and higher,
0.4 ohm for example will start around 40w and will go down to 30w when the battery is almost dead.
Is there any regulated mod that provide 40w or more, other than the grand innovation gi2 ?
0.4 ohm for example will start around 40w and will go down to 30w when the battery is almost dead.
Is there any regulated mod that provide 40w or more, other than the grand innovation gi2 ?
Quite a few but they are either small boutique types or custom.
the Axis comes to mind, vv wooden box that approaches 80w
This may well be the reason that the Vapor Shark DNA30 is programmed not to fire with any resistance below .5 ohms. The VS is the only DNA30 device I'm aware of that operates this way.
As some have already said, the high cost of dna30/dna20 devices is not evolve, its those manufactures.... I think I read you can order 100 dna20 chips for about $20/ea and the dna30 is only slightly higher ($1 or $2)..... thats not where the $250+ price tags are coming from.
The manufactures were getting a premium price because no one was mass producing dna mods, thats going to change now..... other chip makers are in the game, at competitive prices... china is going to eventually roll these things out by the boat loads sooner or later.
I wouldn't buy a genuine hana right now for more than $100... why would I? the clones will be essentially identical for 1/3 to 1/4 the price... seen all the hana's recently in the classifieds??? I wonder why that is.............
I think some of the manufactures should have taken the walmart approach to building devices long ago... hire a china company to knock out a thousand or so aluminum boxes or tubes or whatever, have $10 each in the case (or whatever), build em over here and sell them for $99 or so and make $30 to $50 each and sell thousands of them instead of making $170 ea on a $250 mod and sell 200 of them...
.......... I dunno, maybe I'm wrong?
The manufactures were getting a premium price because no one was mass producing dna mods, thats going to change now..... other chip makers are in the game, at competitive prices... china is going to eventually roll these things out by the boat loads sooner or later.
I wouldn't buy a genuine hana right now for more than $100... why would I? the clones will be essentially identical for 1/3 to 1/4 the price... seen all the hana's recently in the classifieds???
I wonder why that is.............I think some of the manufactures should have taken the walmart approach to building devices long ago... hire a china company to knock out a thousand or so aluminum boxes or tubes or whatever, have $10 each in the case (or whatever), build em over here and sell them for $99 or so and make $30 to $50 each and sell thousands of them instead of making $170 ea on a $250 mod and sell 200 of them...
.......... I dunno, maybe I'm wrong?
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As some have already said, the high cost of dna30/dna20 devices is not evolve, its those manufactures.... I think I read you can order 100 dna20 chips for about $20/ea and the dna30 is only slightly higher ($1 or $2)..... thats not where the $250+ price tags are coming from.
The manufactures were getting a premium price because no one was mass producing dna mods, thats going to change now..... other chip makers are in the game, at competitive prices... china is going to eventually roll these things out by the boat loads sooner or later.
I wouldn't buy a genuine hana right now for more than $100... why would I? the clones will be essentially identical for 1/3 to 1/4 the price... seen all the hana's recently in the classifieds???
I think some of the manufactures should have taken the walmart approach to building devices long ago... hire a china company to knock out a thousand or so aluminum boxes or tubes or whatever, have $10 each in the case (or whatever), build em over here and sell them for $99 or so and make $30 to $50 each and sell thousands of them instead of making $170 ea on a $250 mod and sell 200 of them...
Never underestimate the premium out in exclusivity.
Even if Hanas and the clones are identical in performance, there are those who would still but the Hana because it's a generally rare thing. Others think clones are bad, but those are people with too much money in their wallet.
I buy both clones and originals (mostly of MODs that haven't been cloned). Both have their place. Clones are road warriors. My expensive copper originals will likely never sniff fresh air again.
I plan to use the balls out of the Hana clone.
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It's for those people who current drip at 20 to 30 watts.
Now they can drip at 20 to 30 watts at various ohms they can experiment with. They can put more surface area in.
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