Why Vaping Might Fail... (Manufacturers, Distributors please note)
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There are a lot of confusing "hobby's" in life and most of them involve learning some sort of jargon. For example, I only know enough about computers to get onto this forum and google things... because I'm just not very interested. I don't know what dvd stands for, I don't know what "ram, rom, dvr, cdrom, jpeg, etc...etc...etc..." what any of that means. I can't hear the difference between a cassette tape and a cd either. I also can't tell the difference between HDTV and plain old TV....
All I know is the e-cigs are probably going to save my life, this makes them very interesting to me.
All I know is the e-cigs are probably going to save my life, this makes them very interesting to me.
add: and yet despite the jargon involved, computers and entertainment systems seem to do quite well on the open market. 
I reject the posters premise and I've been vaping for 8 months on and off. The good thing about forums is getting different angles on things.
Yep cigarettes are easier. You want what you use to replace them to be just as easy. Okay, go on the patch, chew the gum, take chantix. Those are as good as they are ever going to get. If they don't work for you and you want to go to vaping you need to understand that this is very new technology. It's not as good as it's ever going to get. If you want to vape, you're pretty much like a late fifties early sixties hi-fi nut. There's something better than what you have coming out every month. You gotta have the best, you're gonna spend the money. You want to stay with what you got, get a basic 510 or 808 set up. They will probably be around a while. How long has the Joye 510 been around? How about the Kr-808-d1? These things were developed just 8 years ago. Cigarettes were developed 100 years ago and it took around 200 years to go from the pipe to the cigarette. Sorry, your expectations aren't reasonable.
How many times has someone posted here with an issue with their pv and people told them it's junk and to get X,Y,Z?
Here's a perfect example- this person is having problems with their new battery and they're looking for something compatable that might fit.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/172325-best-501-battery.html
It's frusting if you're new and just spent money and don't know 100% what your doing. No one here remembers what that feels like?
Awesome quote hehe! Yes perfect!
Now the thing to keep in mind is that a 'hi-fi' system used to cost stupid amounts of money (relative to wages back then) and wow yeah that was a big complicated thing right up until the 80s and even into the 90s it seems.
Hehe.. perfect comparison (thought I wasn't born then I keep thinking of older uncles who STILL go on about it.).
I keep thinking of that movie "What the hell is 'Hi Fi' anyways?" "well.. you see.. its the Highest Fidelity you can get!". Classic!
A bunch of incompatible, yet functional parts? Here's a quick and easy answer. Battery adapters. They are out there, and super cheap. Good Prophets (just an example; I've used them and they were fine) carries them for 99 cents each. Many other vendors do, too. For 5 bucks or so plus shipping, I bet your friend could have a few functional PVs in no time flat.
Too much trouble? Cigarettes are easier? Well, ask your friend later on when s/he's coping with a diagnosis of COPD, emphysema, or God forbid cancer, how much easier it is. It's all about motivation. I'd rather deal with a few more technical details in order to NOT smoke analogs than become seriously ill.
Too much trouble? Cigarettes are easier? Well, ask your friend later on when s/he's coping with a diagnosis of COPD, emphysema, or God forbid cancer, how much easier it is. It's all about motivation. I'd rather deal with a few more technical details in order to NOT smoke analogs than become seriously ill.
I was lucky enough to start out with V2cigs, and then V4L. Both of these places only sell 808 based batteries and carts, which meant that all my 'stuff' was interchangeable. Now, three months later, I've got a few 510s and 4081 batteries and cartos, so I've branched out a bit more. Ive also gotten into refilling my cartos, mostly to save some $$.
I tried some that cart and atty vapes, but dont like the hassle of a three piece unit.
The 808 is still my main (and favorite) vape, and i'm pretty much done with experimenting. I'm quite happy to just buy 808 cartos and fluids now (although I still fill and puff on some of the 510 and 4081 cartos on occasion).
I think if someone keeps it simple with a supplier that only deals in one style unit, it's not too hard to stay analog free.
I tried some that cart and atty vapes, but dont like the hassle of a three piece unit.
The 808 is still my main (and favorite) vape, and i'm pretty much done with experimenting. I'm quite happy to just buy 808 cartos and fluids now (although I still fill and puff on some of the 510 and 4081 cartos on occasion).
I think if someone keeps it simple with a supplier that only deals in one style unit, it's not too hard to stay analog free.
This situation (compatibility issues) is not unique to vaping. I quilt, using 3 different makes of sewing machine, and accessories are not interchangeable between them. If I want to buy replacement bobbins or feet for my machines, it is up to me to figure out what kind I need and buy the parts that will work. While it can be frustrating at times, having the foot that I want, but not for the machine I want to use, it certainly isn't going to stop me from quilting. Because I quilt because I WANT to, not because it's super easy and convenient.
The same goes for vaping IMO, it may not be super convenient, not all parts are compatible with all others, but I do it because I WANT to. For me, it's worth the hassle. I think it's about priorities. My priority is not smoking, and the effort I put into learning about vaping, and making sure I have the supplies I need, is much easier for me than not smoking without vaping (cold turkey, patch, gum, etc). I want to not smoke, I really don't care how much easier smoking was. Because really, I'd rather work at vaping than at breathing. Plus, the fact that I've started vaping and stopped smoking has made my parents incredibly happy. That actually adds to my motivation to keep going.
But I do understand that other peoples priorities are not the same as mine, and if ease and convenience are up at the top of the list...
I guess it's just like everything else in the world, it's not for everyone. To each their own.
The same goes for vaping IMO, it may not be super convenient, not all parts are compatible with all others, but I do it because I WANT to. For me, it's worth the hassle. I think it's about priorities. My priority is not smoking, and the effort I put into learning about vaping, and making sure I have the supplies I need, is much easier for me than not smoking without vaping (cold turkey, patch, gum, etc). I want to not smoke, I really don't care how much easier smoking was. Because really, I'd rather work at vaping than at breathing. Plus, the fact that I've started vaping and stopped smoking has made my parents incredibly happy.
That actually adds to my motivation to keep going. But I do understand that other peoples priorities are not the same as mine, and if ease and convenience are up at the top of the list...
I guess it's just like everything else in the world, it's not for everyone. To each their own.
That's classic!
Wonderful quote! Now THAT'S a signature line if I ever heard one, perfectly said!
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A lot of great responses here but I think you may very well have called it. It comes down to how much money we will spend (or they can make us spend). I think you got it.
I haven't looked too hard, there may be, but I haven't seen a thread where a machinist or at least a good mechanic has actually broken down what the differences are between the types of connections between different batteries and attys I am sure its mostly a matter of screw pitch and diameter. I do know there are adapters available and I have seen RCA connectors made to fit different types of connections. But I would like to know what the differences are. If there is more than just the threads that are different I think that should be pointed out, maybe that would make identifying different compatible parts easier to recognize.
I spent roughly 60 dollars so far. I'm pretty happy. It's a straightforward process if you have guidance and don't just jump into something that can be simple if you did some research.
I feel bad for that guy though, it sucks. I think that it might go mainstream if all the junk distributors give up and stop taking advantage of customers.
I feel bad for that guy though, it sucks. I think that it might go mainstream if all the junk distributors give up and stop taking advantage of customers.
All parts are easily identifiable. If I use a pv that has a 510 connection thread and I go to buy a carto or an atty, every site I've gone to identifies the various cartos/attys by thread type so I would look for the ones that state 510. Now if I have a 510 pv but want to try a 901 atty/carto , I would then buy an adapter that says 510-901 adapter along with it. I then screw the adapter into my pv, then the carto/atty. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe there are sites I have not gone to that do not give this necessary info, but I fail to see why this compatibility issue is difficult for some!
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Also, it is partial to blame for all the technical mumbo jumbo that veterans talk. If everything wasn't abbreviated it would be a lot easier to understand.
It took me hours to figure out what everyone was saying....example:
"With my VP I get massive TH with 40%PV and 60%VG. The 510 atty is low resistance and works well when building your own D.I.Y. eJuice. Cartos will be better on the 510 when getting TH"
When I read stuff like this about 2 weeks ago I was seriously like WTF?
It would be much easier to explain without all that crap.
I'm still having trouble deciphering the abbreviations.
With a cigarette.. Its' a cigarette and a lighter/matches
With an electric cigarette.. It's PG,VG,Atty,Carto,Cart,Battery,Filler,Mods,LR,PV,510,1000mah, ect.
It's really complicated for someone who doesn't know much. And like I said, it's still hard for me sometimes. It's easy for someone to get overwhelmed and give up.
That's just my 2 cents.
It took me hours to figure out what everyone was saying....example:
"With my VP I get massive TH with 40%PV and 60%VG. The 510 atty is low resistance and works well when building your own D.I.Y. eJuice. Cartos will be better on the 510 when getting TH"
When I read stuff like this about 2 weeks ago I was seriously like WTF?
It would be much easier to explain without all that crap.
I'm still having trouble deciphering the abbreviations.
With a cigarette.. Its' a cigarette and a lighter/matches
With an electric cigarette.. It's PG,VG,Atty,Carto,Cart,Battery,Filler,Mods,LR,PV,510,1000mah, ect.
It's really complicated for someone who doesn't know much. And like I said, it's still hard for me sometimes. It's easy for someone to get overwhelmed and give up.
That's just my 2 cents.
I believe there used to be a sticky thread in the new member forum that explained the different terms. Also, if you see a squiggle line under an abbreviation just put your mouse cursor over it and the word comes up.(or at least it used to, won't show up on my phone and I think I stopped noticing it on my pc once I knew what they were and wasn't dependent on looking for the squiggles.)
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I just looked on all my batteries, my PT, all my chargers, and a few cartos, and absolutely nothing has a make or model number on it to identify what model/style it is or is for. So if you have some equipment, and ordered something that you thought would work but didn't, how do you know what kind of adapter you need? How do you know where to find an adapter? How are you supposed to know anyone makes adapters?
For people who "got into" vaping or found a forum like this, it seems like a no-brainer, but for an average joe-blow, it's all an impossible mess.
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