Why Vaping Might Fail... (Manufacturers, Distributors please note)

[pkj]

I agree with you 100%. The Joye eGo is an excellent pv, easy to use, and versatile. They can use cartridges, cartomizers, tanks, or drip. The eGo battery will adapt to them as their vaping needs evolve.

LOL - I suppose we do appear to be slaves to our equipment to people who don't understand vaping. We, on the other hand, look at the equipment, juices, technology, etc as a new gadget and a new challenge. LOL

Paula

 

[FantWriter]

Each person must take responsibility for their own decision. If they decide to vape, they have the responsibility to do a little research.

The problem is that if a person does even a little research, they're bound to run across government reports that say vaping is worse than smoking, so they won't take up vaping.

 

[FantWriter]

Interesting, I have an Atomizer from China which... to the best of my knowledge *should* work perfectly safe and secure with a certain battery. Why are the threads just slightly different?

I have one that I'm really scratching my head over. In a box of 5 identical cartos, one doesn't fit any of my batteries. I've examined the thread in every way I can, and it looks perfectly fine -- it has the proper bevel, no burrs or crosses, about 45% (more or less standard for this brand of carto), and the same number of turns as on all the others. I don't have the proper instruments any more, so I can't measure it, but by calipers I can tell that the minor is perfectly within specs.

But it just plain doesn't fit! If this had been the first one out of the box, or if I'd purchased it as a single, it would have caused a great deal of confusion.

 

[Codex Gigas]

Some of the Super-Mini Cigs (4081 cigalikes) work just fine, you can subscribe and get pre-filled carts for about a buck a day and the batteries initially last for at least long enough for two batteries to be enough.

After going through some of this stuff with bad attys, stockpiles of carts, smartcarts and tanks that I'll never use now that I know that "there's something better out there" - except it doesn't work, unless "it" is dripping or "the good brand" of cartomizers, I often think of just going back to the super-mini.

 

[Autumn]

The problem is that if a person does even a little research, they're bound to run across government reports that say vaping is worse than smoking, so they won't take up vaping.

I put off vaping for a couple of years for precisely that reason. Buncha BS, lol.

 

[willdupre]

I just started a week ago myself, a friend had purchased a white dragon setup at a flea market a while back and I thought, oh cool that's the kind of thing that I can actually replace my smoking habit with. but than the tech geek that I am said, I need to do a little research before I jump into this.

I started reading these forums and thought Wh@$@ SH%!, what a mishmash of diverging designs. I looked at the 510s, but it seemed pretty overwhelming as far as choices went, Sure I could figure out what the state of the art is currently and could have gone that route. but I ended up going with the K.I.S.S. philosophy, and went with V4L, simply because I didn't have to deal with what atomizer is right for what battery and should I use a tank or a cart. it was one retailer with one style of Ecig and a huge array of flavors. of course I have since started going to other companies for juice, and am playing with some of the other Cartomizer solutions now, but will likely stick with the system I have for the foreseeable future simply because of it's simplicity.

The model that V4L and some of the other companies have embraced of simplifying the process is probably going to win out with the masses in the long run. I have had several people since ask me about vaping, and most of them would be sympathetic with ElProximo's friend. Simplification will need to happen before this actually becomes a major market. and it will happen, its happening right now, a few companies are streamlining to something that is fairly idiot proof. and eventually the mods and complicated setups will be for the hotrodders of this market, the big money will be in the standard stuff. I told the people who asked me, to go with V4L. They asked is it the best technology? nope, Than is it the most versatile? nope, is it at least the cheapest? Nope, but it is one thing, its pretty much idiot proof.

 

[Scootypuff]

Just think, Autumn, two years worth of damage to your health and life because of that misinformation. It makes me sick (not in the way they would prefer to make me sick) and I'm not laughing.

 

[intriqken]

e-cigs will fail because big tobacco won't let them succeed and they have the money to crush them
It's a new industry,,,a new 'thing' and in it's infancy there are lots of problems and issues and it doesn't run smoothly like we would like it to and there are a LOT of scam artists and crap 'quick buck' companies out there and all of that is discouraging and frustrating,,,enough to make many remember how easy it was to 'light up',
Today it really isn't so easy just to 'light up' and once an e-cig is experienced, most people no longer like analogs,,,wait,,,strike that,,, can't STAND analogs,
The product can succeed even with the imperfections and scam artists...just like the automobile and the microwave oven and Crockpot did. The cream will rise to the top and the crap will drown,

If,,and only if,,,big tobacco sleeps and lets it succeed

 

[ElProximo]

I have one that I'm really scratching my head over. In a box of 5 identical cartos, one doesn't fit any of my batteries. I've examined the thread in every way I can, and it looks perfectly fine -- it has the proper bevel, no burrs or crosses, about 45% (more or less standard for this brand of carto), and the same number of turns as on all the others. I don't have the proper instruments any more, so I can't measure it, but by calipers I can tell that the minor is perfectly within specs.

But it just plain doesn't fit! If this had been the first one out of the box, or if I'd purchased it as a single, it would have caused a great deal of confusion.

Yes - I think I have the exact same thing. It's not even like a different thread on mine either. The nearly identical one but jusssssst different enough to be a showstopper.
But my guess is that if you go back to their website you find they do fit their 650 or 900 whatever batteries. It's maddening!

(I was going to buy one anyways but I just figured the atomizers would fit my Ego anyways.. great.. but no!)

They asked is it the best technology? nope, Than is it the most versatile? nope, is it at least the cheapest? Nope, but it is one thing, its pretty much idiot proof.

Good advice! I'm looking to buy a kit for a relative and while there are a few different models that I might like - I'm going for the most simple 'fool proof' one I can find. This is someone who 'may' switch to vaping if (as one poster put it) IF its the 'Keep It Simple Stupid KISS rule' but will lose interest if any complicated or time-consuming happens.

 

[jtpjc]

Last summer I made a video on this "problem:"

YouTube - electronic cigarette

 

[Rosa]

Last summer I made a video on this "problem:"

YouTube - electronic cigarette

BTW, I very much enjoy all your videos (especially those you made for the recent ECF contest). Thanks for making them

 

[toddos]

The problem is that if a person does even a little research, they're bound to run across government reports that say vaping is worse than smoking, so they won't take up vaping.

Hopefully they'll find ECF before they find the government BS and get the real truth.

 

[Ghost Song]

so vaping might fail because it is too expensive and complicated?

 

[Scootypuff]

Vaping only fails between the ears. The idea is out there, and it will not fail. One way or the other, the genie is out of the bottle.

 

[Rosa]

so vaping might fail because it is too expensive and complicated?

Yes. Unlike computers, entertainment systems, cars, cameras, phones, gaming systems..... which are all so simple to use, have totally compatible parts and refrain from using complicated jargon. Erm....

 

[BuzzKilla]

i'm sorry if i sound rude, but i hate it when people put the blame on someone/something else rather than themselves for having failed.

if you are going to try something new, you have to do your research. jumping into something and not putting in the least amount of effort into finding out what your getting yourself into is just plain stupid.

You dont need a tech degree of any sort to browse Google and YouTube. I spent about a week finding out what "e-sigs" were about. Started off with a Joye 510 kit , then evolved to an Joye Ego Setup. went with the Ego because the parts were compatible. i use the Ego-T when im out and drip when im just sitting around. works for me!

We are inhaling a vapor that comes out of a pocket sized machine... who in their right mind would even attempt such a thing if someone off the streets told them to.
"here smoke this! it is healthier than cigarettes.", "Uh... i dont think so."

I believe your "friend" is stuck on a habit, and took the easy way out, rather than admitting that they foolishly threw money at a product that was supposed to be a quick fix to quitting smoking.

 

[Autumn]

Just think, Autumn, two years worth of damage to your health and life because of that misinformation. It makes me sick (not in the way they would prefer to make me sick) and I'm not laughing.

While the articles most people see are those which the FDA has taken *some* truth (such as the discovery of diethylene glycol found in at least one sample) and exaggerated those truths to grotesque proportions, it would be interesting to see if people who have read these articles and end up with smoking related, catastrophic health problems could end up suing the FDA. But then, all the FDA needs is evidence of Johnny in the basement mixing up the medicine, slipping up on quality control, and selling it to the public for the media to give them the upper hand, potentially justifiably so.

 

[Scootypuff]

Are there that many "Johnny in the basement" types, or are you jumping at shadows? Hell, if there are, I might take to going into my own basement for my own easy-peasy DIY mix, then. It ain't exactly rocket science, folks, and if you really care about what is going into your bodies, I'll take vaping any day over smoking.

 

[Autumn]

Yes, there are that many "Johnny in the basement" types, and I ain't laughing.

 

[Scootypuff]

*shrug* Then by all means, either DIY or buy from a trusted vendor?

You seem to feel that I was expressing my dismay at you, but I was really appalled at the misinformation machine led by our government. Hence the lack of LOL. Yes, there could be more regulation insofar as our juice is concerned. Note the lack of any genuine concern for our health coming from above. Juice is easy to replicate in our own basements, cat hair and all. So...how much government involvement would make you comfortable? These are the same guys who are happy to keep cigarettes legal as long as the tax money rolls in.